I think we agree more than you realize...other than me supporting a clubs right to profit for the service....i am a realist as well, i agree you grow nice herb...just saying their is no reason your nice herb cant be markete at the same price of higher than the illgal bs...we both hate out of state people breaking the law, i support MI growers, just have nothing to complain about because its alot better than it was....
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Organic Cat
But you're taking an even more illegal route. Is all that supposed to be up for sale? Are you supposed to be growing that many plants? Let's not argue about the legality of it, because whatever you are doing in your basement is likely far less compliant than what the storefront owners are doing out in plain view.
"Extra" meds? Next time, don't grow so much if it's causing you so much grief.
Right, and the clubs are being given donated buildings, utilities, labor, capital, etc.
Compared to who? Growing top-grade herb is easy once you have the infrastructure in place. How difficult you make it is your own doing.
Compared to the other types of farmers who do much more work for much less pay, growing pot indoors is extremely easy.
You complain about your "special skills" being tough, but they're considered "skills" only because this topic is still largely in the dark. Once big money gets a hold of these techniques and passed onto folks with actual brains and IQ's above 65, they can be replicated mass-scale extremely easily.
There are botanists, agriculturalists, whatever-ists out there with an immense amount of skill, knowledge, equipment, and facilities on plants that can easily be applied to MJ, that will put your so-called skills to shame once the now-in-the-dark MJ topic is more legal and widespread.
So enjoy your $4.8k, $4k, $3.2k, or whatever you can get, while you can get it. Because sooner than later, there will be stockpiles of AAA-grade weed and the "mom and pop" indoor grower will easily be forced out of business through simple economics.
The short of it: you're just the one-eyed man among the blind. Once the two-eyed man gets a grip on this, you're screwed.
(And no, I don't like the direction it's headed. But it's the reality, and you must face it sooner or later, or be left in the dust.)
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Organic Cat
Want an example of how the two-eyed man does things?
Check out any one of the numerous "How It's Made" videos. Here's one on hot dogs, not the best example on producing "quality" but gives you an idea of how the modern world can easily adapt to produce products of high uniformity and (relative) quality at an extremely fast rate to accommodate to the world's demands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhwXPsTaRgc
While I'm at it, ignorant people here love to liken the wine and liquor industry to the MJ industry, so I'll go there, too.
Do you think that the makers/producers of the finest wines get pissed off and cry when the bargain-basement and dollar stores don't buy from them? Do Stolichnaya marketers & distributors go home crying when the ghetto street corner liquor store won't stock their Elite label?
Stop complaining and get what you can get while you can get it. You're not in position to change the economy, not just yet.
Check out any one of the numerous "How It's Made" videos. Here's one on hot dogs, not the best example on producing "quality" but gives you an idea of how the modern world can easily adapt to produce products of high uniformity and (relative) quality at an extremely fast rate to accommodate to the world's demands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhwXPsTaRgc
While I'm at it, ignorant people here love to liken the wine and liquor industry to the MJ industry, so I'll go there, too.
Do you think that the makers/producers of the finest wines get pissed off and cry when the bargain-basement and dollar stores don't buy from them? Do Stolichnaya marketers & distributors go home crying when the ghetto street corner liquor store won't stock their Elite label?
Stop complaining and get what you can get while you can get it. You're not in position to change the economy, not just yet.
organic cat, you have absolutely no dog in the fight. if you voted no on 19, that means you're a california resident. you have no knowledge of the michigan medical scene. go take your big business cannaindustry ideals somewhere else.
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Organic Cat
I'm not a CA resident, the signature is just to mock BHT. Plus, I have multiple felonies so I'm not sure if I'm eligible to vote (do felons lose all voting privileges, or only for the national presidential election?)
Doesn't matter anyways, as the view applies to the scene nation-wide.
Doesn't matter anyways, as the view applies to the scene nation-wide.
It depends on where you are-- Here is a chart of all the States Felon Voting Laws--
http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286
Sounds like an argument between a dispensary owner,a guy that wants to carry his luggage for him,and the growers.
And TMB I think what you have said on this subject is very relevent.We need to get together as caregivers and patients so that we can support what we need to support and to close down the places that are bringing out of state garbage into our state.Out of all the states Michigan at this time,with whats going on in the economy,needs to keep our dollars here in our local economy.If your a resident you know our economy is really taking a hit right now.
Its really simple.All we have to do is control where we spend our dollars.Make dispensarys accountable........or we can close their doors for them.
As for myself im rooting for Mom and Pop.Fuck big bussiness.
And TMB I think what you have said on this subject is very relevent.We need to get together as caregivers and patients so that we can support what we need to support and to close down the places that are bringing out of state garbage into our state.Out of all the states Michigan at this time,with whats going on in the economy,needs to keep our dollars here in our local economy.If your a resident you know our economy is really taking a hit right now.
Its really simple.All we have to do is control where we spend our dollars.Make dispensarys accountable........or we can close their doors for them.
As for myself im rooting for Mom and Pop.Fuck big bussiness.
I think everything you just brought up is relevent...what i have been pointing out is that we as pateints an caregivers can market our better gear to these shops...trust in the consumer to make a choice over cali gear...i support local growers...i think we all want that...out of state import is not ok for clubs to carry i agree, force them to stop by the market wanting your gear...nothing wrong with clubs carrying gear for a higher price than caregivers...its a service...the consumer controls the market trend...i simply think some people have been complaining and not offering any realevent thoughts...
well guys I do have some knowledge of the MI MMJ scene. and heres what I know: anyone here who is a marijuana grower and struggles to make a profit doing it, isnt much of a businessman. good grower maybe, businessman no. i can't help but laugh at people who say they can't make a profit growing pot. $1200/month for power? bro theres no way. your setup is highly, highly inefficient if it costs you that much power to grow 5 lbs.
i dont spend hundreds of dollars on nutes and bullshit supplements, and i dont have any kind of fancy expensive hydroponics system. i keep it dead simple with dirt, basic nutes, and an efficient lighting setup. i run high quality ballasts and bulbs cause i know spending a little extra for quality equipment pays off in extra harvest and less downtime/maintenance. even at .5g/w my profit greatly exceeds my expenditure.
I can sell top notch BAGSEED strains for $100/qtr all day long. and when people see my shit, it blows their minds because 99% of everything else out there is garbage. imagine if i had so-called "real" strains with all kinds of fancy colors and frosting to give it 10x more bag appeal, wonder what I could sell for then? so whats YOUR prob?
by the way, for the asshole who said I'm "greedy" for wanting to do this as my day job: what? just because you have no ambition means that *I* need to join the rank and file and get some shitty day job shoveling snow or working the cash register to fit in with YOUR idea of what's normal and proper? fuck you. i'm learning every aspect of this business so I can take it full scale commercial when legalization rolls around, and i'm gonna shamelessly make a huge profit doing it. enjoy your life.
i dont spend hundreds of dollars on nutes and bullshit supplements, and i dont have any kind of fancy expensive hydroponics system. i keep it dead simple with dirt, basic nutes, and an efficient lighting setup. i run high quality ballasts and bulbs cause i know spending a little extra for quality equipment pays off in extra harvest and less downtime/maintenance. even at .5g/w my profit greatly exceeds my expenditure.
I can sell top notch BAGSEED strains for $100/qtr all day long. and when people see my shit, it blows their minds because 99% of everything else out there is garbage. imagine if i had so-called "real" strains with all kinds of fancy colors and frosting to give it 10x more bag appeal, wonder what I could sell for then? so whats YOUR prob?
by the way, for the asshole who said I'm "greedy" for wanting to do this as my day job: what? just because you have no ambition means that *I* need to join the rank and file and get some shitty day job shoveling snow or working the cash register to fit in with YOUR idea of what's normal and proper? fuck you. i'm learning every aspect of this business so I can take it full scale commercial when legalization rolls around, and i'm gonna shamelessly make a huge profit doing it. enjoy your life.
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Organic Cat
That's right, you can make plenty of money paying nearly $0.50 per kwh (that's right, decimal is in the right place), paying some of the highest rent/real estate in the country, AND selling it for lower than anywhere in the country. It's called the California market.
So for you people to be crying about $0.06 - $0.08 kwh, dirt-cheap rent and higher market prices, it's almost unbearable to hear. Step your game up is all I can say to that.
Of course, there are some that fail miserably and have to grow under a huge number of lights to make a living, or resort to other fraudulent tactics such as low-income or "medical" utility/electrical rates just to survive, because they don't have enough game and skills to make it with normal pricing.
So for you people to be crying about $0.06 - $0.08 kwh, dirt-cheap rent and higher market prices, it's almost unbearable to hear. Step your game up is all I can say to that.
Of course, there are some that fail miserably and have to grow under a huge number of lights to make a living, or resort to other fraudulent tactics such as low-income or "medical" utility/electrical rates just to survive, because they don't have enough game and skills to make it with normal pricing.
TrueGangsta148
Member
LOL i think its hilarious to see everyone talking about the "shit" that goes for 200-250. Sorry guys, but reality will come that far east soon enough. Here in Mt, Cali imports have virtually halted. Local herb can be gotten on the black market for 32-36 all day thats pretty good. maybe not your "AAA" thats well cured etc but still great strains grown organicly and manicured well. Clubs WILL NOT pay more than 32 an lb. The retail price for patients is 250$ or less. yess some shops have lots of greenhouse/outdoor, but they also have indoor and its all the same price! If you have good/great weed, you can get 800-1000 a qp if you're LUCKY and if you want your $$ from a legit source. if your weed is not top level, its literally not even saleable. I know people who accumulate lb's before their shit is good enough to even get sold.
If you plan on pushing into this industry (here specifically) you better have a good business plan, solid experience to show (super dank nugs) and an ability to make profit at @2400 a lb or less.
If you plan on pushing into this industry (here specifically) you better have a good business plan, solid experience to show (super dank nugs) and an ability to make profit at @2400 a lb or less.
Everbody is allways talking about Cali when it comes to the MMJ scene like it is some type of model for the rest of us.I think we need to try and keep that mess in Cali out of our state.And that includes the dirt weed coming from/through there to our state.We need to do whatever we need to keep MMJ in Michigan what they refer to as a cottage industry.So the money made from it can actually help the people that needs the help here.The only reason that we are hearring so much about it now is the economy is fucked and the industry fuck heads want some of the money that we have been trading back and forth in our communitys.
And it was mentioned earlier in this thread something like lazy people that just want to sit back and grow is just lazy and need to go out and get a real job.No a person growing are not just lazy for living that lifestyle.They are what is called a farmer.We dont bitch at farmers who grow corn when the price of corn drops because some fucking blight or something.We dont say that they are just lazy and need to go out and get a real job.The lazy argument when it comes to MMJ is stupid.And if anybody honestly gives it a informed look and still comes to the conclusion that a MMJ grower is lazy and needs to go out and get a real job...they either have something at stake(such as they have money involved in MMJ becoming industrialized) or im sorry to say, cant think for themselves and are sheep.
And it was mentioned earlier in this thread something like lazy people that just want to sit back and grow is just lazy and need to go out and get a real job.No a person growing are not just lazy for living that lifestyle.They are what is called a farmer.We dont bitch at farmers who grow corn when the price of corn drops because some fucking blight or something.We dont say that they are just lazy and need to go out and get a real job.The lazy argument when it comes to MMJ is stupid.And if anybody honestly gives it a informed look and still comes to the conclusion that a MMJ grower is lazy and needs to go out and get a real job...they either have something at stake(such as they have money involved in MMJ becoming industrialized) or im sorry to say, cant think for themselves and are sheep.
Incognegro
Member
Seems like this got derailed from the original posts...esp mine... huh....someone always wants to toot his own horn..
i dont see a point to arguing about prices.
if ya cant hang find another career.
if the shops are selling shit at 500 then open a delivery service with some friends and charge 300 for your aaa and your golden.
i can tell you for a fact it might cost 5 grand for your first big grow say 4-5k in lights. but when you pull down 6 pounds and they sell for 35-3800 that 22k or so, if they go for 4500 thats 27k. a 15k profit or better for 3 months. after that maybe 1500 a round to keep the grow gowing or you could expand it by a light or two. and yould start seeing about 1500-2000 grand a week easy.
if ya cant hang find another career.
if the shops are selling shit at 500 then open a delivery service with some friends and charge 300 for your aaa and your golden.
i can tell you for a fact it might cost 5 grand for your first big grow say 4-5k in lights. but when you pull down 6 pounds and they sell for 35-3800 that 22k or so, if they go for 4500 thats 27k. a 15k profit or better for 3 months. after that maybe 1500 a round to keep the grow gowing or you could expand it by a light or two. and yould start seeing about 1500-2000 grand a week easy.
Organic Cat
New member
Only in the drug, gambling and prostitution business are folks unhappy with 50%+ returns.
Incognegro
Member
Lol, ain't that the truth... if you go back and reread some of the posts from the ones complaining about overhead and prices, seems to me folks are in it for the wrong reasons..
OR doing something wrong
Incognegro
Member
Also, one of the main reasons I actually asked, was because I saw that the "law" says one thing or number of plants, but some of the IC members say they have more plants... what to see what the difference of stipulations were.
