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British_Hempire said:
Oh yeah TW x Mexican Schwagg!! Nice!!!
So you grow Hermies and Mexican schwagg hybrids?
God damn this guy is the most honest dude on the forum! Im fucking astonished!
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Oh yeah TW x Mexican Schwagg!! Nice!!!
So you grow Hermies and Mexican schwagg hybrids?
God damn this guy is the most honest dude on the forum! Im fucking astonished!
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Yes I grow seeds found in Mexican 'schwag'.
Yes I sometimes grow hermies, unintentionally of course, they are par for the course with many landrace sativas.
Yes I am honest, lying helps no-one, least of all myself.
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Yes I sometimes grow hermies, unintentionally of course, they are par for the course with many landrace sativas.
Yes I am honest, lying helps no-one, least of all myself.
Next....
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Well, the few nanners on El Yuc have all dried up and died and she hasn't made anymore, there are less than a dozen on the whole plant, so nothing to worry about.
I take the point about environment, but I am happy my environment is setup just right as I never have hermies with proven strains and the only hermies I do have are from things like Mexican bagseed. The SSSDH was from feminised seeds so genetically equivalent to f2s, other plants next to her had no nanners so it was definitely genetics.
Anyways, the 4 Trainwreck x Mexican seedlings are 10 days old and there are two distinct types - a short, thin leafed type with purple stems and a tall, broad-leafed type with green stems. It's early days, but I reckon the tall, broad-leafed ones are the Mexican pheno.
I take the point about environment, but I am happy my environment is setup just right as I never have hermies with proven strains and the only hermies I do have are from things like Mexican bagseed. The SSSDH was from feminised seeds so genetically equivalent to f2s, other plants next to her had no nanners so it was definitely genetics.
Anyways, the 4 Trainwreck x Mexican seedlings are 10 days old and there are two distinct types - a short, thin leafed type with purple stems and a tall, broad-leafed type with green stems. It's early days, but I reckon the tall, broad-leafed ones are the Mexican pheno.
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El Yucateca is now at 50 days of 12/12 and she looks exactly the same as she did at this point last run. Resin is starting to build up and the buds have swelled somewhat and formed colas now. From here on in those buds will just get bigger and bigger.
There are a handful of male nanners, they shrivel and die after a few days and I don't think they are releasing any pollen. I have slightly overfed her in the last few days as she has got a waxy shine to her tiopmost leaves and they have ever so slightly clawed. It's only very slight but I will back down my organic mix from ec 2.0 to ec 1.9.
There are a handful of male nanners, they shrivel and die after a few days and I don't think they are releasing any pollen. I have slightly overfed her in the last few days as she has got a waxy shine to her tiopmost leaves and they have ever so slightly clawed. It's only very slight but I will back down my organic mix from ec 2.0 to ec 1.9.
Here's my El Yucateca at 35 days, and very different she looks too. Sorry for the lousy pics, but I wanted them out of the HPS to be certain on colors.
I don't know why, but many of the pistils are turning orange/red, and a lot of the top calyxes have closed up, as though finished. Now as this plant is only just beginning to flower, I don't know what's going on.
She's been fed mild veg nutes (and all the trimmings throughout) for two weeks, then full veg nutes, and then a week of veg/flower mixed. Now she's just on flower nutes, so I would expect to see some serious bud formation beginning now. But it's not - or it's very slow. Also the plant structure doesn't look the same anymore. What is going on...?
I don't know why, but many of the pistils are turning orange/red, and a lot of the top calyxes have closed up, as though finished. Now as this plant is only just beginning to flower, I don't know what's going on.
She's been fed mild veg nutes (and all the trimmings throughout) for two weeks, then full veg nutes, and then a week of veg/flower mixed. Now she's just on flower nutes, so I would expect to see some serious bud formation beginning now. But it's not - or it's very slow. Also the plant structure doesn't look the same anymore. What is going on...?
BTW, just for sanity's sake, I see 3.47 pm as the timestamp of the last post - it's actually 18.35 pm, meaning the time delay between the forum and reality is actually changing daily now. I've been posting in 'Websites Support' on this, but no-one seems to be home...
Any ideas? Can you let me know what timestamp you see on the post above?
Any ideas? Can you let me know what timestamp you see on the post above?
07:50?
Great thread BH!
Great thread BH!
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Cheers FJ.
EM's El Yuc cut has really got me puzzled. We have determined that it is definitely an El Yuc cut, there can not have been a mixup of clones. I saw EM's El Yuc cut in the flesh a couple of weeks ago, examined it carefully at length and it was definitely El Yuc.
both times I have grown El Yuc has been in coco feeding ec 1.8-1.9 ph 5.5-5.9 and both times she looks the same. EM's plant looks totally different, we have very similar grow setups and our temps, humidity and airflow are pretty much the same, EM has slightly higher light intensity. The only other difference is EM is growing in soil.
So why I that plant growing so differently? Can it be because it is growing in soil rather than coco? It's a mystery to me and I'd love to know what lies at the root cause.
EM's El Yuc cut has really got me puzzled. We have determined that it is definitely an El Yuc cut, there can not have been a mixup of clones. I saw EM's El Yuc cut in the flesh a couple of weeks ago, examined it carefully at length and it was definitely El Yuc.
both times I have grown El Yuc has been in coco feeding ec 1.8-1.9 ph 5.5-5.9 and both times she looks the same. EM's plant looks totally different, we have very similar grow setups and our temps, humidity and airflow are pretty much the same, EM has slightly higher light intensity. The only other difference is EM is growing in soil.
So why I that plant growing so differently? Can it be because it is growing in soil rather than coco? It's a mystery to me and I'd love to know what lies at the root cause.
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I'm sad to say El Yucateca has suddenly showed some worrying symptoms, in the last 2 days she has suddenly gotten clased and burnt leaves, looks to me like overfert. A bit strange as she has been getting the same feeding every day for weeks. She is at 56 days - exactly 8 weeks.
I took her out of the cab and flushed her with 5 litres of water. I checked the ec of the runoff after 2 litres had passed through and it was only ec 2.0m after all 5 litres has flushed through the pot the ec was only 1.6 so there is no salt buildup in the medium. She is say in the runoff in the tray and I colelct this runoff every few days. I checked the ec when I last colelcted it and it was a worryign 3.6, so perhaps she is drinking the runoff and that is why she has burned, although why she should suddenly do this in the last 2 days is beyond me. I've sat her on an upterned planpot saucer to raise her up an inch so she isn't sat directly in the runoff anymore, hopefully the flush will mean she carries on flowerign nicely.
She is getting pretty sticky to the touch now and the colas are startign to take on a good size. From now on she will really pack on the buds.
I decided to trim off all the scrappy, straggly lower growth as it's not gonna produce anything worthwhile and will divert energy from the main buds. I should have done this a few weeks back really. She looks quite strange now and is sorta SCROGGed as there ios an array of horizontal training wires between the poles that the branches are trained along.
As you can see from the size of some of the branches and the pile of green matter I removed, it was a pretty drastic prune, but it will do her good!
I took her out of the cab and flushed her with 5 litres of water. I checked the ec of the runoff after 2 litres had passed through and it was only ec 2.0m after all 5 litres has flushed through the pot the ec was only 1.6 so there is no salt buildup in the medium. She is say in the runoff in the tray and I colelct this runoff every few days. I checked the ec when I last colelcted it and it was a worryign 3.6, so perhaps she is drinking the runoff and that is why she has burned, although why she should suddenly do this in the last 2 days is beyond me. I've sat her on an upterned planpot saucer to raise her up an inch so she isn't sat directly in the runoff anymore, hopefully the flush will mean she carries on flowerign nicely.
She is getting pretty sticky to the touch now and the colas are startign to take on a good size. From now on she will really pack on the buds.
I decided to trim off all the scrappy, straggly lower growth as it's not gonna produce anything worthwhile and will divert energy from the main buds. I should have done this a few weeks back really. She looks quite strange now and is sorta SCROGGed as there ios an array of horizontal training wires between the poles that the branches are trained along.
As you can see from the size of some of the branches and the pile of green matter I removed, it was a pretty drastic prune, but it will do her good!
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Here's some pics of El Yucateca at 65 days, the colas are really quite large now and most of the calyxes have swollen and have orange hairs, I checked the triches and there are already quite a few amber ones so I reckon she will be harvested around 75 days which surpises me as I expected her to go over 80.
So what happened here...?
So what happened here...?
Well this is my El Yucateca, abandoned at just over seven weeks. I have no idea at all what happened to this plant - it grew great for a month, went into flower fine...and then finished. It didn't grow a single cola, just small, hard buds all over the plant - smaller than the OG Kush! I fed veg nutes after a week, and then switched to flower nutes around four weeks in - after that, nothing happened at all! The lower leaves look identical to British Hempire's specimen, but the top half of the plant regressed into some kind of weird super-indica expression.
The buds are fairly fresh, and so it's hardly qualified, but there's a faint woodsy, spicy smell, and not much else. Smoke wise, ironically, it's not as speedy as the full-blown item, but it does work, and is fairly strong, but nothing special really. How this has happened has mystified both of us - I've never seen one phenotype grow so differently. If all my other plants were acting weird, I'd think there was something systemic in my cabinet, but everything else is great. Any ideas anyone...?
So what happened here...?
Well this is my El Yucateca, abandoned at just over seven weeks. I have no idea at all what happened to this plant - it grew great for a month, went into flower fine...and then finished. It didn't grow a single cola, just small, hard buds all over the plant - smaller than the OG Kush! I fed veg nutes after a week, and then switched to flower nutes around four weeks in - after that, nothing happened at all! The lower leaves look identical to British Hempire's specimen, but the top half of the plant regressed into some kind of weird super-indica expression.
The buds are fairly fresh, and so it's hardly qualified, but there's a faint woodsy, spicy smell, and not much else. Smoke wise, ironically, it's not as speedy as the full-blown item, but it does work, and is fairly strong, but nothing special really. How this has happened has mystified both of us - I've never seen one phenotype grow so differently. If all my other plants were acting weird, I'd think there was something systemic in my cabinet, but everything else is great. Any ideas anyone...?
I should point out that it tastes better (or stronger) than it smells, and is quite pleasant in a weird sort of way. But none of the menthol/minty taste of BH's last specimen - more creamy/woody, if that makes sense...? 
EM- Maybe too many nutes? But you seem to know how to handle sativas , so I don't know.
This was from a cutting? Maybe you could try again with practically no nutes, like just enough to keep off deficiencies. I know a lot of mexi's are super sensitive to nutes and will focus production on other things than flowers if overfed. Like stems especially, haha
This was from a cutting? Maybe you could try again with practically no nutes, like just enough to keep off deficiencies. I know a lot of mexi's are super sensitive to nutes and will focus production on other things than flowers if overfed. Like stems especially, haha
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Ganico said:
I know this from exp as well.. My Oaxacan beans are very sensitive.. Almost like they thrive when they are starved.. kinda wierd that some of my plants show indica signs at first then flower really sativa leaves.. Looks like maybe it didnt finish.. I put mine in 10/14 to make sure they stay in flower cause thye like to go back to veg.. wierd plants thats for sure.
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Hey British, thanks for sharing this awesome grow man. Having grown up a stone's throw from Mexico I believe it should be "La Yucateca" since the plants are girls and more importantly because "Yucateca" is feminine. If you prefer "El" go with "El Yucateco."
Keep up the nice grow!
Keep up the nice grow!
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Hi ripOG, Yup, there was a mistake in the title of the thread, if you skip back a couple of pages, we discuss the correct naming. Yucateca is correct - feminine form, thanks for the tip, always happy to get tips from folks!
EM's Yucateca, hmmm, have no idea what has happened to her. It is defintely the same cut, I delivered it personally. I then got to see her in veg and there was no mistaking it was El Yuc. I saw her a couple of weeks ago and she looked like some kind of Kush with very dense, small nuggets with large calyxes. The bud leaves are different, they are much paler green and have purple veins down the centre.
Whatever the reason for the difference, I really don't think it's overfeeding. The plant when I saw it was the picture of health, just like all EM's other plants. The tips of the leaves were turning down ever so little, and one tip was slightly burnt, so the plant was definitely well fed but not overfed, just right I'd say from examining the plant, it was 100% healthy, just looked very strange, some purpling on the tips of the calyxes and the leaf veins but nowehre else such as the stems which would indicate underfeeding.
This particular Mexican loves to eat, both runs I've given her ec 1.8/1.9 at ph 5.5 and she thrived. At 7 weeks mine showed a little clawing and yellowing of her leaves, but minor and not worth worrying about, she has done this both runs. It seems to me she stops eating so heavily at this point and doesn't need so much nitrogen anymore as all she will do from then until harvest is grow more and more calyxes as her colas get fatter and fatter.
I should also add that EM and I have similar grow setups, our temps and humidity being virtually identical and having similar light intensities. I used Canna Coco A+B nutes, EM used Canna Terra A+B - the only difference is that the Coco stuff has added cal-mag and a bit more humic + fulvic acids. EM grew his in soil, mine was in coco.
Why the taste is different too, I have no idea. The fresh El Yuc buds I grew had a refreshing taste that was mostly menthol with a hint of mint. After 30-4 weeks curing, this changed to mostly spearmint with hnts of menthol, never tasted anything remotely spicy or woody, and EM is very good at determining smells and tastes.
The one thing I can suggest is the soil, perhaps it is strong in nitrogen and the veg ferts EM fed early on were also strong in nitrogen, and she has had too much N but not enough P and K. I started giving mine extra P and K after only 5 days of flowering, first run by using PK13-14 and second run by using organic bat guano and chicken manure. Perhaps this is a plant that needs a lot of P and K to prodce big flowers and if she gets a lot of N she will grow more like an indica?
I would dearly love to know what has happened here, it's bizarre and intriguing!
EM's Yucateca, hmmm, have no idea what has happened to her. It is defintely the same cut, I delivered it personally. I then got to see her in veg and there was no mistaking it was El Yuc. I saw her a couple of weeks ago and she looked like some kind of Kush with very dense, small nuggets with large calyxes. The bud leaves are different, they are much paler green and have purple veins down the centre.
Whatever the reason for the difference, I really don't think it's overfeeding. The plant when I saw it was the picture of health, just like all EM's other plants. The tips of the leaves were turning down ever so little, and one tip was slightly burnt, so the plant was definitely well fed but not overfed, just right I'd say from examining the plant, it was 100% healthy, just looked very strange, some purpling on the tips of the calyxes and the leaf veins but nowehre else such as the stems which would indicate underfeeding.
This particular Mexican loves to eat, both runs I've given her ec 1.8/1.9 at ph 5.5 and she thrived. At 7 weeks mine showed a little clawing and yellowing of her leaves, but minor and not worth worrying about, she has done this both runs. It seems to me she stops eating so heavily at this point and doesn't need so much nitrogen anymore as all she will do from then until harvest is grow more and more calyxes as her colas get fatter and fatter.
I should also add that EM and I have similar grow setups, our temps and humidity being virtually identical and having similar light intensities. I used Canna Coco A+B nutes, EM used Canna Terra A+B - the only difference is that the Coco stuff has added cal-mag and a bit more humic + fulvic acids. EM grew his in soil, mine was in coco.
Why the taste is different too, I have no idea. The fresh El Yuc buds I grew had a refreshing taste that was mostly menthol with a hint of mint. After 30-4 weeks curing, this changed to mostly spearmint with hnts of menthol, never tasted anything remotely spicy or woody, and EM is very good at determining smells and tastes.
The one thing I can suggest is the soil, perhaps it is strong in nitrogen and the veg ferts EM fed early on were also strong in nitrogen, and she has had too much N but not enough P and K. I started giving mine extra P and K after only 5 days of flowering, first run by using PK13-14 and second run by using organic bat guano and chicken manure. Perhaps this is a plant that needs a lot of P and K to prodce big flowers and if she gets a lot of N she will grow more like an indica?
I would dearly love to know what has happened here, it's bizarre and intriguing!
Funnily enough, there is a little menthol/mint creeping into the smell now, but it's very mild. Still, I had a smoke of it for breakfast this morning, and it was quite powerful really - just wish it had more taste. And that I'd got more - at 12g, it won't last long - not at my rates of consumption anyway...
One other point that may be pertinent is that many buds had a twisted 'sideways' leaf sprouting out near the top - this suggests to me that something weird was going on, as I usually only see this on revegging clones, and usually the first leaves to sprout, but I've never seen it on buds before.
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British_Hempire said:
that might be it.. .. I have had Equitorial sativas turn into reveg with to much nitrogen late in flower.. EM says that there was new growth on the tops of buds. .. THis is very interesting thread.. Im baffled..
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Those sideways leaves weren't present when I saw the plant in the flesh so they grew in the last 2 weeks. Interesting, like you ay, that's something you only normally see on revegging plants.
This is probably stating the obvious, but I am pretty sure the way mine is, with big colas and lots of foxtailed lime green buds is the way it is supposed to express and the way EM's has grown is some wierd, mutated, messed-up expression. Perhaps this is my secret revenge - EM grew the OG Kush cut I gave him sooo much better than I did so I went and gave him a cut that only I can grow! lol
I'm totally in the dark about what has happened to that cut though and why it has happened. Given the lack of differences betwen our two grow setups, the only factors that I can possibly think of are the soil and the differences in N-P-K ratios.
EM did say that my Kentish Creme cut looked like the most sativa of the 4 expressions he has seen so far, perhaps my method of adding extra P and K as soon as the first pistils appear really does make the plants express their sativa traits more fully. I've mostly grown only sativas for the last year or two so perhaps I've just tailored everything to sativas?
Here's my KC last week, very thin leaves, very tall and lanky, very sativa...
(You can also see the top of one of the KC branches in the first two shots of El Yuc I posted in post #110).
This is probably stating the obvious, but I am pretty sure the way mine is, with big colas and lots of foxtailed lime green buds is the way it is supposed to express and the way EM's has grown is some wierd, mutated, messed-up expression. Perhaps this is my secret revenge - EM grew the OG Kush cut I gave him sooo much better than I did so I went and gave him a cut that only I can grow! lol
I'm totally in the dark about what has happened to that cut though and why it has happened. Given the lack of differences betwen our two grow setups, the only factors that I can possibly think of are the soil and the differences in N-P-K ratios.
EM did say that my Kentish Creme cut looked like the most sativa of the 4 expressions he has seen so far, perhaps my method of adding extra P and K as soon as the first pistils appear really does make the plants express their sativa traits more fully. I've mostly grown only sativas for the last year or two so perhaps I've just tailored everything to sativas?
Here's my KC last week, very thin leaves, very tall and lanky, very sativa...
(You can also see the top of one of the KC branches in the first two shots of El Yuc I posted in post #110).
