And ive personally seen Ed Rosenthol go to Rite Aid and buy off the counter bug bombs for a house, fog a 12 light grow room and sell the bud to patients a week later...
I dont take anything he has to say seriously...
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Med-Man Tables By Krunchbubble...
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And ive personally seen Ed Rosenthol go to Rite Aid and buy off the counter bug bombs for a house, fog a 12 light grow room and sell the bud to patients a week later...
I dont take anything he has to say seriously...
Actually cannabis doesn't need a Dark-Rest period Med-Man. (Too much darkness indoors kills cannabis plants and increases the potential for bud rot.)
'Regular' cannabis requires a hormone named 'florin' to be suppressed to promote differentiation of cells into flowering, this is done with they're in-built day clock.
Research teams in Germany and the UK have independently identified Florigen, 'they say', it is the protein produced by a gene called Flowering locus T, or FT.
Above link: http://www.newscientist.com/article...nal-that-triggers-flowering.html#.VH5AwL4jhSU
One of these genes, CONSTANS, is controlled by the circadian clock, so that the abundance of its mRNA rises around 12 hours after dawn and stays high through the night. This characteristic expression pattern causes the gene to be expressed when the plant is exposed to light under long days, but under short days it is only expressed in the dark. Therefore, if CONSTANS protein somehow triggers flowering only when plants are exposed to light, then this would explain how it activates flowering under long and not short days.
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research have now demonstrated a major route through which light regulates CONSTANS protein. Specific plant proteins that detect blue and far-red light, the photoreceptors cryptochrome and phytochrome A, are required to activate CONSTANS. When exposed to these wavelengths of light at the end of a long day, the photoreceptors stabilise the CONSTANS protein in the nucleus, allowing it to activate the expression of other genes that trigger flowering. However, in darkness these photoreceptors are not activated, and CONSTANS protein is attached to a small protein called ubiquitin, which marks it for degradation by the proteasome. Thus in short days, although CONSTANS mRNA is present, the protein is absent. The expression of CONSTANS mRNA therefore represents a light sensitive rhythm, similar to that proposed by Bünning, which triggers flowering only under long days, when the plant is exposed to light more than 12 hours after dawn.
Above text from This Link: http://www.mpg.de/494924/pressRelease20040210
Most plants either flower from a reduced Photoperiod or from Vernalization.
Since we all know cannabis flowering is triggered from Light reduction then we can forget about Vernalization, or can we?
Once significantly into flowering regular cannabis continue's to do so without the dark period unequivocally if stress tested against Re-Generation or Differentiation back into the Vegetative state.
This exception to the rule is 'Autoflower's which you can't keep vegetative. In essence the day clock in 'Auto's is ticking from germination. (Vernalization of sorts)
(This text below is Edd-Rosenthals )
One way in which plants are categorized is by the way they gather and handle carbon dioxide. Cannabis is a C3 plant. It uses the CO2 it gathers during the light period, when it is photosynthesizing. Plants designated C4 also gather CO2 during the dark period for use during the light period.
Many C3 plants, including cannabis, do not need a rest period. They continue to photosynthesize as long as they are receiving light.
The plant's photosynthetic rate determines its growth rate because the sugars are used by the plant to build tissue and for energy. Cannabis under continuous light will grow 33% faster than the same plants on an 18-6 light regime.
This evidence in Edd's text, fits with my previous post a while back when I stated that you can forget giving them the dark period and just keep the scheduled dark cycle when at optimum production weeks 3-4-5 and not mess up the photoperiod.
I'm not asking you to take what Edd say's seriously krunchbubble but trust the fact that excessive dark periods will cause 'certain' plants to shut down and DIE.
Actually cannabis doesn't need a Dark-Rest period Med-Man. (Too much darkness indoors kills cannabis plants and increases the potential for bud rot.)
'Regular' cannabis requires a hormone named 'florin' to be suppressed to promote differentiation of cells into flowering, this is done with they're in-built day clock.
Research teams in Germany and the UK have independently identified Florigen, 'they say', it is the protein produced by a gene called Flowering locus T, or FT.
Above link: http://www.newscientist.com/article...nal-that-triggers-flowering.html#.VH5AwL4jhSU
One of these genes, CONSTANS, is controlled by the circadian clock, so that the abundance of its mRNA rises around 12 hours after dawn and stays high through the night. This characteristic expression pattern causes the gene to be expressed when the plant is exposed to light under long days, but under short days it is only expressed in the dark. Therefore, if CONSTANS protein somehow triggers flowering only when plants are exposed to light, then this would explain how it activates flowering under long and not short days.
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research have now demonstrated a major route through which light regulates CONSTANS protein. Specific plant proteins that detect blue and far-red light, the photoreceptors cryptochrome and phytochrome A, are required to activate CONSTANS. When exposed to these wavelengths of light at the end of a long day, the photoreceptors stabilise the CONSTANS protein in the nucleus, allowing it to activate the expression of other genes that trigger flowering. However, in darkness these photoreceptors are not activated, and CONSTANS protein is attached to a small protein called ubiquitin, which marks it for degradation by the proteasome. Thus in short days, although CONSTANS mRNA is present, the protein is absent. The expression of CONSTANS mRNA therefore represents a light sensitive rhythm, similar to that proposed by Bünning, which triggers flowering only under long days, when the plant is exposed to light more than 12 hours after dawn.
Above text from This Link: http://www.mpg.de/494924/pressRelease20040210
Most plants either flower from a reduced Photoperiod or from Vernalization.
Since we all know cannabis flowering is triggered from Light reduction then we can forget about Vernalization, or can we?
Once significantly into flowering regular cannabis continue's to do so without the dark period unequivocally if stress tested against Re-Generation or Differentiation back int the Vegetative state.
This exception to the rule is 'Autoflower's which you can't keep vegetative. In essence the day clock in 'Auto's is ticking from germination. (Vernalization of sorts)
(This text below is Edd-Rosenthals )
One way in which plants are categorized is by the way they gather and handle carbon dioxide. Cannabis is a C3 plant. It uses the CO2 it gathers during the light period, when it is photosynthesizing. Plants designated C4 also gather CO2 during the dark period for use during the light period.
Many C3 plants, including cannabis, do not need a rest period. They continue to photosynthesize as long as they are receiving light.
The plant's photosynthetic rate determines its growth rate because the sugars are used by the plant to build tissue and for energy. Cannabis under continuous light will grow 33% faster than the same plants on an 18-6 light regime.
This evidence in Edd's text, fits with my previous post a while back when I stated that you can forget giving them the dark period and just keep the scheduled dark cycle when at optimum production weeks 3-4-5 and not mess up the photoperiod.
I not asking you to take what Edd say's seriously krunchbubble but trust the fact that excessive dark periods will cause 'certain' plants to shut down and DIE.
And im about to put another room into 72 hours darkness to jump start flowering, pics to come...
Miraculous Meds
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KB, u still use bleach for a dead res? If so what strength are u using?
I'm not saying it isn't working for you. I just hope this one turns out better than the last effort Krunchbubble.
Some cannabis it may speed up where as others with different gene proteins it will have the negative effect.
Yes, but now they have this concentrated bleach. Using a 1/2 capfull in 100gallons right now...
I'm not saying it isn't working for you. I just hope this one turns out better than the last effort Krunchbubble.
Thats an understatement! These Med-Man tables has caused me much grief and hate in my life recently. Making me think I have not a clue what im doing!
Wow Dave, way to go way off tangent from misunderstanding a four word post. He said plants grow at night, not plants need a night period. I'ma be a real dick here and ask, did you write any of that or is everything a direct copy and paste?
I'll say it again (and so do the articles you quote), florigen (not florin, this ain't Suriname) is a protein chain.
Crap, now I'm part of the peanut gallery I was mocking.
I'll say it again (and so do the articles you quote), florigen (not florin, this ain't Suriname) is a protein chain.
Crap, now I'm part of the peanut gallery I was mocking.
And thats ALL she wrote!!!
Med Man tables defeated me. I thought I could grow in any hydro system, but this one eludes me. I used everything to combat it, nothing worked...
The GDP table did great until last night when a plant went limp. I furiously destroyed the plants, I was pissed...
The Med Man tables gave me a whole new fresh breath in growing, it made me excited to grow again . Ive been doing it so long, its boring as fuck....
But these tables brought life back! It made me see things in a whole new way! Im excited to go into my grow rooms again! And for that, I THANK YOU Med-Man...
Med Man tables defeated me. I thought I could grow in any hydro system, but this one eludes me. I used everything to combat it, nothing worked...
The GDP table did great until last night when a plant went limp. I furiously destroyed the plants, I was pissed...
The Med Man tables gave me a whole new fresh breath in growing, it made me excited to grow again . Ive been doing it so long, its boring as fuck....
But these tables brought life back! It made me see things in a whole new way! Im excited to go into my grow rooms again! And for that, I THANK YOU Med-Man...
I have the upmost respect for you showing the tables and evidence Krunchbubble, you can certainly grow cannabis, I have seen the pictures of many bountiful plants.
Perhaps this system is a bit neither here or there, however, I believe there are factors at play that can't be foreseen without previous testing on plants and new systems.
These factors have nothing to do within negligence on your behalf.
The system can obviously grow a plant or the table you kept would have died, had it not been suitable gene-wise for a dark period.
The tables would have given me enough grief too. I would have broken one probably and put some pots in the bedroom
I'm not trying to make you think you ain't got a clue, neither am I taking the piss.
I am trying to salvage something from a bad situation and, offer beginners on the forums some insight into plant genomes.
Too many newbies jumping on what they don't understand fully and spurt out hate for the Med-Man tables, I just personally think they are half way here or there, and don't give the best support for a top drip system. Certanly not worthy of what Med-Man claims!
Well Done.
Would you recommend trying the tables Krunchbubble?
Perhaps this system is a bit neither here or there, however, I believe there are factors at play that can't be foreseen without previous testing on plants and new systems.
These factors have nothing to do within negligence on your behalf.
The system can obviously grow a plant or the table you kept would have died, had it not been suitable gene-wise for a dark period.
The tables would have given me enough grief too. I would have broken one probably and put some pots in the bedroom
I'm not trying to make you think you ain't got a clue, neither am I taking the piss.
I am trying to salvage something from a bad situation and, offer beginners on the forums some insight into plant genomes.
Too many newbies jumping on what they don't understand fully and spurt out hate for the Med-Man tables, I just personally think they are half way here or there, and don't give the best support for a top drip system. Certanly not worthy of what Med-Man claims!
Well Done.
Would you recommend trying the tables Krunchbubble?
Well well now who's misunderstanding 4 words..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLYOBi5gaVs&list=PLArlpK1gjoY0j2zKSNxZKyQ5GEcvvbu_d
Cannabis plants grow in the day actually. They are trophic organisms.
So in your own words Mikell it is you to misinterpret my response. You also didn't understand what Med-Man said about as much as he didn't when he wrote it.
Did you write that all yourself?
As far as I am aware cannabis grows under a 24hour illuminated growth period. So, I think we should never ever ever listen to Med-Mans bullshit nonsense again, I will also include you on that list.
(The cursor when held over italic words will help explain things like 'proteins' to you if you bother to read, clearly I wrote it because if there is a spelling mistake in there it wasn't copy 'n' pasted.)
damn krunch, bigups once again on your difficult learning experience.... hope next round(s) go better for you.... I will be lurking around for your new thread/grow show.
Already filling the room back up...
DHN The White and Chem 4...
Using 7 gallon smart pots filled with VERMIFIRE. I love Vermifire and dont see many people using it. Its Vermicrop soil with added nutrients and mychos. Cant plant seedlings or clones into it or it will burn, has to be established plants...
Havent used Vermifire indoors. But my outdoor crop did very well in it, 4 plants = 7 lbs...
DHN The White and Chem 4...
Using 7 gallon smart pots filled with VERMIFIRE. I love Vermifire and dont see many people using it. Its Vermicrop soil with added nutrients and mychos. Cant plant seedlings or clones into it or it will burn, has to be established plants...
Havent used Vermifire indoors. But my outdoor crop did very well in it, 4 plants = 7 lbs...
Actually plants do grow at night for some that don't believe ...
biologists at the University of California, San Diego report their discovery of a protein complex they call the "evening complex" that regulates the rhythmic growth of plants during the night. More importantly, the biologists show how this protein complex is intricately coordinated through the biological clock with the genes that promote stem elongation in a way that could enable plant breeders to engineer new varieties of crops that grow faster, produce greater yields of food or generate more biomass per acre of land for conversion into biofuels.
"This discovery gives us a molecular understanding of how the biological clock is regulating cyclic growth in plants," said Steve Kay, dean of UC San Diego's Division of Biological Sciences, who headed the research effort. "And it instantly gives us a handle on how we might manipulate and control plant yield or biomass deposition."
While most people assume that plants grow at a slow and steady rate throughout the day and night, Charles Darwin and others more than a century ago observed that they actually grow in spurts late at night, with plant stems elongating fastest in the hours just before dawn.
"Plants actually grow rhythmically," said Kay. "Some plants, like sorghum, have the ability to elongate a centimeter or more each night."
The UCSD biologists initially focused their attention on three genes from a tiny mustard plant called Arabidopsis, which is used by geneticists as a laboratory model for plants. When they are disabled by mutations, these three genes disrupt the plant's biological clock and promote both stem elongation and early flowering.
"These three genes have been of intense interest because the loss of function in each one of them kills the biological clock, causes a long hypocotyl, or juvenile stem, and tends to cause early flowering," said Kay. "We thought that maybe their function was related. So this investigation was basically started to figure out what these three genes do."
biologists at the University of California, San Diego report their discovery of a protein complex they call the "evening complex" that regulates the rhythmic growth of plants during the night. More importantly, the biologists show how this protein complex is intricately coordinated through the biological clock with the genes that promote stem elongation in a way that could enable plant breeders to engineer new varieties of crops that grow faster, produce greater yields of food or generate more biomass per acre of land for conversion into biofuels.
"This discovery gives us a molecular understanding of how the biological clock is regulating cyclic growth in plants," said Steve Kay, dean of UC San Diego's Division of Biological Sciences, who headed the research effort. "And it instantly gives us a handle on how we might manipulate and control plant yield or biomass deposition."
While most people assume that plants grow at a slow and steady rate throughout the day and night, Charles Darwin and others more than a century ago observed that they actually grow in spurts late at night, with plant stems elongating fastest in the hours just before dawn.
"Plants actually grow rhythmically," said Kay. "Some plants, like sorghum, have the ability to elongate a centimeter or more each night."
The UCSD biologists initially focused their attention on three genes from a tiny mustard plant called Arabidopsis, which is used by geneticists as a laboratory model for plants. When they are disabled by mutations, these three genes disrupt the plant's biological clock and promote both stem elongation and early flowering.
"These three genes have been of intense interest because the loss of function in each one of them kills the biological clock, causes a long hypocotyl, or juvenile stem, and tends to cause early flowering," said Kay. "We thought that maybe their function was related. So this investigation was basically started to figure out what these three genes do."
"What we show in our paper is that the evening complex binds to the promoters of PIF4 and PIF5 and, at the end of the day and through the early part of the night, prevents the plants from growing," said Kay. "And when the levels of the evening complex begin to drop, PIF4 and PIF5 are expressed and drive plant expression programs that support stem elongation, and the brakes on plant growth are taken off."
In this new model of plant growth developed by the scientists, PIF4 and PIF5 control the gas pedal that activates plants to grow, while the three genes that produce the evening complex act as the brakes and work with the plant's biological clock to permit the most rapid growth in the late evening and early morning hours.
"Nobody knew how this cyclic regulation of plant growth worked on a molecular level, but this must be one of the major mechanisms," said Kay. "This really gives us a molecular understanding of how the biological clock is regulating cyclic growth in plants."
In this new model of plant growth developed by the scientists, PIF4 and PIF5 control the gas pedal that activates plants to grow, while the three genes that produce the evening complex act as the brakes and work with the plant's biological clock to permit the most rapid growth in the late evening and early morning hours.
"Nobody knew how this cyclic regulation of plant growth worked on a molecular level, but this must be one of the major mechanisms," said Kay. "This really gives us a molecular understanding of how the biological clock is regulating cyclic growth in plants."
Citing your sources with Links helps a lot
DAVES NOT HERE
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next time i run hydro, I will try to replicate.
Exciting change! I've heard nothing but good things about vermifire. Did you add anything else to it (lime, perlite). You gonna feed synthetics or organics? Definitely excited to see this one.
Also have you used the tomato cages before? I'll be curious to see how you train through them, they seem like a good idea
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