truth! i give my hydro plants to my partner for outdoor runs in soil and they suffer! they survive but freak the fuk out!
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Med-Man Tables By Krunchbubble...
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ScrifflyPimp
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method crippled attempt at fix incorrect grow style. Work ok. Fix grow style work better.
noobies make laugh
Good you Krunch, make learn why.
Incomplete stomatal closure during the night can lead to substantial nighttime transpirational water loss. Although water loss is an inevitable consequence of stomatal opening for photosynthetic carbon gain, nighttime stomatal opening is unexpected because carbon gain is not occurring and the need to cool leaves is reduced or absent.
The magnitude of water loss occurring during the night depends on vapor pressure difference (VPD) between leaves and the air, as well as canopy structure and atmospheric mixing
Dam krunch i say scrap the bennie shit all together get good chemical feed and Run with it
The magnitude of water loss occurring during the night depends on vapor pressure difference (VPD) between leaves and the air, as well as canopy structure and atmospheric mixing
Dam krunch i say scrap the bennie shit all together get good chemical feed and Run with it
The question you gotta ask yourself is this Krunch , why`s 1/2 the table standing tall and the rest goin to mush.....rootzone issues guaranteed.......now.....
Dead rez IS using synthetic nutrients Dr Fever , and there`s no way in Hell excess transpiration made those plants wilt , but rather from the LACK of transpiration trying to stay in survival mode from shuttin down and NOT drinkin at all , ALONG with root issues being the proverbial nail in the coffin.....anyways.....
If the setup won`t hoon and produce for yas Krunch , shitcan it and move back to a system that will and has produced for yas.....regardless.....
Damn sorry ta see all the probs , and wish nuthin but the best fer yas......and.....
My 2 cents from all them yrs in Krusty AND ebb and flow buckets.....
Peace.....DHF...
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Dead rez IS using synthetic nutrients Dr Fever , and there`s no way in Hell excess transpiration made those plants wilt , but rather from the LACK of transpiration trying to stay in survival mode from shuttin down and NOT drinkin at all , ALONG with root issues being the proverbial nail in the coffin.....anyways.....
If the setup won`t hoon and produce for yas Krunch , shitcan it and move back to a system that will and has produced for yas.....regardless.....
Damn sorry ta see all the probs , and wish nuthin but the best fer yas......and.....
My 2 cents from all them yrs in Krusty AND ebb and flow buckets.....
Peace.....DHF...
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Damn man sorry to see this happen to you. Although it's only a few plants damaged, it WILL get to the rest of them with recirculating the rez. I was planning on giving this system a go with 10kw but I will not now after seeing what has been happening yourself and the fact that I can't find even ONE grow from start to finish, I've seen a few started then the op stops posting which makes me think, are they having the same problems?
I still like the system, if these problems could be pinpointed and resolved I think it could be a great way to grow but until then I'm not interested. Personally I wouldn't run the pump 24/7...I'd give them several feeds per day instead and I'd also go straight into 12/12...moving from 20/4 to 12/12 is a huge enough shock to put the girls into flower.
Also if I was to build this system I would have used corrugated plastic as the base, have that run into a guttering and back into the rez.....like this.
^^^^^ Pic by Doneit
Wishing you the best for future projects Krunch, if I hadn't of read this thread I would have went with the med-tables but now I'm thinking about pots of coco or perlite, top fed, DTW.
Peace,
HGO
I still like the system, if these problems could be pinpointed and resolved I think it could be a great way to grow but until then I'm not interested. Personally I wouldn't run the pump 24/7...I'd give them several feeds per day instead and I'd also go straight into 12/12...moving from 20/4 to 12/12 is a huge enough shock to put the girls into flower.
Also if I was to build this system I would have used corrugated plastic as the base, have that run into a guttering and back into the rez.....like this.
^^^^^ Pic by Doneit
Wishing you the best for future projects Krunch, if I hadn't of read this thread I would have went with the med-tables but now I'm thinking about pots of coco or perlite, top fed, DTW.
Peace,
HGO
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ScrifflyPimp
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It's a bullshit setup to begin with. Just asking for a dose of Phytophthora or Pythium.
My plants would have Booyared much quicker in a peat media with more roots a lot lot faster. The reason the roots haven't hit the mat is the pathogen. To beat the pathogen there are many treatments, Snype has a method which he keeps a secret or he did while testing.
Try chlorine, P2o5 & bleach and H20. Then flush and add super thrive, to 1/2 strength fertigation, the NNA in the superthrive is to get root nodules once the disaster is avoided, the chemical mix is a standard cleaning formula for commercial application. Used mainly in laundry industry.
To maximise the potential out of the system like this you have to input systemic chemicals/pesticides into the fertigation which isn't needed in other grow systems.
The system is set to fail if critical controls are not implemented and followed daily, the fact that it recirculates isn't the bad part, if it was drip to waste then you would still fail as the hole crop on every table is able to effect the rest in an enclosed system.
You should go back to growing DWC or perhaps try soil or coco.
The main cause of this problem is lack of hygiene and poor/weak cuttings there is no organics present to prevent disaster.
Look at Joe Fresh's research.
My plants would have Booyared much quicker in a peat media with more roots a lot lot faster. The reason the roots haven't hit the mat is the pathogen. To beat the pathogen there are many treatments, Snype has a method which he keeps a secret or he did while testing.
Try chlorine, P2o5 & bleach and H20. Then flush and add super thrive, to 1/2 strength fertigation, the NNA in the superthrive is to get root nodules once the disaster is avoided, the chemical mix is a standard cleaning formula for commercial application. Used mainly in laundry industry.
To maximise the potential out of the system like this you have to input systemic chemicals/pesticides into the fertigation which isn't needed in other grow systems.
The system is set to fail if critical controls are not implemented and followed daily, the fact that it recirculates isn't the bad part, if it was drip to waste then you would still fail as the hole crop on every table is able to effect the rest in an enclosed system.
You should go back to growing DWC or perhaps try soil or coco.
The main cause of this problem is lack of hygiene and poor/weak cuttings there is no organics present to prevent disaster.
Look at Joe Fresh's research.
shit ,, this is a bummer,,. In the med man tables thread i asked him a few questions and wanted to know why his thread was never finished , but never got a reply , i was really diss pointed as i wanted to also do this type of setup but was hesitant without any real results?.
I mean i was also intrigued by the system but with no real evidence of completed crops is it not all really a gamble in the end? i would def go back to a trusted method that delivers good as we all know you can do it krunch
I mean i was also intrigued by the system but with no real evidence of completed crops is it not all really a gamble in the end? i would def go back to a trusted method that delivers good as we all know you can do it krunch
wonder what the temps averaged or got up to in the root area?
Another thing i didnt like on the table is the black feed hose on top of the table catching all the heat from the lights. No chiller either in the systems.
im going forward with my setup. already planned on 1/2 hp chiller, bubble insulate wrapping the the table an insulated feed lines.Also a pressurized pond bio-filter in the feed system. (been wanting to incorporate a pond bio-filter for some time now, want to learn more about aquaponics)
few years back i ran a top drip 24/7 system in a 5 gal buckets, 2 1/2in return feeds. Fastest plants i've ever ran!!! things got wayyyyy to big to fast. Plants overran other plants. But the plants that stayed on top where exceptional....
will be about 3-4 weeks before room is complete. Got the 24 in veg right now..
b-safe
Another thing i didnt like on the table is the black feed hose on top of the table catching all the heat from the lights. No chiller either in the systems.
im going forward with my setup. already planned on 1/2 hp chiller, bubble insulate wrapping the the table an insulated feed lines.Also a pressurized pond bio-filter in the feed system. (been wanting to incorporate a pond bio-filter for some time now, want to learn more about aquaponics)
few years back i ran a top drip 24/7 system in a 5 gal buckets, 2 1/2in return feeds. Fastest plants i've ever ran!!! things got wayyyyy to big to fast. Plants overran other plants. But the plants that stayed on top where exceptional....
will be about 3-4 weeks before room is complete. Got the 24 in veg right now..
b-safe
Hey Krunch. Mad props n respect for your candor. Seriously dude, its really refreshing to see some on keeping it real.
I think Mate-Dave hit the nail on the head in his first statement.
It must be a very frustrating ordeal but you have helped a lot of people.
Thank you Krunch.
Med-Man - you should link those results.
I think Mate-Dave hit the nail on the head in his first statement.
It must be a very frustrating ordeal but you have helped a lot of people.
Thank you Krunch.
Med-Man - you should link those results.
Your system is flawed. Your the creator and have not as of yet made a schedule here on Ic mag or anywhere else detailing the specifics of how to use the flawed system. Including preventative measures and a list of possible side effects.
Perhaps stop bragging about your 26 whatever in 2 years in your signature and help the community by informing the people who are just starting out of your preventative measures when using your recirculating "Death Tables". After all that's what were here for helping others not to make silly unfounded statements like "The world most awarded system" LOL
You could put this after all your ego extension things in your signature.
This list would include a daily checks and weekly checks as well as the amendments to the nutrient schedule you recomend as well as the feed schedule that you prefer.
Including what to do with the system when it fucks up!
This should alleviate problems for those who wish to use what they see and don't yet know about.
How to fix fit and apply techniques to a flawed system.
I can appreciate this table works Med Man under perfect conditions but the system isn't a brilliant one to begin with, it's just a matter of time before it all go's downhill.
How can it be made better?
I want to say big up to Krunchbubble as he has shown this system for what it truly is..
Your MPB buckets bare bulb are the better of these two systems. But to be honest Krunch even yourself and Lazyman who are highly versed in Hydroponics couldn't believe what is obtainable from the Heath Robinson system, you can try get his numbers but it's unlikely!
I'm sorry it didn't go well but that is par for the course with a system like this.
Your MPB buckets bare bulb are the better of these two systems. But to be honest Krunch even yourself and Lazyman who are highly versed in Hydroponics couldn't believe what is obtainable from the Heath Robinson system, you can try get his numbers but it's unlikely!
I'm sorry it didn't go well but that is par for the course with a system like this.
Killed the remaining plants in the tray and took that tray out of commission. Remaining Grape Ape's I tossed, roots are fine...
Did the dirty scrub with tons of sanitizer. GDP's are looking fine they havent been affected, roots are perfect. Hopefully this tray will go to harvest. Going to the store now to grab more bleach for dead-res...
ive been calling medman out as a crock of shit for years now... egotistical lunatic who publicly raves about how he is the best ever (until he got his fancy job and he completely 180'd his public attitude but we already saw it, dont forget people)
he claims his seeds are the only thing worth growing... i got the rks testers and they def WERE NOT worth writing home about. "MEDMAN TABLES ARE THE BEST WAY TO GROW, ONLY WAY TO GROW" this is how this egotist is thinking!!! the best way to grow is the one that optimizes the conditions with your physical grow area and legality/access to equipment... this means THERE IS NO BEST way
he claims his seeds are the only thing worth growing... i got the rks testers and they def WERE NOT worth writing home about. "MEDMAN TABLES ARE THE BEST WAY TO GROW, ONLY WAY TO GROW" this is how this egotist is thinking!!! the best way to grow is the one that optimizes the conditions with your physical grow area and legality/access to equipment... this means THERE IS NO BEST way
I don't want to rain on your cleaning parade Krunch but the best preventative measure against Pythium attack is a healthy, rapidly growing plant as this is an opportunist pathogen and will enter at the site of tissue injury or if the plants are overly succulent, weakened or stressed for some reason.
I'd literally burn everything and move!
Can you remember seeing any 'epinasty' a downward curvature of the plant leaves, resulting in plants which look wilted during the veg period as this would indicate where the problem started and that it is indeed a form of Pythium, the wilting observed in your photos suggests ethylene which accumulates in the roots and causes collapse of the root cells. I can see this.
Ive been through root rot problems in MPB buckets and know THE signs to catch it early. And when I do catch it, I know how to kill it and still get a good harvest...
There were no signs this time. I physically look at the roots everyday for signs of root rot/problems. The PH DID NOT spike at all. I actually have pictures from a couple hours before the wilting and the plants are the epitome of a perfect growing plant...
