med-man brand drop 22nd March!!!

[Yes4Prop215]

the ones who bark the loudest online are always hiding some kind of personal insecurity and aint about shit in real life....friendindeed has NOTHING on this website that even remotely backs up all the garbage that spews out in his posts...

putting him on ignore, dont even bother responding, im not gonna waste my time reading your drivel...have fun on the blacklist!

 

[soopy]

Man, I was all excited to hear about new Canadain genetics when I clicked on this thread originally... Bummer. They could still be great but I'll never know now.

I wish this all had been handled a little better by the breeder, it is his thread and all...

 

[jessethestoner]

This thread has been fun.

 

[adobesauce]

 

[subrob]

^^^ I think so too...I haven't found a thread this interesting in a long time..although I'm past any issues I may or may not have had w medman...I'm willing to bet he is wise enough to learn loads about his approach to internet marketing from this thread...esp w how much money is at stake nowadays...though I'm surprised some of the higher ups haven't done more to keep people from questioning him...that will come when the money starts getting shown...

I hope friend can learn a little something too..outside of this thread I've found him to be pleasant enough..seems to like being part of the community..I haven't read everything by him but seems like enough...I've found myself in situations online where I couldn't back down and said some dumb shit..just ask some of the mods...ha.but I've never gotten into an internet fight over the subject of whatever the fuck it is we are arguing about
I feel confident enough in what I've said here to let it stand...friend if you wanna take one more shot at me..dissect what I've said and state your case..after that..I'm willing to let the pissing match go...

 

[xmobotx]

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

OK friend...explain it to me like I'm retarded

I state I haven't seen any of your doing outside this thread...you tell me to do my research...I researched all I could..I think you meant your posts and pictures online..as I don't have any other means available to research you...I did...I saw some plants..the ssh certainly didn't look bad(though the princess diesel plant is the ugliest PD I've ever seen)...but so? Everybody on the sight has pics...and yours don't stand out from anyone....I also looked data bunch of your posts...again...not info that hurts people..but just average

So...if you've done any research on me...on this sight..the only way we have to judge each other..I would like to know..based only on pictures and posts...if you think you are more knowledgeable than I am on the subject of cannabis? I wont get mad if you say yes

I can list some of the texts I've read on the subject (plant genetics) during the 6 years that I've chucked pollen then moved on to what I consider apprentice then lower level journeyman seed maker (between 10-20 seed projects of mine being available thru the years at the icmag server fund)......but would it do me any good? Who's to say I'm not lying about reading learning understanding those texts I might list...

Anyways....if you believe I'm lying or exaggerating about any of what I've said in this post...then just call me a liar and a fool and keep on keepin on....but if I'm starting to crack thru your tough guy persona...understand that your points are stupid

its not up to me nor my intention to judge you or anyone, too much of that ignorance going on already and I don't want to be a part of it. ive read a a couple of txts on genetics as well and it only leads to understand that looking at genetics is just a minor portion of the process that one has to go through in order to gain the results that any grower should be after, I would think anyway.

you researched me and that I do appreciate, I have nor had nothing to hide. as ive stated before where I am in my grows right now is obvious since my sig preeeety much explains it all, if you need more than that then I cant help you. I don't plan nor do I need to research you, since your situation is not mine. you didn't have to deal with sandy or the likes previous that could just zap your shit. be clear, not looking for pity or understanding but being real about what killed my shit.

theres nothing to "crack thru", dont fucking blame me because you and most others are perceiving something that isn't there, fuck if I care, this shit is online anyway so take it how you wanna, I don't scare easy so I cant take you guys stand on how im being, unless im in your face and can see you , theres no reason to call you anything, but that's me and my realistic view of things

my train of thought comes from the classes that ive taken over time, A&P, human biology, chemistry, micro-biology and at varius points in time we discussed and tested for genetics, chromosomes and soo much other shit I can get into and reeeally don't want to, since whats the point, we don't see things the same anyway so what can be gained?.

my position is this.

at no point in time can or does lineage/parentage be outweighed by outcome and THC/CBD levels. that's what I look for in a plant, that's what I want to grow and that's where the science lies, is in the end result.

you guys are so hung up on parent lines, lineage, f1 this and s2 that. you morons will gladly pay upwards of hundreds of dollars for a strain that produces 8-10% THC and overlook the bag-seed or unknown that's producing 18-20%THC or even more. that's not nor will it ever be me period.

awright cool, if that's the logic that you want to grow by then go right ahead but miss me on all that dumb shit.

tired of trying to talk actual science to you cats and getting no where. people grow for results. science's greatest achievements are producing more productive results, the end game. the s1 f1 talk is just a minor part of the breeding equation, the final result is what your after, now how am I wrong about that? how is that hard to understand? how is that actually stupid since that's where these cats eventually expect to make their money as breeders? paying attention to what really and truly matters is stupid now? ok cool, i'll be that then.

you ever notice that most strain descriptions have the THC/CBD levels listed? numbers I rely on, results I rely on, facts, testing pH, addressing nute deficiencies, paying attention to plant response to nute changes I rely on; what I don't rely on is hippie shit, sniffing/touching/tree hugging/talking to plants/ and all of this maury " whos the father" bullshit you clowns like to preach as though its some sort of gospel that subjugates actual scientific process to achieve optimal results especially after being tested with optimal results achieved.

a strain that has an end result of 20+%THC "needs to have more work done" ?!?!

if that's "your logic" then yeah, im out . . .


oh check this one out!!! . . .

Almost every line available today got it's start from a bagseed parent! Bagseed gets too much of a bad rap nowadays ...some of my best grows involved bagseeds!

Not to jack your thread either bro, but here's some pics of some ?OG Master Kush I recently found in a bag!

p1
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p2
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dry nugs p1
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p2
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p2 was my fav, dense citrusy stony buds!!! p1 wasn't no slouch though either!

symbiote420, that's a damned good find, but remember pictures don't mean shit unless you can tell these clowns who fucked who.

im right there with you, gonna go try a connect I haven't in a while and see what he's got going on so I can get a couple plants in this season (seeds and weed for $20, who knew!!!). weather's been getting better, wifeys garden box is ready to go so she's straight, aquaponics system is ready to be assembled, just need a couple other things so I can get some fish in there and the greenhouse is on the way. gonna get to work and let these ppl continue with buying into the monkey hustle.

peace

ps - hope I didn't come off too strong to you with my faceless opinions and statements, had no clue I was that scary online, you know, not being able to be seen and all, my bad! grow them bag seeds cuz, get it in!!! not calling you out, but you don't seem to be a touchy bitch, but then again lord knows I don't want to offend as I have so far, so "i's is soooo sowry!!!!"

 

[fungzyme]

Hey, thanks for clearing that up for us. I guess I was confused because I thought you were throwing out your OPINION or your PERSONAL PREFERENCE or something, but what you were trying to get through our whiny elitist minds was THE FACTS, based on all that SCIENCE that you know. Maybe it was the fact that you're so SCARY online that had us all flustered.

Whew, glad that's all cleared up.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

this thread is still going on? wow.. it seems like some people just can't accept the facts of market behavior. it's as if(or maybe it is) they want to somehow conform the world to their way of thinking, rather than accepting the simple concept that educated consumers will want to know as much about a product before they buy it.

how is it even possible to try and argue with this idea?

 

[Infinitesimal]

ROFLMAO!!! dude? exactly how much of the "IC elitist" kool aide did you drink exactly?

this cat sounds like he'd "reverse cowgirl" a mo'fo' for the right documentation on a strain, DAMN! asshole drippin and everything! LMAO!

you quoted my post right? so you must have read that last sentence then right? ok, if that's the case, then go back a couple pages and read the precursor to that BUT even if you don't do that you can still see what im asking and i'll ask it again so at least you have some chance to answer it:

we all know that genetics is a crap shoot, that's been proven time and time again from the shittiest breeder to the "best" breeder. no matter what seeds you get, they are going to be a different plant each and every time, thereby leaving room for all sorts of differentials, variances other wise known as phenotypes. the proof for all of what im saying is one this very site from a myriad of growers and with 5k posts im sure you've heard every excuse under the sun just as well as I have as to why a strain does what it does

you've got examples like the triple node plants, the plants that grow crazy, plants that have offset intermodal spacing and the like, the proof is all over this site so I don't need to go into detail and post pics of anything.

now with the FACT that your always going to have to deal with plant varancies within the strain, then I want some one on here to tell me why is everyone so hung up on genetics SPECIFICALLY since its something that CANNOT BE Controlled?

other question I had as to why everyone is bitching is, these seeds are going for $40. now I, just like EEEEVERYONE ELSE on here has seen the prices of these seeds from other breeders and most ppl find and have valid reason to complain so I just wanted someone on here (specifically the ones that have been doing the most bitching about genetics) to tell me why is it worth all the bitching that they do for $40 friggin bucks since ppl spend more than that on their fucking soil and you can make that shit for FREE!!

heres some other facts that are prevalent to growing:

*just because you color your seeds doesn't necessarily mean they are gonna sprout (the horror stories are there, look them up)

*just because you germinated "this" way doesn't mean that they are going to germinate at all, some seeds are just duds.

*just because you have a pic of a plant doesn't mean that your plant is going to look just like that one or any better or any worse

*just because you have a pic its not going to guarantee anything.

*asking about lineage and parenting does not guarantee prosperity or genetic make up when growing from seed since the plant is going to be individual

so, with all of that being said, once again I ask, why do these ppl bitch and moan and whine about genetics, parentage and lineage when in essence it means nothing until you grow that plant out?

and why bitch about the price if hes charging what most breeders should be charging as a base price. the more money it costs, the more seeds you should get (sidebar: most breeders should somehow, be held accountable for non germination of seeds when germination has been achieved overall/ meaning; they should replace the seeds that didn't pop free of charge, but hey that's just me wanting actual "customer service", so kill me I guess)

thing is im a grown ass man, and I HATE to hear other grown ass ppl whine, bitch, moan, groan, grumble and just be outright hardasses over shit they CANNOT CONTROL so I just want to know why? why go through all of this when its as simple as either buy the fucking seeds or not? especially for the price its worth the risk, now if your asking for hudreds of dollars (imo, $60 and up is proper bitching range) then I get the whole "show me the money" attitude that most ppl have but for $40 damned bucks?!

and I remember somewhere on here someone responded to med man posting some pics by saying "see that's all we asked for" and I literally lauged out loud BECAUSE IT PROVED NOOOOTHING!!!!

the constant bitching is something that is rampant on this site and I just wanted someone with sense enough of it to explain why, or one of the many bitchers on here to chime in and say "hey FRIEND this is why I bitch about it. . ." that's all, and I don't think its too much to ask either.

ask me why I do what I do and I can give you as much of a detailed answer as needed, I know why I do what I do , but don't get it twisted I know how things can go on this site, so before I answer anything about me I want someone to answer those questions

why ask for something and bitch about something that doesn't matter in the first place? why ask for factors that don't mean shit unless you eventually try? I mean yea it sounds like a sales plug when med man says "just grow them out" but then again it all makes sense and I would tell anyone the same thing, your aint gonna know shit unless you try them and for $40 whats the problem?! and the questions are more than relevant to the thread (and this site!) because theres soo damned much of it going on that its fucking ridiculous!

and my sigs shows how real I am about my shit

\/ \/ \/ see no gimmicks or game! I wasnt getting the proper grow results and I finally figured out and knew why, so im doing what I need to do, not bitching or moaning about it, but actually doing something about it! im as real a person as they come, and I don't like to bullshit or play games and this is one thing that just riles me up to no end!

nah, not harsh at all, and it really sums up absolutely nothing to be real about it.

I respect that, but gotta be clear, im not defending med man at all, and I know it can seem to be that way, but what I really want to know is why do ppl want to control something that they cant? what does having all of this information really do for anyone in the end or long run.

ive learned from some of the more seasoned growers on here. real cats, cats who have told me that shit isn't gonna go your way all the time. cats who have explained to me that genetics really don't mean shit, and as long as you get a descent mom then your good AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET A DESCENT MOM IS TO GROW OUT THE SEEDS/ GET THE FEMALES/ TAKE CUTS/ MARK EVERYTHING/ GROW OUT THE CUTS AND SEE WHICH ONES PRODUCE THE BEST. not my advice but what I was taught by many SEASONED AND EXPERIENCED others on here.

ICMAG is the shit and I know there is good info on here (just really wished it was more organized TBH) and even better ppl, REAL ppl, who know what it means to grow this plant, and those are the ones ive gotten advice from and learned from over my time on here, so when I see really stupid shit like what I see on here then yeah it fuckin bugs me to no end!

and oh my god the fucking bitching that these ppl do, is unrelenting to no end!!!!!! fungzyme , to is, like a cum drop on the front of a hookers jeans, pointless, useless, annoying and serves no real purpose in the grand scheme of things, so kudos to him and his like. theres gonna be a couple morons popping up and ive learned on here that when you show these morons their reflections they cant take it. its cool and to be expected.

and oh yeah, I really want an answer

get at me with what makes sense, if not then don't get at me at all. its clear you cant read dude, and that's understandable since your response is so off base its ridiculous. ive been asking questions, and not once have I made any claims about anything, so what claims are you talking about? get the quotes up! lets see 'em! if anything ive stated complete facts about growing and genetics in general

don't be a dick, answer this one:

what plant do you know of gives you the exact same genetic makeup from seed no matter the growing conditions, feeding schedules, lighting sources or water chemistry and no matter how many times the a parent plants are used to make said seeds? not just cannabis but any plant?!

lol, you are just gonna dip and dodge to the best of your ability huh? I dig you though, at least you tried to be slick with it.

never did come up with that proof of me not being able to keep my plants alive huh? did you see my cloning methods that gave me a 100% success rate? nah, bet not (remember, go and check it before you start talking your shit, ok?)

did you ever check my diaries to see whats up with me? check my credentials so to speak? nah, bet not, your too much of an elitist asshole to be a realist I bet.

its all good, that shit is rampant around here, but ive been fortunate enough to deal with and learn from real cats on here and those ppl are the ones that keep this site alive and me wanting to stay around, just a shame there are jackasses like you around but its ok, you'll be taught just like I was, its only a matter of time.

that would be my attitude IF I had a sales job, and like I said in the very sentence you quoted "never had one and never will" or wait a minute, like most ppl on here you see what you want to and are able to hear or in this case comprehend none of it?

so no, cat, that's not my attitude in life or other wise, once again/I repeat (since you obviously didn't get it the first time you read it AND quoted it):

(ahhh there you go! even made it a lil bigger for ya, maybe you'll have a better chance of gettin' it, right?)
that would be my attitude IF I had a sales job, and like I said in the very sentence you quoted "never had one and never will"

LMAO! you just don't understand what I would give to meet some if not most of you motherfuckers on here and choke some fucking sense in to you I swear to god, oooooh you just don't KNOW!!!!!

ive never subscribed to this stupid shit either. I missed and was glad I missed the train where all caps became "yelling" (so fuckin stupid to me). you either have lower case or upper case letters, thats what they are, that's what they've always been.

and if you wanna go with the paradigm that all caps is "yelling", then tell mw how you whisper? if you can yell then you can whisper right, or let me guess that's only when your actually talking? (smdh)

imagine a kid goes to a blackboard and he decides to write his answer top a question in all uppercase letters and the teacher tells him to "stop yelling".

do you guys ever actually think about these things before you just start adopting shit? what the hell, been typing for damned near 25+ yrs and all of a sudden im "yelling", fuck outta here with that stupid shit man.

all very good and valid questions so here is what my take on it is




please med-man, chime in at any time and tell me to go fuck myself if need be or whether im wrong or not.

unlike most who are willing and actually want to be spoon-fed, ive focused attention and have done my research, and was able to find his original posts, plant pics, methodologies, grow style, grow vids including pm'ing the man myself.

ive done my research of what hes done and doing, I found (through acquired knowledge via research) a great respect for what he's got going on.

I gave him my opinion before and told him he shouldn't have given any of these monkeys a damned thing! but alas, he's trying to get something done so he had to jump through the same hoops again. I just hope that he doesn't change over time, stay tried and true to his methodologies, ideals, ethics and moral standing towards growing/breeding.

his shit was on point out the gate and I have to respect that plain and simple. i guess im old school but I never was aware that respecting another man was "kissing his ass" but oh well, I find myself debunking most of the shit society is trying to shove down my throat, and as most have been able to see it goes for the same asinine trains of thought I find on this site and this thread

that's a bitch ass statement if ive ever heard one, all of my grows/woes are documented on here, all my failures as well as success. and ive stated before ive got nothing to hide. just like I was advised before when I started a thread about giving it all up, the better ppl on here came through, held me down showed me love and say hey man, don't stop don't give up, every one has a bad grow cept for me, being in NJ dealing with the shit out here, you can get easily caught with your pants down on some storm shit.

would I ever deny it or not claim it? hell no. most cats on here have phenominal grows, where they found hermies but do they stop? most cats on here have had plants turn to shit and have no clue or no explanation (theres a very expansive infirmary forum on here, theyre all there), so should they give it up?

ok so wait, can you say that you've never . . . not once . . . ever had a bad grow or crop? your a fucking liar if you say other wise, cause that's some shit that everyone goes through at some point in/with their grows, EVERYONE!!!

so because of that im not gonna call an asshole and asshole and call ppl on their bullshit when I see it? hell no! now you said you checked my shit and saw the failures which, once again, are practically revealed in my sig. but for you the SSH was a failure huh? the NL was a failure huh? if anything im glad one of you sorry ass bastards were able to do what you were supposed to.

and ya'll really need to stop all this internet gangster claiming bullshit for real. at no point in time have I ever made any threats to anyone on here, so stop getting your lil virtual panties cramed up your twat cracks. most fickle lil bitches on the internet are the ones that talk that "oh your an internet thug" shit when you come real at 'em. what ive found is your the very same ones that wouldn't know how to handle a thug if you saw one.

as far as the points that ive made on here, you know damned well they are valid, but you know what go ahead with your bullshit. like I said before show me one plant that grows from seed to be exactly like the original ANY FUCKING PLANT. you can talk all that s1, f1 shit aaaaall day and your still not going to be able to deny a scientific genetic fact. not even human twins are exactly the fucking same dude!!! so how in the hell can it mysteriously be done with a fucking plant

this thread aside, if were talking about actual science then PLEASE show me the txt or study where something/anything has reproduced asexually or otherwise where the offspring has been EXACTLY the fucking same?!?!? where in the history of science and scientific study has that ever been found/revealed or done, happened in any genome in any species of plant, mammal, reptile, bird/fowl or otherwise.

c'mon man, you guys love to hold on to your bullshit but even morons have to validate themselves, don't need your validation to know what is fact and what is not, all this talk about anything outside of actual scientific fact is nothing more than the average monkey hustle.

if your breeding seeds, and you don't test what the average THC/CBD counts/levels can possibly be then your talking fuckery and that's where the actual science of breeding reproductive worthy plants come from. fuck every thing else. if your not putting out those numbers then whats the point. and there are labs everywhere so why not get it tested? those levels are where your highs and lows are.

isn't it a fact that INDICA and SATIVA THC/CBD values differ along with HEMP and RUDERALIS? that you tell the variations among those different strains of cannabis with that information alone?

c'mon man, ya'll just wanna stay blind in your own fantasy worlds and im not going for it. how does that even work. although he has "a lot of things going on" the fact that he states the THC/CBD is counted less in comparison to lineage and parentage?!?! man get the fuck outta here with that stupid shit.

med. brother I think you are catering to the wrong fucking crowd with these asshats, good luck cuz, im gone, be glad all you want, most of you motherfuckers are so blinded and misguided and are complacent with that. its like being satisfied with gold being valued more than platnium

 

[med-man]

this thread is still going on? wow.. it seems like some people just can't accept the facts of market behavior. it's as if(or maybe it is) they want to somehow conform the world to their way of thinking, rather than accepting the simple concept that educated consumers will want to know as much about a product before they buy it.

how is it even possible to try and argue with this idea?

i dont know if i would consider a mob or their mentality educated. but that is just me.

the beans are flying off the shelves, and this isnt about money

med-man

 

[subrob]

You shouldn't be sarcastic about the "uneducated mob"....they the only ones getting your seeds at the server fund or as freebies...I'm guessing that's where they are available since it isn't about the money?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

i dont know if i would consider a mob or their mentality educated. but that is just me.

the beans are flying off the shelves, and this isnt about money

med-man

med-maker, personally i do not care that you are making money through your seed venture. in fact, i wish you success(granted your offerings are of the quality claimed). you have to see that the "mob" is an aggregate of all different type of folks, some which may surprise you, and their posing legitimate questions about your product is not "uneducated" behavior. i would say quite the contrary, as the multitude of inquiries show that you're dealing with inquisitive aficionados(who obviously like to educate themselves on a deeper level about a strain's history). strain parentage and history is an integral(and undeniable) part of real cannabis enthusiasm and culture. just read around on these forums a bit to see what i mean.

touting your price as a selling point is a poor substitute for straight answers that give us the confidence to willfully purchase your wares(instead of feeling like we're taking a chance for a low $40).
some vendors sell out $120 packs in minutes because:

1. the genetics are proven and generate huge interest in the market

2. combined with the vendor's forthcoming interactions with potential customers; answering questions and generally being respectful of client inquiries

(i.e. OGRaskal just to name one)

i hope this entire situation sets certain precedents for future seed vendors.

 

[soopy]

Hot damn Cloud Strife, nail on the head my good man.

Med-man, this is a golden opportunity if you are willing to accept it, fwiw...

 

[adobesauce]

^^^^^^^ don't give cloud a 3 word reply plz

 

[med-man]

my genetics are tried and true by very very very heavy smoking canadians over the last 10-15 years, and they still are tried and true.

market research and testing is long established.

canadians and canadian patients demand yield and power. the foundation of my stock.

if no one wants to try what i am sharing from the canadian medical scene aka my personal med-garden, it doesnt affect me or the people in my scene.

i have been toutingquality as a selling point. rhetoric pointless, anyone knows that.

i have answered all the questions, why there is stll a debate going on about that is really beyond me.

the kind has, will, does sell itself.


med-man

 

[xmobotx]

i m look'n forward to the gro-shows which are sure to come

dont want to hear talk so much as see pix & dont care so much how you set about marketing it; if you have something worth sharing then it is what it is

 

[symbiote420]

I don't know med-man from a hole in the wall ....I posted pics of his Purple Pain Killer strain in this thread and gave my experiences with it, which were pretty damn good! Even RespectGreen posted his PPK pics and said his peeps liked it .....I got folks on here giving me negative rep ....for giving my real life testimony? WOW!!! I never said all his strains were fire or of thee highest order, I just gave "my" testimonial of his PPK and get shot up for it ....where's the justice in that ICMag'ers? How many post do I need here for my words to be respected/accepted or what has to be done because the truth has not worked for me at all so far!!

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I don't know med-man from a hole in the wall ....I posted pics of his Purple Pain Killer strain in this thread and gave my experiences with it, which were pretty damn good! Even RespectGreen posted his PPK pics and said his peeps liked it .....I got folks on here giving me negative rep ....for giving my real life testimony? WOW!!! I never said all his strains were fire or of thee highest order, I just gave "my" testimonial of his PPK and get shot up for it ....where's the justice in that ICMag'ers? How many post do I need here for my words to be respected/accepted or what has to be done because the truth has not worked for me at all so far!!

perhaps your report is being looked at through colored lenses. objective feedback does not deserve negative rep, regardless of vendor.

 

[Galactic]

my genetics are tried and true by very very very heavy smoking canadians over the last 10-15 years, and they still are tried and true.

market research and testing is long established.

canadians and canadian patients demand yield and power. the foundation of my stock.

if no one wants to try what i am sharing from the canadian medical scene aka my personal med-garden, it doesnt affect me or the people in my scene.

i have been toutingquality as a selling point. rhetoric pointless, anyone knows that.

i have answered all the questions, why there is stll a debate going on about that is really beyond me.

the kind has, will, does sell itself.


med-man

If rhetoric is pointless, why even mention (subjective) quality?

I don't know med-man from a hole in the wall ....I posted pics of his Purple Pain Killer strain in this thread and gave my experiences with it, which were pretty damn good! Even RespectGreen posted his PPK pics and said his peeps liked it .....I got folks on here giving me negative rep ....for giving my real life testimony? WOW!!! I never said all his strains were fire or of thee highest order, I just gave "my" testimonial of his PPK and get shot up for it ....where's the justice in that ICMag'ers? How many post do I need here for my words to be respected/accepted or what has to be done because the truth has not worked for me at all so far!!

Your post count looks fine. It's probably most likely because you "don't know medman from a hole in the wall". You are self qualifying the integrity of your words.