MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[HOVAH]

YEAH JULIAN...... IM GUILTY OF RUNNING MY MOUTH...... WANTING TO SHOW-OFF MY GROWIN SKILLS TO FRIENDS.....WANTING HATED FROM ENEMYS.......EGO.....EGO...EGO.... COULD SEND MY ASS TO JAIL!!!... CANT AFFORD TO KEEP BEING STUPID

MY PARTNER HAD VENTURES THAT WERE ALOT MORE RISKY, I WASNT INVOLVED IN .... PERSONAL REASONS..... HE WAS FLAMING HOT.....AND IT WAS FUNNY, HOW IT NEVER SEEM TO BOTHER HIM.... ALMOST LIKE HE ENJOYED THE HEAT......AKA "THE DOPE DEALER'S LIFE-STYLE" .....ITS SOMEWHAT OF A "HIGH" !!!

I ADMIT,..ITS ADDICTIVE.... PEOPLE TALK TO YOU DIFFERIANTLY .. TREAT YOU DIFFERIANTLY , AND NOT JUST WOMEN ..... MEN IN PARTICULAR CHANGED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT I HAD A SURPLUS OF PRODUCT, AND AT A COMPETATIVE PRICE.... THEY BECAME WOMEN!!!

IT DOESNT LOOK TOO GOOD FOR HIM, CONSPIRACEY CHARGES ARE A MUTHER-FUCKER.... SEEMS THE GOVERNMENTS HAD BEEN WATCHIN HIM FOR SOME TIME.... I DONT KNOW OF ANYONE BEATING UM

 

[Julian]

YEAH JULIAN...... IM GUILTY OF RUNNING MY MOUTH...... WANTING TO SHOW-OFF MY GROWIN SKILLS TO FRIENDS.....WANTING HATED FROM ENEMYS.......EGO.....EGO...EGO.... COULD SEND MY ASS TO JAIL!!!... CANT AFFORD TO KEEP BEING STUPID

Well, that's a little harsh...(sometimes we tend to be on ourselves, and sometimes we have to be), but, whatever.......what's done is done and all you can do is change what you think you should tomorrow....

If you learn(ed) something, well, than we're always ahead of most, so.....

Maybe this will help....(close calls or perceived close calls usually work wonders on us making changes and /or realizations of many things ....)

MY PARTNER HAD VENTURES THAT WERE ALOT MORE RISKY, I WASNT INVOLVED IN .... PERSONAL REASONS..... HE WAS FLAMING HOT.....AND IT WAS FUNNY, HOW IT NEVER SEEM TO BOTHER HIM.... ALMOST LIKE HE ENJOYED THE HEAT......AKA "THE DOPE DEALER'S LIFE-STYLE" .....ITS SOMEWHAT OF A "HIGH" !!!

Well, we now know the reason it didn't bother him was because he wasn't thinking about it ....

Well.....I do know intimately and can relate to "feelings", but, unless he was making 7 figures a year, the only feeling he should have been having is "Fuck, I should be careful so I can make it to retirement in 3 years"

It's called "power"...........(I personally have come to see true power lies in jobs and homes......The basic essentials but also some of the most significant....)

I ADMIT,..ITS ADDICTIVE.... PEOPLE TALK TO YOU DIFFERIANTLY .. TREAT YOU DIFFERIANTLY , AND NOT JUST WOMEN ..... MEN IN PARTICULAR CHANGED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT I HAD A SURPLUS OF PRODUCT, AND AT A COMPETATIVE PRICE.... THEY BECAME WOMEN!!!

IT DOESNT LOOK TOO GOOD FOR HIM, CONSPIRACEY CHARGES ARE A MUTHER-FUCKER.... SEEMS THE GOVERNMENTS HAD BEEN WATCHIN HIM FOR SOME TIME.... I DONT KNOW OF ANYONE BEATING UM

They become women That would be funny if it wasn't funny ..

Well......sure your aware of the implications of being an associate of someone under long term surveillance....

Be careful.......Best wishes for season, and, if you change names for any reason, please send me a shout of a good season so know your well...

If you ask me.......biggest problem.....(people handling in a quiet and humble way extra cash and any power).......

The trick?

The real trick is to, as you make more, spend less......As you gain more power, use it less...(in more significant ways...)

I sure wouldn't trade Ferrari's, estate (pool, parties), and out every night for 5 years for 25 of freedom.....(All that money could be spent in many quieter ways with much more benefit to oneself and those around them)

You do what you have to do.....and then........hopefully......have time and some money to maybe then do what you want to....

If one can get more than that?......your already ahead of the game and pretty lucky I think..

 

[Indica_Dreamer]

I just saved all 129 pages. will read through again and again. thanks julian.

 

[Julian]

Well, I'm honored and humbled that one would go through the trouble.....

Lot of financing issues changed due to subprime problems...(No money downs/100% financing less and less available....but, those things change...was talking to someone couple weeks ago (Lending) about a couple here and there with exceptional credit (750+ middle score), so...might add some things next time I am in that mode...My work focus (industry) changes depending on what I am working on......ie: If working heavily on lending stuff, in that mode and less others for months at a time....if properties?, in that "mode", and not paying attention to lending (aside from what I am working on......general overview of programs and changes in guidelines on many different products, etc......)

When trading heavy?....I ignore both/all

Thanks man...kind of you to say......Hope of interest and value, use, etc....hope some way, shape, or form affects your bottom line....I'd love for everyone to make an extra 50k, 100k, 200k, bank and spend wisely, build something larger......If even a faint reason for such, the honor is mine......In real life, I basically "make people rich"...it's what I do......make people money, then more money, then advise on more money, etc......it's my chosen "game".....I like it.....very similar to green...(i think......business is business...all the same, just some more fun then others ....)

And, in the process....I learn things also...make a little money for me too , and, develop a lot of new ideas......

I'm pretty easy to figure out....If I am talking, I'm thinking about something .....changeover of subject matter illustrates what occupies my mind at certain times, etc....

Especially with grow stuff......last year or so...lot of stuff on my mind....(big, in, out, far, close, making stock, making fems, liquidating and cashing out, etc...)

But then........realistically......if I won 300MM tomorrow I would probably still end up running several acres of AF's and running something down south

After that.....I can live with doing a ps garden...(well...okay....a fairly large ps garden )

Fuck man....see how it works?

 

[Julian]

Anyway..........

So. Here we are.........

We're in August.....at a point which I consider "starting to wrap it up".......

Hope all have had a good season so far........hope all have learned new things (from anywhere, about anything).....

I haven't had a good year (my worst to date, worse in entire life), but, "broke in" several new locations (felt like they broke me in though ), and, spots good spots....can be used in future (will be, 100%)....now intimate with them, so.....bonus is locations for future runs.....good spots overall....have better ideas and some planning at this point on them (they came up quickly and required a quick move on them) for next/future seasons.....

Saying this because someone might get something positive out of that and/or be in same situation....new(er) spot....some mistakes, or problems, but, spot is good.....which is what it's all about.....

We have good seasons, we have bad, and, best news is always another is right around the corner (2+/- months to go on this one, and, next one only 8 months......by the time done trimming....3-4-5 months away, etc....and on it goes......)

Waiting to get some cool pics up....hasn't been on my mind but, now, as season wrapping up....a little more relaxed and might have some cool shots......want to get a special one...(woods, with fog, and then poking through the fog everywhere.....was there one day and didn't have one with me, and was very, very cool....)

This season very tired due to non stop problems/issues.....feel like it's really near the end....know a lot to go.....but, very tired...(I should get stock rounds started as now veg center completely empty......but...just not "feelin" it, and, feel the pinch actually (that I should get them all started now and get it done, no time )

(Did my last round the other day....last I had going....couple hundred, maybe 500 at most in another place...contemplating right now using that round for emergency stock.....mixed stuff...not what I would like , but, not crap either (AK/Skunk/NL crosses...that kind of stuff....) Maybe fem that just for the hell of it, but, haven't decided......Planted, then basically hung out with everyone last couple days, so....tomorrow will start to think about what to do now.....

(Actually, I should have the down south stock ready asap....November/December......to give it a cure to be ready for early spring.......)

Anyway....here we are....August.......still free/safe (always a bonus ) so....that alone is cause for relief)....Fuck singin....it's not over till the fat ladies make it home ....so.....

60 days...75 days.....(I know some longer....85, etc).....

We're almost there.......Know a lot of people, myself included had problems this season, but, next season, as above, right around the corner (8 months not a long time, when you have 2-3 months to go for flowering, then lots of time trimming, then cure, etc, etc.....)

Hope all is well with everyone.......Hope everyone's things are going well......

We're almost there.....

 

[blackone]

Must spread

Got some very late stuff out in a nice spot a few days ago for a test / seedgrow. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=95984
Slugs came and ate a couple of plants - was planning on preventive measures but got lazy. I almost didn't even get around to putting them out on the spot because of my procrastination - Been digging too deep in my jar of assorted scissor hash lately

In the defense of cannabis I must admit that procrastination for me is really a personality flaw - been like that since before I tasted weed for the first time.

The spot is a bit of a gem - there are quite a bit of trees so even though it looked promising to me in the early spring I thought back then that the foliage would take too much light. If I had just trusted my instincts when I saw the lush vegetation in the area and put out those plants a little earlier. Detection is unfortunately a bit of a risk there - it's fairly close to a path and pretty accessible for someone who doesn't mind walking through 1.5M tall vegetation (unfortunately no stinging nettles).
In spite of many walks in the forests nearby I haven't found any "perfect" spots yet. Funny how some spots would be perfect for the plants to stand undetected but dangerous to visit, while others might be a little more unsafe for the plants, but a lot safer for me (Not sure how to explain).

Could consider many "imperfect" plots and then just hope for a few to be successful but then again - if one is found perhaps forest workers/police would start actually searching for them, something I don't think is actually done actively here.

 

[Julian]

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Got some very late stuff out in a nice spot a few days ago for a test / seedgrow. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=95984

I was just reading that ...Glad you got everything done, got them out.....sorry for loss of few, but, glad for survival of others.......if they made it through initial, should be good to go....

I've never really seen too much "transplant shock".....could be many reasons...could be all things combined, but, for the most part, they always settle in rather well and pick up quite fast....

Slugs came and ate a couple of plants - was planning on preventive measures but got lazy. I almost didn't even get around to putting them out on the spot because of my procrastination - Been digging too deep in my jar of assorted scissor hash lately

I know the feeling

I've been on the bubble remnants lately, but, have a soft spot for scissor hash....big time...Fuck...now thinking about it ....(nothing like fresh blade cheese ......)

Seeeee.....lucky you did get them out Now you'll have more soon ...(I always find the differences very interesting.....bubble to dry sift to scissor to commercial, etc.....I like the bubble best, but fucks me up too much ...Dry sift is nice but I do those big deep 20 second asphyxiation hits, and, hits my lungs a little too hard....Blade does too, but, I'm usually too high quick enough that I forget about it anyway and do more and more

In the defense of cannabis I must admit that procrastination for me is really a personality flaw - been like that since before I tasted weed for the first time.

See, for me, the opposite.......cause I look at it running out and start thinking how I need more cause will be out soon ...(I mainly only smoke what I personally make....had a couple nice indoor things past month or so....but..lacking real dry and cure on it..(You know....you leave it out for a day before breaking it up, etc...had something the other day that was very nice but the nitrate hit on it was brutal.....ie: nitrate headaches, etc...Took one monster hit and felt like I got hit in side of head with a hammer...

The spot is a bit of a gem - there are quite a bit of trees so even though it looked promising to me in the early spring I thought back then that the foliage would take too much light. If I had just trusted my instincts when I saw the lush vegetation in the area and put out those plants a little earlier. Detection is unfortunately a bit of a risk there - it's fairly close to a path and pretty accessible for someone who doesn't mind walking through 1.5M tall vegetation (unfortunately no stinging nettles).

Fuckin nettles .....good indicator of great soil though it seems....every nettle spot I have been in were some nice spots....(results overall..)

Well, you know....you have a good spot for next year......(and you know it now, so, will know when to get in and trim if possible.....)

In spite of many walks in the forests nearby I haven't found any "perfect" spots yet. Funny how some spots would be perfect for the plants to stand undetected but dangerous to visit, while others might be a little more unsafe for the plants, but a lot safer for me (Not sure how to explain).

No explanation necessary........sounds like the spots where you can be are late season spots and the ones where you can't be are early, mid season no maintenance spots....

Could consider many "imperfect" plots and then just hope for a few to be successful but then again - if one is found perhaps forest workers/police would start actually searching for them, something I don't think is actually done actively here.

I've had Europe on my mind now for quite a while......didn't get close/far enough into it to become intimate with every single aspect regarding eradication efforts if any in the region, but, seems overall like immeasurably less then US and such....

You know..."perfect" is all relative.....like above....each spot offers a different set of advantages and disadvantages......(big or small, anywhere , anytime...)...rarely is anything "perfect"....(Although I have been thinking again how my last big one was .....) But, then again?....while new locations might not allow certain things which I like...would like..have liked...............well, they're safe...so.....one might require more work....one might require a little more prep and maintenance, etc....but....I can do things and feel fairly confident in bringing them in, so....seems like always some kind of trade off.......what you can when you can where you can I suppose ....

Was a point/points earlier on that I wasn't even sure if I would be running anything this year...no spots......but, one popped up......another came up...and so on....but, can work them in future, so......that also makes me feel better about many things....(I always have had a lot of smaller, everywhere......all over the place.....but, lost my big, big one....so, that left a huge hole for me that I was starting to have some concern about being filled...

 

[dazednconfused]

But then........realistically......if I won 300MM tomorrow I would probably still end up running several acres of AF's and running something down south

please, please elaborate on an op like this. irrigation wise? fertilizer injectors? want to do something like this in a corn field or something....most likely auto ak47

 

[Julian]

All earlier in thread....

Have discussed working corn on larger scale....ie: 2-5 acres worth mixed into total of 200-400+ acres, etc....but, not something which moved me....

(But I am still talking with them...)

Last month or so have started talking quite a bit with legit farmers in certain regions......ie:what is the norm?, the selection of things grown in those regions...the seasons and methods for such, what equipment used, methods, etc......(Theoretical example: Beans, beets, potato's, corn and berries grown...okay, what are the seasons for the beans and beets and potatoes, what do they look like, when is normal planting, what is procedure as far as spraying, when is harvest typically, etc, etc......so, getting a feel for legit schedules and crops and their looks, etc, to see what can be done and fit the best......ie: If a certain thing planted at certain time in ertain region and a certain height for a specific period of time, AF's might work under that guise, etc......

(Have also discussed buying several parcels/farms adjacent to one another (so farm is bordered on all sides by friendlies ....) which of course takes waiting and looking for exactly such to appear for sale, etc....

Have been talking to the same above also as far as giving them the rest of farm and produce for free, etc......ie: 400 acres, I use 10, they can have everything from the other 390, etc...stuff like that....

Still a lot of ideas.......several things I have seen (land, farms, estates).....

Areas I would work have the rainfall, so, no irrigation necessary. Down south they use different methods, different ballgame, but, those are major legit ops basically...not uncommon to see 100-200-500-1,000 acre solid working farms......10 acres down there is basically like a ps garden for the family

All I am willing to say at this point in time on subject has been said.

It is what it is......we'll see what and when and where......in no rush, have had this on backburner for a while...finally some nice things, so.....we'll see......

The personal and spiritual satisfaction I could draw from such might just satisfy me......(well, that and the non US one )...

5 acres......US?.....in and out?...success?.....

Might give me an internal smile that would remain for a long time to come

I've been wondering lately, given the specifics (maybe 4 weeks...3 weeks of actual exposure, and size......) if might be possible to do a larger plot..(20 acres, etc)...and I sincerely think one could, but, I think the crew would be the risk.....and, with something like that.....can't imagine no one speaking about it......so, whatever......(Could isolate and delegate....only certain trusted people in on planting and maintenance, and then bringing extra in to finish trim and keeping them at farm until done, etc....(and ripping phones out of the wall for that period ...)

Initial veg?.....nothing./...can't see them from 30 ft away.. early flower?...still small, still nothing.....still think could do it.....couple weeks into flower, profile changes but still small?....the sleepless nights would start....late flower?.....I'd probably be shaking so much I'd be spilling my drink when talking .....

3-4 weeks risk....3-4 weeks exposure.......not the same as 3-4 months.......and not the same as 6-8-10+ footers.......

From any reasonable distance, just another bean crop (or whatever it comes closest to in the end ....)

Whatever......I think I can. I think it can be done. I have sold it to several in real life after thorough and logical analysis of all aspects and phases to some very initially skeptical people........

3-4 weeks true risk and exposure.......

I can deal with 3-4 weeks for even low estimate payoff

(Granted, cut, dry, trim scares the ever loving piss out of me and I start sobbing just thinking about it ), and, I can readily imagine saying "FUCK THIS" after several months and turning everything remaining into bubble......dry sift......(I don't even care if had 10 people running machines 24/7..would still be a fuckin nightmare.....) .but, worst things have happened than such I suppose ...

If that is the worst problem one has.......life isn't so bad I guess..

 

[dazednconfused]

yea rainfall is good but should someone wait for the farmer to fertilize the land before you plant?? if its not fertilized then what?? cant rely on rainfall or else the plants will be small...you want atleast 1-2 oz min each...the good auto ak47 pheno apparently yields 3-5oz but id have to see it to believe it...

an acre sea of green would be very interesting....what if you were to plant 1 for every 6" squared...so in a 10' x 40' patch...you would have like 1400-1600...tthats alot lol but you get the idea...how do you think the yield would be with one of those bushy fuckers....not much room to breath but you'd get something nice lol

for something similar to ^^^^ how does one properly feed it?? the only thing i came up with was lay down a shit load of soil with nutrients in it and use one of those tiller mixer things and just plant. thats only if the land wasn't fertilized with manure. just throwing ideas out there, hope u can help...

i have been scoping out these southern facing hills next to forests and shit, thinking of doing a patch on the south side and leaving a large blow up pool in the bush...hopefully several hundred gals come spring time....get a car battery and hook up a sick pump. add a fertilizer injector to the hose and you can water your plants with one of those wands....hahahahahahaha

or

just plant 1000 or so in some dudes field and hope they grow...weed out the males....i dunno lol

 

[Julian]

I wouldn't agree if rainfall adequate. I've had muti lb giants from no maintenance no prep....as I am sure many others have.

An acre is 200' x 200'.

If doing fems (which I would) would do one per sq. ft. Wouldn't even bother with males. Spacing gets too tight and you can't get in to sex them (Been there, done that...have been doing multi k mini's for years....Note: Which I include in my overview to people.....only difference is a "couple more" ....

You would of course want land done, in advance....(I would, and have talked with several about it....from having it subbed out to purchasing equipment and handling it in house... etc.....)

Edit: I would of course for that do soil samples and analysis and work a custom mix for site, plow/till, work in, plow/till again, let some rain hit it and let it settle, and then plant....still talking to people about what is the norm...coming along...not as quickly as I would l would like of course....these guys are not known for their lightning quick dialogue, so.....fopr every one they answer I have 20 more...we've been behind since day one


Anyway, all above....

 

[Jungle Jim]

Happy to see all is well with the folks on the thread. Have the beans in hand for the AF fem project. I will start another thread in the strains and hybrids fourm when I have info that is worthy to share.

Julian. Look at milo, I think it will remind you of something, large seed head that is the right color and profile. IMHO you are on the right track. Large planting and put the AF in the "middle" blend them in to look like they are in the low spot, where the water collects. The plants in the low spot always look different than the surrounding crops due to the standing water. They are stunted. Just an idea for you to kick around. Look at the way they transplant the large vegetable farms in CA. Tractor comes along, makes the furrow. There is a seat on a low slung "arm" that supports a man in a seat and he drops in the plant. then the tractor recovers the plant. Could plant many acres with two people, in the dark in only one day.

 

[dazednconfused]

was thinking of transferring them to the site in 16 oz cups....but they begin to get bulky after several hundred....is it easier to do an extreme amount in peat pellets? like those mini greenhouse 72 peat pellet things..?they are like 2'x1'....can fit like 15 in the trunk if you really wanted to..

fem seeds are good, somewhat uniform and they don't produce males. my question: is it possible to create fem seeds from these af's like auto ak47 that are stable???

 

[Julian]

Happy to see all is well with the folks on the thread. Have the beans in hand for the AF fem project. I will start another thread in the strains and hybrids fourm when I have info that is worthy to share.

Good. Looking forward to it. Same process coming up myself and haven't seen such yet (femming AF's, etc...as earlier, was trying to figure out treatment and such as no pre flowers, etc, etc...) Should be commencing soon myself.....I feel "behind schedule" already, but, probably fine...just pressure eating away at me...time...etc......Was just thinking yesterday/last night about running the other stuff right now for fem round......but wish I could have gotten them outside.....but, maybe for the best...someone else would have had to treat them, and, this season......not feeling too confident in people's reliability for such things.....ie: Daily treatment for stock round not the same as other tasks, etc...

Julian. Look at milo, I think it will remind you of something, large seed head that is the right color and profile. IMHO you are on the right track. Large planting and put the AF in the "middle" blend them in to look like they are in the low spot, where the water collects. The plants in the low spot always look different than the surrounding crops due to the standing water. They are stunted. Just an idea for you to kick around. Look at the way they transplant the large vegetable farms in CA. Tractor comes along, makes the furrow. There is a seat on a low slung "arm" that supports a man in a seat and he drops in the plant. then the tractor recovers the plant. Could plant many acres with two people, in the dark in only one day.

Well, different angles......

I've basically been, this season and lately, while driving, will ask 100 questions about everything we pass....ie "What is that?, When did they plant?, What is the season, How do they plant, when do they harvest"...all kinds of shit about everything I see.....but, the problem that I see for such (larger amount, etc) is the starts......I feel much more confident when I plant starts as opposed to broadcasting and such, but, when your talking 6 figures of starts .....But, that could be done out I suppose....one partner suggested we just stage a planting area, germ outside, when underway dig up and replant....lot of angles to that..calculating volume and numbers for the given space....starts right now seems to be my sticking point...although if field completely prepped and ready in advance.....(eh, had a thought...)...anyway, I feel better transplanting starts......and, again, would feed into risk minimization, etc....but, if your talking, again, 6 figures worth of starts....

We;ll see.......more time goes on and the more questions I ask and the more things I see all building to something........and, bright side is the further along I go, the safer and more certain I feel about it ...

Know exactly what your talking about regarding different spots, different elevations in fields, standing water, etc......exactly

You know....on full days....I'm on the road, seeing farms and operations and asking questions like......12 hours at a time? ......

Have someone I am considering to hold a significant position.....lived on and ran farms for many years, seems very well versed (much more than I on commercial agricultural day to day operations....)

See, the key (as I see it) is it being a 100% real and authentic operation to start with....(as far as neighbors and issues, etc.......Neighbors know your real....not going to have a problem....hence the above thoughts and approaches been contemplating....)

Has to be real.......

You know.......you play through the scenario of a visit from neighbors, suppliers, etc, and, if you can answer every reasonable and seemingly insignificant question, and, have it seems the norm?, well, your going to have a serious problem....

Applicable note: Was a cornfield grow somewhere.....(I looked it up Here it is.....listen carefully and pay close attention

I'm workin on it........

was thinking of transferring them to the site in 16 oz cups....but they begin to get bulky after several hundred....is it easier to do an extreme amount in peat pellets? like those mini greenhouse 72 peat pellet things..?they are like 2'x1'....can fit like 15 in the trunk if you really wanted to..

Actually less..........10" x 20" (I have so many of those trays thinking lately about throwing out 90% of them.....)

I use the larger plastic ones, and, know I can get about 600+/- or so into one of those, and fit about 3+/- in trunk more or less......(Plus, more than once I load inside of car up, they have lids, and are also stackable, so...can get up to 7 (4,000+/- one load) or so into my car more or less...can get 10+/- (6,000 one load) into larger trucks..

I love the 16-18 oz-but, yeah.....take up too much room.....my favorite, as above is the 3" peats, but, as above, this year just went straight with peat pellets most of the year......worked very, very , very well...Can't quite get the size of the 3"ers, and roots systems (by a longshot), but, they can get fairly nice, fairly quick, and transport issues , packing issues make them very attractive that way......

fem seeds are good, somewhat uniform and they don't produce males. my question: is it possible to create fem seeds from these af's like auto ak47 that are stable???

I've done a lot of fems.....no significant issues and very pleased and will always run more......

I think absolutely and have a feeling next season we are going to see quite a few running major AF fems

 

[Julian]

IMHO you are on the right track. Large planting and put the AF in the "middle" blend them in to look like they are in the low spot, where the water collects. The plants in the low spot always look different than the surrounding crops due to the standing water. They are stunted. Just an idea for you to kick around.

But, see, there are a lot of different angles.....

Farm situation is attractive because visible and known boundaries....

When talking AF and mini's, well, situation completely changes as far as stealth..

For example, as earlier in thread somewhere,
here's an unknown number of smaller ones in open field. As one can see, cameraman is standing right over them and have to look twice to spot them (I'm done large numbers in areas like this...but, as one see's.....there could be 50k...100k....could be looking at 20-40+ acres.....and, the discussion once turned to mixing seed in with soil...and spreading it (broadcasting) throughout field after frost right before heavier rains......with the above being the result (AF or Mini...or both.....)

A current project I have we did throughout, under the canopy in general.....ie: one in every open spot for a long distance, large area, etc....(plus, canopy, so, not many spaces which let in more than a plants worth), but, as far as aerial issues.....would be impossible to see them (I looked at a lot of aerial shots of region when starting...)

Above a very good example of the power and stealth of smaller plants......could be 100,000 more or less in vid above if they are spread out and as many as it appears initially (Which of course why you want to stick with fems.....even large ones.....I have to admit...we have missed a makle here and there...... (Last season walked into plot where we had been lot of times...maintenance,pull males only to see a nice big strong and healthy male in front of us wondering HTF we missed it ...must have stood there looking at each other, at plant for like 5 minutes ....)

Broadcast could also help with plausible deniability........(I love the corn one above....... They have the look of typical farmers )

 

[blackone]

was thinking of transferring them to the site in 16 oz cups....but they begin to get bulky after several hundred....is it easier to do an extreme amount in peat pellets? like those mini greenhouse 72 peat pellet things..?they are like 2'x1'....can fit like 15 in the trunk if you really wanted to..

fem seeds are good, somewhat uniform and they don't produce males. my question: is it possible to create fem seeds from these af's like auto ak47 that are stable???

Perhaps consider the Potmaker? I gave one to my mom last year as a birthday present and I almost wish I kept it myself
Very easy to use - just a scrap of newspaper and voila! a nice pot that the roots can easily grow through. This kind of pot is a little bigger than peat pellets of course, but with a nice soil mix you can easily veg a plant to a height of 15 cm in them, and they won't dry out as fast as peat pellets... They're also flexible meaning you can almost fit an almost optimal numbe in any tray.
http://kansasa.blogspot.com/2007/04/seedling-pot-maker-with-gardening.html

 

[dazednconfused]

that potmaker is cool, seems time consuming in larger amounts but i guess its alright when your watching tv baked lol...great way to stay under the radar too. would only have to buy the trays..

question: under 4' 8 lamp t-5s, mixed with promix...do you think they'd be ok for 2-3 weeks under good conditions before being put outside? don't want them getting root bound on me..

do you think planting right into a cow field or something is a lot less productive in terms of yield compared to an amended commercial field (i.e corn, hay, beans, etc.)

when the farmers put manure on their fields, would it be alright for 2-4 week old AFs??

 

[dazednconfused]

julian: what kind of stuff do you put in the broadcasters???

was thinking of turning over some random field soil somewhere and using a broadcaster to spread rich soil conditioner (or some fertilizer pelletes...maybe chicken poop or cricket?? probably need less N and more P and K though) and laced with a Mycorrhizae blend. should this be done before winter or early spring is ok?

seems like there is alot of shit out there..any recommendations??

 

[Julian]

Perhaps consider the Potmaker? I gave one to my mom last year as a birthday present and I almost wish I kept it myself
Very easy to use - just a scrap of newspaper and voila! a nice pot that the roots can easily grow through. This kind of pot is a little bigger than peat pellets of course, but with a nice soil mix you can easily veg a plant to a height of 15 cm in them, and they won't dry out as fast as peat pellets... They're also flexible meaning you can almost fit an almost optimal number in any tray.

Looks good, but, I mean, how well is the newspaper going to stand up to heavy watering,excess water, etc....

I've had the peat pots sometimes almost disintegrated after 2-3 weeks, so....I think the newspaper pots wouldn't make it a week with such moisture.....

do you think planting right into a cow field or something is a lot less productive in terms of yield compared to an amended commercial field (i.e corn, hay, beans, etc.)

Apples and oranges.........both carry different safety and security issues and different set of options.

Applicable to either is the bonus of smaller ones...out in the open......better sun, more circulation, etc.....my best things are always in my city spots (sun up till sun down and heavy winds constantly.....)......some of cleanest outdoor I've ever had......(and, best quality.....)

Different scenarios and no reason, assuming equal numbers, both couldn't be close to one another in every way........

when the farmers put manure on their fields, would it be alright for 2-4 week old AFs??

I have no idea. I'm still finding out how they prep and when and working that into how and what I know and prefer and in the end assume will settle on something in between.....I'd assume a lot of farms use fresh.....since they have endless supplies on site, and everywhere around them.....I wouldn't think they prep in fall before winter...but, could be wrong....

(I remember asking someone from that circle if they could get me some (manure), and, we were discussing what form it was in.....I think I recall my impression was it was fresh(er).....

julian: what kind of stuff do you put in the broadcasters???

I was referring to seed.....broadcast seeding.....(might be another term they use), but, I would assume you could do it with anything you like......)

was thinking of turning over some random field soil somewhere and using a broadcaster to spread rich soil conditioner (or some fertilizer pelletes...maybe chicken poop or cricket?? probably need less N and more P and K though) and laced with a Mycorrhizae blend. should this be done before winter or early spring is ok?

Some do winter (before) , some do spring.....sure different people would offer different commentary why they prefer which....

I've never done fall because, first of all, busy far into winter after harvest , plus sometimes don't know what I am going to be doing the following spring and where...ie: Even if I do the same locations, we may decide to do something different, might decide to dump one spot for any reason and do another, etc, etc...so, for me?...spring is always best, and, then sometimes we don't get in there earlier anyway....ie: Right now it would be idea to get in the spots I am keeping early spring, but, another aspect is finding the holes again anyway, so

Going to see about one spot...and leaving all stalks after we cut so we know where each is/was......and can build upon it as discussed earlier, but, again, that might change also.......

seems like there is alot of shit out there..any recommendations??

I do random dry mixes which vary from year to year to some degree...(I might see a sale on something and grab some, etc....) This year went with a lot of organics (manure, compost, humus and manure, worm castings, and different sources also.......which I don't usually the majority of the time......then a dry mix on top (bulk nutes, mixed the best I could figure)...then later in season I run out so get other things locally....then I start the next year sometimes with some of this, some of that, etc, and incorporate that.....so....

I would caution people though on budgeting.....and estimating how much one will need and use....

In all my cases?...always use much more and run short If I had a firm budget and couldn't?...well, would be a serious problem.....

This is probably one of heaviest prep years I have ever done.....and, I came out undersupplied several times in a row ....

Good news is...one spot?....I know now like the back of my hand and while I might not hit the same spot for every plant, will be very close to it (because I established a pattern and overview in my head where they all were)...the other spot? (location)....I know where all plots are, and a rough idea of all plants are (for next year), so, again...maybe we will try and leave them standing after cutting......not sure if they will remain, but, if I could do the same holes next year, would still bring stuff in, but not as much and probably holes would be very, very nice.....(nutritionally....)

My main concern always about too far in advance is just finding all the holes....

 

[southwind]

Checking in..

Checking in..

Just passing through..on my way to bed..after another round at the Outdoor Test Facility..tired..

Thanks Julian for the words..here and other places..

Sometimes I wonder how I get myself involved in TOO much..and find my plate over-loaded..to the point where it does not feel like a china plate at all..but one of those flimsy paper plates that you loaded up at an outdoor BBQ....WHEN YOU ARE WAY TOO HUNGRY.

and , well, you know what happens next..

The Outdoor Testing Facility..