MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[PHB]

Will be my last projects....(unless given another similar space afterwards )

Uh huh... of course it will be. :wink:

PHB

PS - looking forward to seeing the next grow progress!

 

[Julian]

.....well, unless....you know ....but, seriously....you know....anyone who goes big enough (for themselves) knows it takes a lot out of ya.......so...this last one...I was working longer than partners(vegging,supplies,planning,etc....ie: I started planning this last one about May before last season, so....they come in when ready to drill and plant, so...then I traveled and worked every weekend, busy every minute of week then back out, and, of course, then during week at night was planting my own, and, planted all around until August, then went right into beginning of harvest, so....you know........Last one took a lot out of me...

You hear people sometimes say the "no heart and soul" about the bigger ones .......(as they run back into their closet and jump into that armchair ...).....Pfffftttt..........It's the only thing that keeps ya going, ya know?..........the only things that make it possible in first place....the only thing to draw on when at a point most wouldn't proceed...(I know a few know what I'm talking about, and, I know many will never know what I'm talking about, and, some, will know one day what I'm talking about .....)

Like any other big project in life people put themselves through, to finish, no matter what the cost to them...physically..psychologically, etc...

My labor might be reduced on these, granted, but to a degree...(I don't believe in necessarily pushing everything off, because have to maintain that "I don't ask you to do anything I wouldn't do",and, if training, have to of course demonstrate, so.....plus then travel will be 5x more (Maybe 20hrs each way doorstep to doorstep,maybe every 2 weeks from prep until all packed and done) on this next one, so........Might end up being all I got (strength and energy wise...)

We'll see.....

I'm honored and humbled at the opportunity..

Wait till I start spittin out specs and total acreage to be utilized (indoor and out) and some indoor space pics...

 

[yamaha_1fan]

Julian, you are starting to excite me talking about the big indoor grow. I am ready to see an abandoned KMART filled with plants!!!!

You talk about a crew of a hundred? How the hell do you NOT get busted with that many lips running around? There is only a handful of people I would even think about asking to help.

I know, you are the AVON lady of pot. You run a pyramid. You get 5 people, they get 5 people, then they get 5 people, etc etc. If its all outdoor, every group has its own plot to manage and take care of.

Shit sounds like a terrorist cell.

You going to start a new thread for the indoor?

this thread is like the energizer bunny, just keeps going and going and going

 

[Julian]

Julian, you are starting to excite me talking about the big indoor grow. I am ready to see an abandoned KMART filled with plants!!!!

That's all?........and only 1?

Hmmm......

(I may not be able to go into specifics, or exactly what the facilities are, or even where, but, can still do indoor /interior pics, and, maybe an outdoor pic or two of buildings for size....don't want to give details, exterior pics because could be found that way....at least I could with some good exterior pics and a general location.

I will say multiple facilities, and, larger than that ..(told ya.........)

You talk about a crew of a hundred? How the hell do you NOT get busted with that many lips running around? There is only a handful of people I would even think about asking to help.

I know, you are the AVON lady of pot. You run a pyramid. You get 5 people, they get 5 people, then they get 5 people, etc etc. If its all outdoor, every group has its own plot to manage and take care of.

The rest of the world is much less forgiving when it comes to fucking off and mistakes. Existing crew, long term, non US.

100 existing crew. May add more if necessary. (And hopefully I can get their salaries tripled or more.....I don't like that corporate shit...ie: CEO makes 50MM a yr,couple triple employees salaries and still make 48MM, etc....) Adding more will alter a couple things..(because then we'll be training more, more work, etc, changes our end.) Will be me and "new" partner running it. (Actually a student/friend from like 20yrs ago..started training him 25yrs ago......never really finished ....)

Shit sounds like a terrorist cell.

Nah, that's my MO. I have to work with what I have on these....within my power, etc.

You going to start a new thread for the indoor?

Will continue both and at some point when ready to add specs and pics and specifics will start both new. (Part II ...)

Still a lot to work out...already have first problem on plate (stock...not enough time to run it right now and nothing set up to run volume needed, so...problem number one already on the plate ) Don't have the sources to get what I want (would like to run the OG's...), but, will try and make it the best possible...have okay amount of sour bubble stock, have minor amount of the pink lemon solid stuff..all in all a total of maybe 1,000 on hand, so, if I ran those out for a seed crop, might be okay with what's needed.......We'll see.......that's first problem......working on something, but, won't be enough (won't be more than 100,000...)....anyway....really a lot of work to do and things to work out...if this would have come up 6 months ago before last crop done I could have used that.....whatever..long story...

We will see ...lot still to be addressed.

(I've also got to do some crash courses on commercial agricultural machinery, methods,etc,etc ...)

 

[kbn727]

Might try to locate seeds in quantity from origin regions producing seeded crops for hash production, might have the quantity and possible quality of seeds on hand to wet your appetite. not quite as nice as a hardcore indoor seed crop of known quality- who's gonna complain about some nice SB on the market and everyone will want some regardless of when it hits the market. You'd need what, 100k female seeds, at a qp a plant or a much higher number considering lead time to produce the seeds yourself seeds, 4-6times? that for a late season run for your 48 MM. open border areas, get paid in euros. Could be set for life in some areas with a run like that; if you can get rid of it all keep it up.

 

[Julian]

No, current run might be 100k. Fem. Needs are far,far beyond that. Target is

Lead time not a problem if from seed and adequate facilities to handle volume. Actually, I don't think target /approximate numbers are going to enable prepping as I usually do it. They probably just broadcast.Depends how I can map it all out as far as starts/rounds, etc. I know I can do about 1-2,000 starts per 1k with 1 week turnaround,(prefer 2) but, that still doesn't realistically come close to hitting target(s). (So 30k veg would only be 60k per week ready. Not even close I think to what's needed)

50MM just a figure given in example (ie: Operations where owners receive all rewards, workers starve and live in shacks. Completely against my principles, and, they're going to be taken care of when around even if has to come out of our end. More than enough from something of current size, let alone planned expansion to take very good care of all.)

(50 might actually be low estimate. I don't have exact historical specs yet. Location has been partially done out for a long time, not utilizing all, (no hash from trim,etc) and, indoor facilities stand empty, always have.

I have/will have absolutely nothing to do with anything regarding where it goes, or is shipped, or crossing borders. (DEA/ICE/FBI/INTERPOL). I shop, I train, I advise,I produce, I get paid. Ends there. I have no idea where it will go, nor is it my business. (Indoor may very well stay in region and go to resort areas for tourists....)

Seeded/M-F for hash is complete waste of time and resources, as yield of plant directly corresponds to yield for hash, and, more than enough seed can be made from a fraction of a crop for future. ie: Per 1000 plants, can utilize 30-50 for seed. (I prefer my own, which is keep best things, and use everything else for hash, and, I usually have more than I know what to do with (bubble)...ie: Do you get more hash per 100lbs seeded?, or per 100lbs unseeded? ..

 

[InjectTruth]

Julian, the inspiration never stops pouring out of this thread. Just dealing with the myriad issues that are coming up with my first few grows that aren't classified as 'micro', has made me gawk in awe at how you not only do what you do with the green, but you do a million other things as well!

Really making me think I should snip the 'locks and get a job

 

[Julian]

Julian, the inspiration never stops pouring out of this thread.

Well thanks man......

Not sure about future ones, because, due to size, I mean, whose really going to be able to draw anything, but, you know, somewhere in all this "meaningless, irrelevant babbling", other things might come out , so.....

Just dealing with the myriad issues that are coming up with my first few grows that aren't classified as 'micro',

What's wrong man?...what's goin on?...what's the problem?....

Are you sticking to basics or is "advanced" knowledge confusing you? (Like it does a lot of people, they do fine until they learn too much, ya know? .......)

has made me gawk in awe at how you not only do what you do with the green, but you do a million other things as well!

Cause I'm a sick fuck..... (seriously ..)....adrenaline problem?....obsession?......not sure man, wish I could stop it.......

Really making me think I should snip the 'locks and get a job

Well......If you start your own business......appearance becomes less of an issue......Lot of industries too allow much more than others....(tech is a fairly loose industry for some......) You know man, jobs are endless...everyone knows something they can turn into money......so...

On the other hand?...it is just hair....and, has nothing to do with who you actually are...(I know...people then say "well, this is who I really am".....No, it's what you like...it's how you look today....(and, that is spoken by someone who can look 10 different ways depending on when and where you see me, so .....I don't want to get too far into that but, a lot know I'm from street, also jam/musician, so....use your imagination .......) You know...you do what you want, feel , like......

I don't like it any more than the next guy that people care so much about appearance, and, could fuckin rant for days on the subject....but, you know...people are fuckin stupid and I've come to accept that (Even being the boss to a degree I still have bouts with such issues, etc, with outside companies and such, so, you know man.....what can ya do, ya know?

You have two choices:
Either you fit yourself into the world around you.....
Or you create the world around you you want.

Ya know?.......

Too bad you didn't post this a couple weeks ago and have a brokerage account...could have tipped you on something VERY safe that would have made you about 200% on your money in 2 weeks.....(triple?...when you factor in margin and channeling daily profit into next day...who knows...doubled, tripled...200%-250%....

 

[blynx]

Did you use finer or more course sizes?, and, why do you think that is? (because too much moisture?, stay moist too long, not drying out?, etc?)

Anyway, point was not to clone in crystals , Point was more can be added if appropriate measures taken to counter expansion which might buy some a little more time and moisture here and there.

I used soil moist. I actually thought it would work great because in addition to the moisture there were also oxygen bubbles throughout the container.

I think the reason it didn't work was that the container I used contained all expanded crystals. There wasn't any excess water, it was all in the crystals. Since the clones did not have roots, they were unable to pull water from the crystals. The micro area around the stem was 'moist' but not 'wet'.

I even tried rooting hormone on some of the clones and that didn't make them root either.

 

[Julian]

Gotcha........I've never tried either, plants or clones, but, know plants possible, have seen lot of good examples, wasn't sure about clones, but, really has me thinking about use for outdoor and trips and such as above......I would think though still would have worked with the clones.......maybe a little excess moisture?....I'm going to try a sample run for my own curiosity next time I have the chance....

 

[blynx]

Hmmmmmmm...........

So, I know lot of people (including myself ) take clones from their outdoor plants..(I'm a 6hr round trip more or less on last op), so.........this got me thinking........(maybe bottom 2 inches, 3 inches, etc, of large cooler expanded crystals......hold them in place, be able to efficiently hold maybe double, triple, quadruple the volume? (because gel would hold them more firmly in place, tighter spacing?..........)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................

I think you could go so far as to submerge them in a container of expanded crystals. I think it ill keep them moist, not soggy nor rotted, for more than long enough to get stuff out of the field and to a safe location.

Thanks Julian for all your awesome information and the time you've taken to share it, I know I've learned a ton!!!

I've been following this and the indoor thread since the beginning. Glad I archived ALL this priceless knowledge (including your original indoor post before you cleaned house wow is there a LOT of information, about a 1200 page pdf

Since I'm working my way backwards from my target date, '08 outdoor is already underway even tho its still the middle of winter. So much work, so little time......and I can hardly wait until I can actually put a plant in the ground

 

[Julian]

I think you could go so far as to submerge them in a container of expanded crystals. I think it ill keep them moist, not soggy nor rotted, for more than long enough to get stuff out of the field and to a safe location.

I think would be perfect....absolutely....would work well......tight fit, efficient spacing....your onta something man!!!...

Thanks Julian for all your awesome information and the time you've taken to share it, I know I've learned a ton!!!

Very kind of you to say, but, no,no...Thank you! ....(great idea above......I like it, think it might work well for a lot of people....)

I've been following this and the indoor thread since the beginning.

Really, well, fuck man, then your a better man than me! Indoor was pretty long too I guess......

Glad I archived ALL this priceless knowledge (including your original indoor post before you cleaned house wow is there a LOT of information, about a 1200 page pdf

........1200? really?........fuck , and it all made sense? ......

Since I'm working my way backwards from my target date, '08 outdoor is already underway even tho its still the middle of winter. So much work, so little time......and I can hardly wait until I can actually put a plant in the ground

Yeah...when I do clones and such I usually start around Jan 1st, so, I'm sure (Feb 1st in a couple minutes I guess....) Yeah man, time fuckin creeps up on ya, doesn't it ....(I'm wayyyyy behind schedule already :badday", especially now with this new potential thing....)....Well, best of luck brother.....best of luck....hope 08' best for everyone.....

"So much work, so little time."

FUckin A man......right?

 

[InjectTruth]

Well thanks man......
What's wrong man?...what's goin on?...what's the problem?....

Are you sticking to basics or is "advanced" knowledge confusing you? (Like it does a lot of people, they do fine until they learn too much, ya know? .......)

You got it. My beginners luck must be all used up, because I used to get away with murder and still crop nicely. I have recently moved up from fluoro cabs to a 1000 hps room, and a 4x8 room with 2 digi 600's. Last summer, I pulled 5 zips off of a 250w hps cab I had, so when I set up my 1000, I was expecting good numbers (at least 20z). I got 8 oz. http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77649

Temps are 75 - 85F daytime and 65 - 70F nighttime. A Stanley blower is exhausting the cab through the cool tube, simultaneously cooling the bulb. I finally vectored in on the bulb and the soil. The bulb was already used at another location for around 6 months, both as veg and bloom. It was throwing off hardly any heat and was visibly less bright.

The soil Ive been reusing, just by amending it after each cycle and adding beneficials. I may have pushed the limit and altered the texture considerably.

Aside from those type of issues, just trying to consistently produce clones and deciding what style of grow to use to be most productive is more difficult than I thought. When I was working in 22" headroom cabs with tube fluoros, I naturally would SOG using 1l containers, flipping almost immediately after rooting to prevent overgrowing.

Now, with 5 feet of headroom and a floor space that can easily hold 100+ plants in one gallons, its a different story. I havent been seeing the typical amount of stretch when I flip to 12/12 either.

Ughh, I could go on and on, but just check out the link above and this one, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=75427 , which covers the 1200w room, and you will get an idea of how jumbled everything is for me. Even 0.5gpw would be tremendous for me at this wattage, but 0.25gpw is not cutting it.

Well......If you start your own business......appearance becomes less of an issue......Lot of industries too allow much more than others....(tech is a fairly loose industry for some......) You know man, jobs are endless...everyone knows something they can turn into money......so...

On the other hand?...it is just hair....and, has nothing to do with who you actually are...(I know...people then say "well, this is who I really am".....No, it's what you like...it's how you look today....(and, that is spoken by someone who can look 10 different ways depending on when and where you see me, so .....I don't want to get too far into that but, a lot know I'm from street, also jam/musician, so....use your imagination .......) You know...you do what you want, feel , like......

I don't like it any more than the next guy that people care so much about appearance, and, could fuckin rant for days on the subject....but, you know...people are fuckin stupid and I've come to accept that (Even being the boss to a degree I still have bouts with such issues, etc, with outside companies and such, so, you know man.....what can ya do, ya know?

You have two choices:
Either you fit yourself into the world around you.....
Or you create the world around you you want.

Ya know?.......

I'm really glad you posted that. The business issue is something Im itching to get up and running again. Im not sure if you read it, but I sent you a PM a while back with some non specific details of my situation. I actually have a successful model that was already running, and had to be shut down due to extenuating circumstances. I cant wait to get that going again.

Normally, I can come up with a little scratch here and there but with my bills at the level they are now, I really want to pick up a daily grind to help. I have isolated myself, despite being in a metro area, as a result of my current hobby, and its really dwindled my connections to jobs and the outside world in general. So when I have looked for jobs recently, none of them are through an inside line, like a friend, old co-worker, etc. Just cold off the street or over the phone. I hate to wait on harvests but at the time its the only option I seem to have.

Too bad you didn't post this a couple weeks ago and have a brokerage account...could have tipped you on something VERY safe that would have made you about 200% on your money in 2 weeks.....(triple?...when you factor in margin and channeling daily profit into next day...who knows...doubled, tripled...200%-250%....

Oooh man, I hope that oppurtunity will come around again! I do have a brokerage account (DAMN YOU SPRINT!), so yeah, any tips you want to let slide in this direction will be well received.

I'd also like to mention that this past September, I harvested my very first outdoor plants, thanks to this thread. It was two small clones planted LATE in July, literally in a pile of stone. It was an abandoned lot with a large pile of building debris (cinder block, brick, gravel) that had HUGE (15ft tall, 3ft in diameter) weeds and bushes growing out of it.

I made some amended holes with crystals, got them in the night before rains, watered once in the second week, and that was it. Went back to harvest. Only got about a quarter ounce, but it was SourD, and now I know it is possible

Well, anyway, thanks for letting me jack the thread with my issues du jour. Keep it rocking Jules :headbang:

 

[Julian]

You got it. My beginners luck must be all used up, because I used to get away with murder and still crop nicely.

Well, honestly, I did see a couple things......

I can tell you right now (not negative, most would agree..) As a newer grower, your all over the place before learning how to get uniform results and performance......ie: Your doing soil, DWC,talking ebb and flow.......Dude man....relax....stick with one....master one....(or, at least get good grip and handle on one before moving to next.....Lot of people run different things at different locations, etc, etc, but, if your new to it, I mean, a lot of people have problems as is just getting the hang of one thing.....your trying to get all of em ...(I've got everything imaginable in storage spaces, I could open a store , but, get one down man.....

The bulb was already used at another location for around 6 months, both as veg and bloom. It was throwing off hardly any heat and was visibly less bright.

Gotta remember bulbs...lot of people forget.....if you can afford it always buy extra (saves you a trip to store when your in an uncomfortable spot, bear harvest, etc..last thing you want to do (anyone) is be shopping when your full, ya know? ...)

Aside from those type of issues, just trying to consistently produce clones and deciding what style of grow to use to be most productive is more difficult than I thought.

Ahhh......see, there's the answer and addressed above....

The most productive is the one you do best, get best results, have most knowledge, and, feel comfortable with ....If your hit in yield on learning curve and doing couple different things....your yielding less anyway, so.......One is most productive when good working knowledge, minimal problems, and can rely on performance...ie: sure, another method may yield more than anothyer, but, if your doing same or smaller yields due to learning curve for a certain period of time, I mean...(taking into consideration no location is forever, possible breaks in future due to events not anticipated, etc....

Now, with 5 feet of headroom and a floor space that can easily hold 100+ plants in one gallons, its a different story. I havent been seeing the typical amount of stretch when I flip to 12/12 either.

Well, if you feel comfortable with the numbers, very well might be best right there regardless of medium, method, etc...one gallons only for the small ones, and, of course, keep in mind that 5ft really might make any difference as your not getting any penetration with light anyway, so......that's what I'd do with space...100-1gallons, flip down lights asap, etc, small, uniform, good coverage (light), but, then again your at numbers man, so, you better keep your game tight....(same space you could do...whatever....4-6-8-10, etc...maybe scrogging if that's what you were doing before and getting better results, etc ya know?.....

I'm really glad you posted that. The business issue is something Im itching to get up and running again. Im not sure if you read it, but I sent you a PM a while back with some non specific details of my situation. I actually have a successful model that was already running, and had to be shut down due to extenuating circumstances. I cant wait to get that going again.

I'm sorry if I didn't reply.....try to get to everything....(100% I saw it, just if a long reply than I think I will get to it later and then by that time, posts, a bunch more, etc, some things get lost....sorry man....

Well, so, there you go, and, you know man...you do what you can..(where you can, when you can, how you can ....applies to everything ...)

I have isolated myself, despite being in a metro area, as a result of my current hobby, and its really dwindled my connections to jobs and the outside world in general.

Happens to a lot of people..(most aren't aware of it though or convince themselves they like it better that way). "Hobby" is exactly that....only takes a little bit of time here and there, so....fill the gaps, do what you want..Don't let it run you....

I hate to wait on harvests but at the time its the only option I seem to have.

"extra" money man...extra money....better of filling time..(op, business, job(s),women, etc.....)

(Something could happen tomorrow and could be shut down and then what........green's always "back burner"...not to be "relied" upon.....

Oooh man, I hope that oppurtunity will come around again! I do have a brokerage account (DAMN YOU SPRINT!), so yeah, any tips you want to let slide in this direction will be well received.

Happens all the time, will keep you in mind...one just has to be patient and choose opportunities wisely...

I'd also like to mention that this past September, I harvested my very first outdoor plants, thanks to this thread. It was two small clones planted LATE in July, literally in a pile of stone. It was an abandoned lot with a large pile of building debris (cinder block, brick, gravel) that had HUGE (15ft tall, 3ft in diameter) weeds and bushes growing out of it.

I made some amended holes with crystals, got them in the night before rains, watered once in the second week, and that was it. Went back to harvest. Only got about a quarter ounce, but it was SourD, and now I know it is possible

Nutes with crystals? Dry mix?....You should have got more even with marginal soil....sounds like some of my spots ....Bet ya wish you would have done more and a little more work eh? ....well, yield aside....you did it, so......even with such, you get some knowledge and "feel" under your belt, so...(I just wish you would have did 100 .....) How big were they? How deep did you go? You can also water bottom of hole also.....(and throw some crystals in your water/nutes too when you do bottom of hole...) How did they finish? (height?...1/4 they must have been pretty small.) Was yield due to size or feed issues or hole or what???

Well, anyway, thanks for letting me jack the thread with my issues du jour. Keep it rocking Jules :headbang:

No problem man.....nice pic(s) too btw.....

 

[HOVAH]

J: you got me thinkin bout using a commerical building/office to grow, is it less of a risk, will the owner come to inspect the business. I wanna use 30k, will elect. company be concerned about usage, will the city send inspectors.. basically when renting commerical property what are the pitfalls of a grow op. TY HOVAH

 

[Julian]

Well this is outdoor thread, and, I'm in outdoor mode , but, not owning anything is always risky due to most things that people know and a lot that people actually don't know..Inspections and stuff are nothing to throw one off as long as they know in advance (you just call city and ask and talk with owner about it. If you were buying,would be the norm to check when last was done, review reports from last, review certificate of compliance of whatever municipality does and issues....ie: It's not suspicious to call and ask and find out everything you have to...it's responsible/thorough...it's paying attention to all details.

Problem with commercial/industrial is that of course whole different ballgame as far as financing is concerned, so.....(as far as buying....)

As far as owner.....well, that is more of an issue with commercial than residential......your story, the use,etc, etc...

It's all risky man and it all carries long lists of bullshit, no matter what you do and where you do it...

I will say this
Mixed use inner city properties (offices/storefronts first floors with basements and apartments above) are a little easier to buy, basements to storefronts can be utilized while storefront covered and empty, (basement(s) used)and, not a bad idea ....

Edit:All depends who and what you are as far as what you can/could get away with. I can give 5-10 different legitimate uses for a space and converse in depth about them, well versed in property, etc, so.....for someone who can't?...might be more of a problem...see what I mean? They will want to know what business, what kind of use of space, and endless list of questions that you might not have to answer, etc, etc, but, anything you can't to their satisfaction will make them a little suspicious about your motives, etc (And, all aside.....they need their money, and, have to make sure they get it, ya know?......Some might even decide even with legitimate story they don't want that business in their facility for any number of reasons, etc, etc...

 

[phrank]

transporting clones...

transporting clones...

Here's how we cut clones from outdoor plants, and then transport them to other locations:

Clones are cut to approximately equal lengths.
Clones are bunched together like a bouqet of flowers.
Cut ends are wrapped in wet paper towels.
Paper toweled ends go into a plastic baggie, which is held in place with a twist tie - be gentle.
"Bouquets" go into cooler.
Many such bouqets can be packed into a cooler.

My apologies if this is old hat.

phrank

Don't forget to label your "bouqets."

 

[Julian]

Yeah, but, see, I've never used that method anyway...plus, prep and unpack adds a lot of time.(in heat, seems like twice as much time ) For me, I'd rather just cut,position, and , when back, slip right into final place.

I really like the gel idea. Prep coolers, hit spots, go home.Minimal time and exposure at each spot, and, on your way. Slip em in as fast as you can cut em, etc....seems like extremely large volume possible in very short period of time that way.

 

[Julian]

Was just talking about something, and, touching on indoor (not exclusively), will be penning some security commentary which really hasn't been touched on before. (As said elsewhere, I try to share what I can, but, never share everything I know ..this will actually share a little more advanced things most don't discuss and aren't aware of.......

In some cases will share because enough time has passed, in some cases will share because is a fresh push on it lately, etc....(Properties, management companies, current and proposed industry ethics and regulations,K9's-training methods, capabilities,specifics,etc.....)

We'll see how it comes out when done, all flows into everything else, so, very well might start at one point and continue into others, but, indoor will be touched on due to properties.

I don't really believe in repeating the same shit over and over, so, will try to only make it thing never addressed anywhere ....

(Not today, busier day,woke up little while ago and going out within couple hours,and, busy weekend but, throwing down points when I have a second, and will put up when enough touched on.....)

 

[tripples]

throw a little ice in there to keep em cool in that heat ya think?