MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[buzzy]

and they LOVE American Men.QUOTE]
haha, not the ones i know...

But the best place in EU. is Spain hands down, plus the women soo horney, they just love f*ckin all the time and they are gorgious.

lmao, nice generalisation... I'll bear that in mind...

yeah, i like that Barry Cooper dude too, seems like he's on the ball...

 

[Julian]

Yeah, I looked into Spain seriously...(almost bought something there, larger parcel of land, great area, astounding house....glad I didn't though ...not ready...would have had to try and rent, etc...considered tourist/furnished rentals and marketing, etc...didn't........)

I prefer Asian and Latinas (Asian first choice.....)

I'd agree that latinas very passionate women ......(I wrote and deleted all my US critiques.......eh......whatever )

Let's just say people in different places have different mindsets and values ....

Yeah, Barry Cooper ...I like em......can't say anything negative about a narc who turns activist and produces anti-LE media products..

(I laughed first time I read bio....knew the guys whole story .....)

Yeah, lot of those shows (clips on his site)......people are fuckin scary.."regular" people ....

Can't say anything bad about someone putting the work in like he is, ya know?.....and looks like he's building momentum also.....

Edit: Plus of course I will watch what I say because if he's releasing grow related stuff, you know he's floating around here now and then ...

 

[Julian]

Next project under discussion and debating the use to anyone of an MOCG II, as will be a scale most aren't even aware exists .....(but it does, in many places ..)

We will see.....will be decided shortly....(and have to discuss positions on pics, and, figure out how since nearest phone and power maybe 500miles away....)

Not sure if will say details here before killed or in start of new one (land, acres, size, estimated plant numbers, very, very rough location, etc)....

We will see......

 

[Reinhold]

Hey Julian, good to see ya still here. Had a question for you, Im looking to do a big op in a desert mountainous region, so we have not much rain till maybe august, areas really remote though. Temperatures not too bad but can climb up there.

Some lakes and ponds etc but those areas tend to have a lil more more traffic come that time of year. Any ideas? Im thinking maybe lots of minis late? The vegetation tends to green up lots more then so they'd be more easy to blend in and probably gettin some decent rain.

Thanks Jules!

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian, good to see ya still here.

Thanks man....ehhh, I'm always around..

Had a question for you, Im looking to do a big op in a desert mountainous region, so we have not much rain till maybe august, areas really remote though. Temperatures not too bad but can climb up there.

Well, I don't want to ask what region (and, you shouldn't say either)....but, couple aspects about such environments:

1. Lot of "desert" areas actually do have sometimes fair ground water sources, so, one might want to look up the fine print as far as how to locate those...

2.Temps not necessarily a problem....(some of hottest places on earth have heavy, heavy production and some serious quality, so.....) it's lack of moisture...but, of course, usage, like all aspects directly rises in proportion to other things...to a degree.....so, I'd be worried about volume required, how frequent, and, really, issue that would concern me most is keeping enough moisture until they are "established" enough to handle a little less...(But then, with heat, they might not be able to handle a little less.......

One also has to remember surface conditions.....ie: Surface conditions vary from down below...Saw something on Sahara (mentioned earlier...).....forgot specifics, maybe earlier in thread cause was fresh, but, 6" below or something like that surface temps were surprisingly low..,....so....little help (some kind of mulch, covering, etc, maybe raised a little....could help right there....but, what would concern me more is surrounding vegetation, and lack of possible cover...ie: if nothing around, they'd be out in the "open" big time as far as being able to be spotted, but, below says river and lakes, so.......I'd say best would be to target areas with good vegetation (which also might indicate good ground water sources.......) help with stealth, etc....

Then again...an upside of such a location can be things can be done later and have good results because you have a longer stretch until first frost (if any ....)

(I'm getting my research done right now on new areas..........)

If rains roll in in August and later......then might narrow your obstacles down to just getting them in and keeping them okay until rains start to come in and weather starts to cool down a bit......

Might want to check the August/Sept/October rain fall, and, as always, any and everything you do to get them in can affect rest of season....deeper they get more you will get away from surface temps.....cooler for roots, hold moisture a little better....but, depending you might have to either start them outside and keep an eye on them (moisture, when they're just getting started...single day can fry them if eye not kept on em) and do what you can as far as prep...hole......even for small ones....

(I might be thinking conditions a little more harsh than what they are.....also...so........you might be good to go....lot of people do rounds in areas which are not great conditions (soil, weather, rain etc...ask any AZ,NM,TX and other similar area growers, you know?....they get it done....

(Some of the hardest core product I have ever seen was AZ done.....so....)

Some lakes and ponds etc but those areas tend to have a lil more more traffic come that time of year. Any ideas? Im thinking maybe lots of minis late? The vegetation tends to green up lots more then so they'd be more easy to blend in and probably gettin some decent rain.

Okay, lakes, ponds, rains, little green to blend in....sounds a little more favorable.....but, all conditions and everything above might apply.....

Another aspect is while full sun is great for many reasons, and , a lot think that is what they want.....eh, what it brings with it is brutal conditions even in areas not considered "desert"...(hell, my city plots are full sun, and, I see some brutal temps sometimes in the past........due to lack of ground cover, full exposure, etc, and, in the end, sometimes one is better off getting a partially shaded spot....gives ground a little cooling off, which reflects on surface and under surface conditions, which reflects also on moisture......(less evaporation on surface....)

Problem later in season with higher temps and such is getting them started and getting them in, so...you can always start them outside (and,m if a lot, and small, I mean, they're not several feet, so.....starts can be done in most spots people think they never would due to smaller sizes.....I've germed 1,000 plus before in what could be considered "plain view"....except for they were only 1-2" tall , so...how plain is that? .....

Issue also getting them in and keeping them okay until they get established, "grab"......and, moisture issues...(hole, crystals, etc).....

Assuming wouldn't be using native soil....issue also will you be doing any maintenance at all or just trying to get away with no maintenance.....(of course, if it's your area...you kind of have an idea as to conditions, what they are and when, so.......)

Smaller worked into any vegetation might work well..(if surrounding vegetation and green...ground should be halfway decent with some moisture somewhere....depending on what kind of plants......

Working them in might also give them a little partial shade at some point in the day and also help with evaporation and moisture issues......

Of course......it's all connecting all factors together......moisture, existing vegetation, temps, shading, soil, hole, prep, nutes....each and every aspect feeds off the other..(just like indoor)...smaller ones will drink less than larger, so, there's a bonus right there.....good sun will give smaller ones a better yield, so, there's another bonus right there..(plus any hole...)...My city ones in brutal conditions....one thing I can say is they are always, consistently, my best product.....hands down...blows everything away...

I got a little sidetracked...lost train of thought......not sure if I missed anything.....

I mean, your area...you know better than I about all above......so....really only issue (in almost all cases) is the moisture.....which you can address a couple ways....holes, prep, later planted (as above,water consumption corresponds to size and conditions...)......so, you address your obstacles......every place has it'[s own set of obstacles.....sometimes easy to get around, sometimes harder......moisture always seems to be number one for anyone anywhere....

Thanks Jules!

No problem man.....just hope was of some help.....I'm a little rusty on such locations...(did when young....but, back then, was a little different (eradication efforts...)....you kind of did what you wanted to and didn't have to worry about it as much....

Edit: Train of thought back...knew I forgot something......

Also might of course completely affect strain selection depending on season as a whole......might want to go with later things if location and length of season can handle it.....will get better yields if going later (see, overlooked because long, long time since I did anything past mid October)....will still get some size to them and environment may let them go longer...so, might "make it up on back end"...eradication efforts might be less of an issue if going later also depending on region (note: I do always recommend to everyone to always do a search of an area one wants to do for past and current efforts...anything you can find....can give you good insight as to what the area holds......

I don't know where I wrote it (indoor or here) but a long time ago I was considering an area for a project, did some checking on it, and, found one side of area, busts everywhere, all the time....opposite direction....found basically none..,..just couple in passing....so, that completely altered everything even before even started.........and, probably worked out for the better,......

Had I not one that simple, small, short task.........I might have got cracked........because my original area was fuckin hot!!!!!

Note: That applies to indoor or outdoor....period....

Anyway.......

Yeah.......you might want to ponder strain selection.......if I could go later, I would be doing a lot of things I don't usually......

Perception/Psychology:
You know....when your dealing with small plants in veg.....eh, no problem.....no problem....they start to get larger, and larger?...more of a problem...once they hit flower and profile changes?.....that's a problem....(I usually don't get nervous out until like....August....they've become giants, etc, and, once into flower and starting to get that profile?.....I fuckin don't sleep for months.........So...another angle about going later, smaller, with longer finishers.....Full blown eradication efforts (if any in area) might have died down if your doing a very late finisher....so, yet another angle......

I'm pondering these angles more lately because next op may very well be in place with year round gorgeous weather....(no eradication efforts, 100% protected)..so.....shifting my thinking more to late things....(no limitations on space also, so, really, can do anything I want, and everything I want to.....space not an issue, finishing targets not an issue, etc...so, I'm kind of shifting into mindset of a lot of issues above myself........(late, heat, ground, etc...)...best I will say now is it's between Canada and Argentina ......and Hawaii and the PI.....

 

[bigdaredevil418]

u really need some pictures man


bdd

 

[Julian]

You mean besides the other 122....... (exact count)

I'll get right on that. Thanks for reading ...

Edit: My mistake........112 is exact count.

 

[islandgrow]

Hey Julian this question may have been asked but its 76 pages and I haven't read em all. What do you for security at home? how do you deal with paying for everything in cash? you can't put the money in the bank correct? does that draw heat?

hope I'm not crossing the line, just that aspect has always interested me.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Awesome thread Julian!

Just getting into growing outdoors... did so in Holland but had to finish indoors due to shitty backyard and lots of rain.

Now im in Australia and lovin that sunshine

Great advice too bro

 

[HOVAH]

Oh Shit!, not Prop Joe too!

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian this question may have been asked but its 76 pages and I haven't read em all. What do you for security at home? how do you deal with paying for everything in cash? you can't put the money in the bank correct? does that draw heat?

hope I'm not crossing the line, just that aspect has always interested me.

Most above already in thread.Probably pages addressing it.

If there's something on your mind and not already addressed, feel free to phrase it a different way and I might add to it...

Awesome thread Julian!

Thanks man....just offer what I can.Glad of interest and use.

Just getting into growing outdoors... did so in Holland but had to finish indoors due to shitty backyard and lots of rain.

Now im in Australia and lovin that sunshine

Wow....now there's a difference in climate ....Know lot that can be done down there too ...

Great advice too bro

Well thanks man....kind of you to say and do what I can.....

Who knows, maybe we'll turn the new one into a multi-DVD set ...

Oh Shit!, not Prop Joe too!

Ahhhhhhhh......you saw that one huh?.......

They're on ondemend a week in advance and, ondemend is free to all subscribers....(ie: If you have HBO, then you have ondemend......) Next one on in couple hours.....and I am sure everyone will love the ending to the next one...(my favorite scene in all first 7 episodes .....fuckin hardcore ..)

Note: I really love that "Breaking Bad" on AMC..(they are running it couple times on Sunday night also....fuckin loved the first episoide........Not in league with Wire and such....kind of like "Weeds" but with an edge ...

 

[GroBoy2000]

I don't know where I wrote it (indoor or here) but a long time ago I was considering an area for a project, did some checking on it, and, found one side of area, busts everywhere, all the time....opposite direction....found basically none..,..just couple in passing....so, that completely altered everything even before even started.........and, probably worked out for the better,......

Had I not one that simple, small, short task.........I might have got cracked........because my original area was fuckin hot!!!!!

Thanks again, started to realize there is so much more around than I thought....

 

[Julian]

Yeah, always check area first to see what kind of activity your up against....could be surprised (pleasantly or not.....)

The case above....yeah, one area just under the gun big time...indoor, outdoor, city, county,local,state,DEA,etc....other, opposite direction, much, much less activity, just an occasional indoor cracked.....

I still look back and think about that property sometimes......spectacular property in every way, but,area was red hot....I would have also done outdoor close by and found that it hadthe highest amount of outdoors grabbed in the entire state ...

 

[Julian]

Crystals........

Was just talking to someone, and, yes, you can actually grow plants right in the crystals (not sure about cloning....don't see why not)...

Thought that was pretty interesting.(And, yes, you can....it's done....can find examples on crystal sites....) I thought was pretty interesting ....


Edit: So, of course those in areas with less rainfall say "Can I use more", and, of course, sure, (up to 10% of medium ), but, issue is as earlier, that too much can actually "lift/push" your soil and plant right out of the holes (I've seen examples of that), so, then it's basically you'd have to do your hole, fill say, halfway, etc, wet it down....soak.....so they all absorb, and then finish the fill etc.....(Or first rain it might push it all up,change position of plant, etc, etc....so, that's one of reasons I do how I do (crystals in nutes/water, then dry mixed in with dry nute mix, etc, etc......)

Have to watch their expansion......

 

[phrank]

planting strategy question

planting strategy question

Assume that two well developed (1 month old) seedlings are planted. The 1st is planted June 1st, and the 2nd is planted June 21st. Will the seedling planted June 1st mature before the seedling planted June 21st?

phrank

 

[Julian]

Assume that two well developed (1 month old) seedlings are planted. The 1st is planted June 1st, and the 2nd is planted June 21st. Will the seedling planted June 1st mature before the seedling planted June 21st?
phrank

Is that a trick question?

I've seen "maturity" used in 2 different context's, one finishing and the other the time when supposedly the plant is "ready" to flower, which of course we know at this point in time has completely changed given 12/12 from seed and such, etc, making one wonder about it in general (at least me, "maturity"....talking seed of course....)

(Although, even late, and 12/12 from seed one will find takes time to grab, maybe 2 weeks or so, so, the ages given in the past may just be changed to like 2 weeks, etc.....I remember reading 60 days for "maturity"......tiem to build up hormones and such I believe.....?....)

See, one aspect to remember when talking seed (and I run a lot of seed...) is of course even when something somewhat uniform, all are individuals and will vary, so.....I think it would depend on region and I know depends on the spot also (sun, exposure, etc....) For example most of the time when I run the same thing, harvest window is anywhere from 2 weeks to a month,so......

This year I had things done throughout the season (continuously) and some finished earlier, and, some when I expected..(Should be noted I always veg 24/0 also....)

(Of note: My "lower" spots seem to always come in a little earlier than higher ground....both similar exposure and amount of sun......one just maybe 200' or so lower....)

Lot of people might have a lot of explanations as far as finishing, but, I stick with the above...(spots, sun/exposure and individuals.......if talking clones from same mother in similar spots might be a better study but not really since would be talking clones..(I'm assuming your meaning and reference is to finishing.....)

Anyway...I think depends on the above....(sun, spots, exposure, individuals)...

If doing seed though your finishing times are always going to vary due to individuality.....(even clones though depending on the above will also, sun, exposure, etc, and, in case of my lower spots, I think temps also vary to a minor degree...maybe 5-10 degrees.......)

 

[blynx]

Crystals........

Was just talking to someone, and, yes, you can actually grow plants right in the crystals (not sure about cloning....don't see why not)...

Cloning in crystals didn't work for me. The crystals just held the plants in stasis for over a month, but they never rooted.

 

[Julian]

Did you use finer or more course sizes?, and, why do you think that is? (because too much moisture?, stay moist too long, not drying out?, etc?)

Anyway, point was not to clone in crystals , Point was more can be added if appropriate measures taken to counter expansion which might buy some a little more time and moisture here and there.

 

[Julian]

Cloning in crystals didn't work for me. The crystals just held the plants in stasis for over a month, but they never rooted.

Hmmmmmmm...........

So, I know lot of people (including myself ) take clones from their outdoor plants..(I'm a 6hr round trip more or less on last op), so.........this got me thinking........(maybe bottom 2 inches, 3 inches, etc, of large cooler expanded crystals......hold them in place, be able to efficiently hold maybe double, triple, quadruple the volume? (because gel would hold them more firmly in place, tighter spacing?..........)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................

 

[Julian]

I also might have some edited site shots of next location soon.

Crew on that one is going to be about 100. (Existing crew, but, we're going to change up their training to a higher level from start to finish. Nutes, genetics, dry, cure, trim, hash, packaging, etc)

Edit: I'm going to be picking up again on the Indoor thread also, because we are also going to be doing indoor at part of same location, and, you think the out is going to be beyond belief, wait till you see the in facilities ..(Pictures will accompany , as otherwise, would be not only beyond belief, but, comprehension of even the more advanced ..)

(I didn't believe it at first either.......at all.......thought was exaggerated greatly.....but, what I thought was an exaggeration was actually, in reality, extremely understated ...)

Wait till you fuckin see this shit.....

I've also been a little more nice to some than I should be.

That's over.

I'll just say for now: Imagine no limits....

No limit to budget.....no limit to count.....no limit to space....no limit to power.......no limit to manpower.....no limit to security.....not even sure we can utilize every sq. ft. indoors and out.....even if we added another 100 to crew......or more.....

We will see.....

Will be my last projects....(unless given another similar space afterwards )