MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

anyway, because it was mentioned a time a two, I wanted to ask if it could be revisited a bit, discussed a little

I will add "the rules" because they're worth emphasizing.....

You don't make it, you don't know who does, you get it elsewhere and never, ever, ever get rid of anything not completely dried, cured (minimal, 2 weeks or so) and "shelf ready"....If wet?, obvious maker is nearby, and, can lead to problems down the read....if dried and cured, easy to lay it on someone else.....

You can't necessarily always get more, it's always "not sure, I can check...."....and a delay on top of it (and, likewise, if someone does something with someone, never, ever take a call for more immediately afterwards....

Same as security rules........"tell no one" includes not putting things out there so that you don't have to tell them, they know anyway ...

Patience and allowing things to develop themselves.....because they always do...but, one always has to be careful.....in a major metro the amount of danger is incalculable...(local, county, state, task force, CI's, etc............in major metro's talking 10's of thousands.......and, for those who think they know who LE is and who isn't......well.........there's your first mistake .....because if they're good, you don't .....Better to never talk to anyone new (ever......), and, as far as volume...better to always keep everything as small as possible to protect everyone involved from charges regarding weight......(plus the smaller you keep it, the more you make, etc, and, the longer you can stretch things out.........ie: Dumping 10 for 2800 compared to dumping one at a time, 10 times for 3800.......and keeping something onhand for small things and dumping that for 4800, etc........)

Anyway............

 

[buzzy]

hi all, i just wanted ask (as i can't recall who it was that did it) if there is a text only copy of this thread that someone could send me. Because I don't have the time to copy and paste it all, but i'd really love a copy. so if the person who did it could pm me, would be very much apprieciated

 

[buzzy]

oh no, I've killed the thread! Nobody has posted since I did!

 

[Guest]

yea, you killed it buzzy. way to go :wink:

 

[Mr.Pyrex]

with all this talk, lets see who actually walks the walk.....await my post in may, till then

 

[Julian]

oh no, I've killed the thread! Nobody has posted since I did!

yea, you killed it buzzy. way to go :wink:

I just didn't have nothing to say because I don't have a copy.....so....I could repeat it all if necessary... (Probably better info because I'm always workin on new things, every second of every day .....

Hope the new year is going well for all....

 

[Julian]

with all this talk, lets see who actually walks the walk.....await my post in may, till then

Well....not necessarily because if someone did something tomorrow, wouldn't necessarily recommend they share it all, ya know?....(I usually never do for the post part....just a lot seemed appropriate to add......ya know?.....got caught up indoor thread, then thought of out, and, thought lot of things might be of interest......

I just figured I would go back to consistent handle changes, very few pics, all PM's, and, very few comments in threads..like pretty much I always have....but, have been thinking about a new and improved hardcore MOCG II in future when something done....(Something right now being discussed which would be a shame not to mention and truly worthy of the term "massive" ....

We shall see ....

I do have the feeling though some interesting things might pop up from a couple people in future ...and......fuckin honored to have been of assistance.......

(Plus I have a new trainee/potential partner who will be coming around shortly, (has never visited any site(s), etc...so.........I have very high hopes for him.......a true man of honor...respect...ethics........very high hopes.........I just don't think he gets the big picture and what is possible right now.....Usually half the battle is wiping pre conceived notions..........(what is possible and what is not, etc............as most of us know .....far too many people determine what is possible and what is not when they have never tried .......)

Week or two reading alone would quadruple someones knowledge.....

 

[buzzy]

Well, you've certainly given some of us a bright future Julian mate

thanks awfully

 

[Julian]

Would be nice if that was/is the case........

Several notes on several things....from fresh discussions......

All starts with site selection, and then proceeds to method and prep.....

Can be great grower.....no good spots...your SOL.

Can have great spots....without right prep, your SOL.

Meaning to touch on again.....all about site location, and what you do with it and how you do it determines entire season......ie:right prep can either let you get away with no visits or less visits depending on region...(even regions requiring maintenance....prep will determine how much maintenance...every trip less made is worth it's weight in gold.......talking about holes, talking about prep of holes, talking about crystals....talking about how established, and how planted (before rains an example......)

Sites?...well, of course one has to keep in mind (sorry some repeats..) that a same general spot will have many characteristics sometimes....ie: a spot with some high, low ground, hill, etc....something on top of the hill might get great sun, but, all day sun will dry out more and require more moisture, which may, or may not be provided......Something at the bottom of the hill might get less sun depending on how it's laid out but less moisture might be needed......no visits in a climate with fair rainfall....(I have spots with direct sun, from morning till night......gets VERY hot in summer and very dry fairly quick.....the crystals saved my ass on spots fairly often..(earlier in thread example about some city spots I had........period without rain (couple weeks)......all spots okay and one spot without crystals fried....period......that single small act during prep made difference between taking em home and losing em..(that was round I ran out, couldn't keep them, they had to go out.....)I think was about 100?.........don't remember...6 months ago right now like a lifetime ago....think was about 100 though......fried to a crisp while same ones 100 feet away fine........500 feet away fine......so....

Point being every act you do, or do not do will have implications...and will determine outcome of season......(meaning every minute put into planning and prep is returned 100 fold ....)

Holes?....sure...PITA......but, the extra time spend is returned in kind ...ie: that extra 1/2 foot may not only ensure survival, but, might also return an extra couple z's in weight....or more......(a lot more in some cases ...early planted trees, different in prep can double/triple, etc...literally......I do quite a bit of no maintenance....3" peat pots directly into 3" hole in good soil.....and, I've done many drilled holes, and, difference can be double.....(triple..........)

Same with nutes......more applied, better mixes.......

Same with how established when plated.......

Same with planting before rains.......

Any and every step done returns benefits down the road......

Likewise....an error, depending on numbers can be multiplied with numbers..(reason why strains and spots staggered and spread out...limits your risk and exposure to any one single event in many cases...)

Fuck man....got a little busy and totally lost train of thought......

 

[Julian]

Anyway..............

Different people look at different things in different ways. I tend to sometimes several ways, but, matters like these I always start with the overview and work my way down to smaller details and then work my way back up, and repeat...(Neither good nor bad...just is.....)

I do think though it allows a little more than if the opposite...(focusing on the small and working up........) I think that might be a problem with many who see numbers as a problem....because any task, in any area of life is/can always be broken down into any number of simple tasks.....(Numbers multiply the issues involved......)

The same steps are taken to grow 10 that there are doing 100....1000.....or 10,000........

All the same steps apply.....

Volume changes certain aspects.....(more supplies...more labor...etc...) but, nevertheless, the same.......

You can germ 20.....or 2,000.......

You can prep 30 holes or 300.........(The greater the volume the more an efficient "system" is called for.......making it even easier.....)

You can create a dry mix of 10lbs....or a dry mix or 100lbs...(or 1,000lbs......)

Every step, you look at and break down to be the most efficient you can....(which applies to all, regardless of numbers.....no one wants to waste their time......their money....increase risk......etc....)

No one.

Indoors can be reflected also as selection of quicker strains....utilization of space (full...efficient....as little wasted space as possible....op is running, risk is there.....does not make sense not to utilize every sq. ft. possible and everything as efficient as possible.....)

(Not addressing though strains.....because when people ask me what they should run...yeah, sure...you should be aware of finishing times outdoors, but, for the most part, outdoors, I have always just run what I wanted to...what I was interested in....same with indoors but while shying away from longer finishers due to climate outdoors, indoors haven't because majority of things quicker..longer strain would mes up schedule......and, many other reasons......ps is a different matter of course.....all should run what they like...regardless of time....

Anyway........

So......Sure, selection as discussed also falls under all above....How will you access, when can you access, how will you get supplies in, what are potential risks of sites in question....what are expectations of discovery (any site faces discovery......."X Factor"......always applies to anything in life......regardless of planning and analysis of all possibilities..(hence "X Factor".....ie: Shit that ya just can't fuckin plan for

ie: Who would have thought a red assed monkey would escape from the zoo, jump in the back of an SUV full of costumed circus clowns and get out down the block, and then lodge his red ass in my chimney causing the fire department and cops to swarm my op

(Yeah...sure...sounds impossible....., but, let's face it Stranger things have, and do happen ...)

Can't plan for it, but, can address things which might not help the situation should something occur (as in case of say....burying any and all irrigation you can.........irrigation always looked at as a "sign of the sophistication" of the op....

Same relates to as addressed previously here or elsewhere to keep as little anywhere as possible....ie: If done planting for the year.....clean up because should anything occur.....the first thing that's going to happen is any stated address you have is going to get a visit........

Kind of hard to say you just stumbled across it and decided to take some if a search warrant issued shows direct evidence of all prep, supplies, even things going, etc....

Likewise hard to claim personal consumption if too many in one space....(ie: no matter what your number...always spread them out as far and wide as possible.....)

Same goes with kind of hard to say you stumbled upon them if surveillance shows you have been tending them weekly for last 3 weeks .....

Ya never know.............(damn red assed monkeys .....)

(Same can relate to indoor......many forget ops should be set up with tear down in mind......)

How is everything going to come down is no tools to do so on site

How is everything going to be packed up if no boxes/containers to put them in? ("Then what do I do with all boxes?".......You break them down, fold, and keep on site......

(Again relates to in or out, and any size........op/money/product never together.......a single week doesn't go by that I don't see a case of "and ___lbs of processed marijuana found", (and quite often followed by "and $___ in cash") on an indoor op that was cracked.....)

C'monnn......anyone who can produce and hold onto 20+ lbs (assuming indoor, $4k per) can afford a $500 a month stash house..(cheap apartment...studio...whatever.....$700, whatever...making a point.......)

Lot of people talk about a lot of things......but, bottom line is always: What would you see? What would you know?.....(if you were looking with a third party view....popo...etc.......)

Same goes with trash pulls in another thread.......trash pulls a fact of line and common occurrence in all drug related investigations.....

Sure....many would claim to be aware of that, and swear they dispose of separately...and even then come up with their creativity involving disposal.........but then what do they do?......

They'll put their baggies.....stems from rolling......seeds...roaches.....nute bottles...etc, etc, etc...... in regular trash......

Lately have related conversation with those who use the mail and ups, etc, for "things"

Do you know procedure with suspect packages? Do you know all aspects about package profiling? Does one know of all locations and their implications? Is one aware of the various aspects of different shipping companies? Is there a pattern to your packages and shipping? Even if yes to all, is packaging safe?.......was it prepared correctly? (Could be, but, any act before or after packaging outside of packaging process could void any acts taken.........)

Anyway................

 

[GroBoy2000]

Yeah I think I got the gist of letting it build up, and not jacking the prices because you can, few others details i saw, and appreciated the 'rules' also, all useful

Usually half the battle is wiping pre conceived notions

Yeah this is so true, seems we are stressed and taught limits so much more than limitless, and let's face it, w/ space stations and ounces of a plant catching $400+ there's a lot of 'limitless' out there, or very high, unbelievable potential, for lack of better word

I think I've been on a limitless trip of some sort since reading this thread (ie, has led to other reads, of same idea, it's out there, it's up to you, etc, get far exceed 'normal' expectations) and that was first in august i think, so I'm really feeling the fire build up now, (actually all smoke still, but I feel a fire about to spark)

Lot of people talk about a lot of things......but, bottom line is always: What would you see? What would you know?.....(if you were looking with a third party view....popo...etc.......)

haha, thats real funny man, i just wrote note to self on security yesterday, what would I see, notice, if approaching house/spot, as popo, or someone else similar, what would i notice, be aware of while waiting, looking around,

I think it's important everyone steps out of themselves for a different view of how things might be seen, and suspected or not maybe

Lately have related conversation with those who use the mail and ups, etc, for "things"

Do you know procedure with suspect packages? Do you know all aspects about package profiling? Does one know of all locations and their implications? Is one aware of the various aspects of different shipping companies? Is there a pattern to your packages and shipping? Even if yes to all, is packaging safe?.......was it prepared correctly? (Could be, but, any act before or after packaging outside of packaging process could void any acts taken.........)

Yeah, this thread has really done a lot, and said a lot that it seemed the security forms just couldnt get to. Meaning, never thought of, oh, well the bud was wrapped at sep location, but the final cardboard box had been at my house for 3 months, OR, having my lighter that I use to stuff the bud into my pipe on me when I'm transporting. And that goes for whether you have an oz or 10lbs, you dont want legal headaches at all

yeah, cops are smart man, can't be taken as idiots, seriously, take the time when you see one at a store, or they talk to you about something, they dont have an idiots nature about them 90% of the time (some duches everywhere) It IS there paid job, their vocation, their career, to know what anyone is up to....to keep an eye out.

All just being AWARE, Why it's good to be all-nighter sometimes, coming home from girls, friends, bar, drink some on the porch, wake up at 4am sometimes, go to bed at 4am sometimes, keep your eyes open

Whats the word on cell phone secuirty anyone? Don't say things you wouldnt want someone to hear, or...well, who doesnt talk about grabbing some or smoking a doob over the telly?

 

[Julian]

Yeah this is so true, seems we are stressed and taught limits so much more than limitless

From when we are infants......it begins.."You can't"...."Don't"...."No...don't do that"....etc,etc....

Lot more to say, but, same old shit...and, not in the mood ....

haha, thats real funny man, i just wrote note to self on security yesterday, what would I see, notice, if approaching house/spot, as popo, or someone else similar, what would i notice, be aware of while waiting, looking around,

I think it's important everyone steps out of themselves for a different view of how things might be seen, and suspected or not maybe

I don't know about anyone else....but every single thing I do green related is third party view.....

What you see and think and feel doesn't matter.......You place yourself in others shoes......spots?..locations?.......where would an observer be?...where would they come from?...what might they be doing?....how would they access?...what would be their reasons for accessing?......how would it look from here?...how would it look from there?......Spots I scope and use are usually from a distance first...(mentioned earlier in thread....addressing "how things really work" ....

Anyway...sure point made and taken......

yeah, cops are smart man, can't be taken as idiots, seriously, take the time when you see one at a store, or they talk to you about something, they dont have an idiots nature about them 90% of the time (some duches everywhere) It IS there paid job, their vocation, their career, to know what anyone is up to....to keep an eye out.

I think anyone who doubts their intelligence should spend a day researching smuggling methods..(that they are aware of and have been discovered)....(Sometimes when I am reviewing cases on things....which I do often and think more should......I'm in awe how they uncovered something.....truly....last one was there's a guitar factory down south that were hollowing out bodies for whitey and H......gets put together....glued, sanded (just like real ones) ...and painted.....100% playable.....

Frankly.....I wouldn't hesitate to say many I would consider borderline genius....

And it scares me sometimes......

They are very smart....and very dangerous people....

Sometimes the only choice is not even to try and outsmart.......

Staying one step ahead is more than enough ...

(Which would go back to indoor thread and points regarding abandoning and tearing down successful ops when everything is fine.....switching up methods when everything is fine.......)

I talk to a lot of people and I hear the phrases "Everything is fine so far".....We've never had a problem yet"...etc, etc.......

So far.......

Yet.......

Anyway.........

I spend quite a bit of time sometimes going through cases looking for certain things........(Last 2 months must have gone through literally thousands upon thousands.......Grows....trucks....buses...trains....borders....customs...mail....

I think anyone who thinks they are stupid?.....are stupid .....

I fear LE.....their intelligence....they're resources.....and I'll stick to that .....

Whats the word on cell phone secuirty anyone? Don't say things you wouldnt want someone to hear, or...well, who doesnt talk about grabbing some or smoking a doob over the telly?

Same as it's always been.

Never. Anything. Ever.

(My only exception to that is when I have absolutely nothing....I wont hesitate to call and ask someone if they can spare a joint....a gram.....that I have nothing, and haven't for a while, etc.........Say what you will, but, if they are up my ass so far as to have all my lines.....to hear that I am scrounging for a gram I think couldn't hurt .......)

Lots of questions I know, but I'm still new at this, consider some people here master trainers, lol

Spend the time and energy on school......

This is not a career path......

 

[DaDank]

Let's back up a second - Teddy Roosevelt

Let's back up a second - Teddy Roosevelt

Patience and allowing things to develop themselves.....because they always do...but, one always has to be careful
Anyway............[/QUOTE]

This sentence really has got me thinking. It reminds me of a previous episode involving a waiter at a restaurant. Wondering why service is so slow, the customer asked the waiter if they were smokin' something 'stead of serving his meal. The waiter wished that were the case, but being in a dry spell, didn't see that as happening. At which point customer offers spleef assistance.
That is one - lucky - way to make sales. But how can you be sure about someone. By starting with small quantities are you getting a sense for them. If you price things right - special, introductory offer - is further interest in increased quantity sure to follow? What do you do to maintain anonimity? False names? Don call me, I'll call you? Never meet at your home address?
What does one do to make the sale and, at the same time, steer clear of POPO?

 

[GroBoy2000]

Spend the time and energy on school......

This is not a career path......

Well no real money for school, and if extra 10-20k, could run a business I really enjoy (which I had never even thought to consider until this thread, many thanks) and also go to school. I've had career goals longer than the herb goals, though they have been there for a few years now too, lol.

Same as it's always been.

Never. Anything. Ever.

noted, seriously

Sometimes the only choice is not even to try and outsmart.......

Staying one step ahead is more than enough ...

(Which would go back to indoor thread and points regarding abandoning and tearing down successful ops when everything is fine.....switching up methods when everything is fine.......)

I talk to a lot of people and I hear the phrases "Everything is fine so far".....We've never had a problem yet"...etc, etc.......

So far.......

Yet.......

Anyway.........

I spend quite a bit of time sometimes going through cases looking for certain things........(Last 2 months must have gone through literally thousands upon thousands.......Grows....trucks....buses...trains....borders....customs...mail....

Man, if you, having 20 years experience search that much, then how much more so for those of us with under 5 years in the field

I think anyone who thinks they are stupid?.....are stupid .....

I fear LE.....their intelligence....they're resources.....and I'll stick to that .....

Yeah, and me too friend. I picked up your Art of War recommendation, and after listening to some of the Generals words, wow, the odds are heavily against me, and some forms of awareness, hidden, step ahead, are absolutely necessary, and it makes it very clear, numerous times, that without planning, without careful consideration, you will end up failing. And again, just sometimes, standing next to them, talkin to here or there, they are a dog trained you run you down and catch you like a rabbit

If you dont have it, you should

also I got the I Ching, really threw me off the first hour reading, LOL, I'd like to hear from you more of your experiences/how introduced to sometime, and thanks for mentioning it

 

[GroBoy2000]

DaDank,

(first off, havent sold much of anything in a while, why I asked, but, I've passed a few windows or ajar doors)

What I've done, lately, with having future interests in mind, is keeping a little more aware around those I buy from, what kinda person are they, what kinda place do they run, sale a lot sale a little, BS or always calls you back, then in just chatting with them some, might 'wonder how much' a bow of some of his mids were, what he preferred to sale (highs, mids, etc), over multiple trips of course, not just assaulting someone with questions about their business....just making it known that you have an interest in really...you'd be surprised what some people would tell you about someone youve never met, lol, really quite interesting what I've 'heard' since wondering how I'd get rid of more than a lb

 

[Julian]

This sentence really has got me thinking. It reminds me of a previous episode involving a waiter at a restaurant.

Previous episode....(sure means "incident", etc, but, I'm in Wire mode talking about the episodes

Wondering why service is so slow, the customer asked the waiter if they were smokin' something 'stead of serving his meal. The waiter wished that were the case, but being in a dry spell, didn't see that as happening. At which point customer offers spleef assistance.

I think I left the guy about an H of 2 different things in cigarette pack...hard to remember,....was a while ago........these days a week ago is like a yr ago to me....

That is one - lucky - way to make sales. But how can you be sure about someone.

Well, starting point is if you walk into a place you have never been before and no advance knowledge of your going there was shared anywhere, then you know 100% they are who they say they are....(ie: You caught them at work.....so.....not like a person on the street, etc.......)

Sure about someone?....Can never be sure about anyone, so......but, it's a good starting point and you go from there....your not sharing anything extremely sensitive at that point other than you smoke yourself and smoke hardcore, so.......) From that point on you take it day by day and share what situation calls for (as little as possible.....)

By starting with small quantities are you getting a sense for them.

Well....simple observation of anyone, anywhere, anytime gives you a fairly good idea of who someone is.....doesn't take long.......quantity takes care of itself....they have a position and level before you even talk to them....if they like quality they will essentially tell you what their story is ..(people talk to much as a whole....so.....you just have to let them......)

You can give them a dummy email account......or, you can just stop back in a day or two..(why not...chances are everything will be free from that point on anyway, so ......)

If you price things right - special, introductory offer - is further interest in increased quantity sure to follow? What do you do to maintain anonimity? False names? Don call me, I'll call you? Never meet at your home address?
What does one do to make the sale and, at the same time, steer clear of POPO?

Well, same as above....they will let you know what they think it's worth (play stupid ...) Each situation has a momentum of it's own....you allow whatever it is to be whatever it is (while keeping your end tight.....)

You don't grow it....you smoke it.....(never even mention growing anyway....)

You don't really sell it......but you can get it......

You don't know how much for more.......but you can check ...

Your not sure if any more...............but you can find out......

etc....

 

[Julian]

Well no real money for school, and if extra 10-20k, could run a business I really enjoy (which I had never even thought to consider until this thread, many thanks) and also go to school. I've had career goals longer than the herb goals, though they have been there for a few years now too, lol.

Just thought should repeat.......just extra money...no longevity to be expected, should be channeled into something meaningful, etc....

noted, seriously.......

Just posted something in another thread and mentioned either here or in indoor thread...other angles on phones of course is pull battery when in sensitive conversations and when going to sensitive locations...(They can activate phone and use as mic and can also use as GPS......)

Man, if you, having 20 years experience search that much, then how much more so for those of us with under 5 years in the field

Closer to 25....

Well....they advance daily on many things, so...always have to know as much as possible about what they know.....

Lot of people come up with "great ideas"....usually the case is they are old and outdated ideas....

Yeah, and me too friend. I picked up your Art of War recommendation, and after listening to some of the Generals words, wow, the odds are heavily against me, and some forms of awareness, hidden, step ahead, are absolutely necessary, and it makes it very clear, numerous times, that without planning, without careful consideration, you will end up failing. And again, just sometimes, standing next to them, talkin to here or there, they are a dog trained you run you down and catch you like a rabbit

If you dont have it, you should

also I got the I Ching, really threw me off the first hour reading, LOL, I'd like to hear from you more of your experiences/how introduced to sometime, and thanks for mentioning it

I Ching I'm just a student......been stated 50yrs to study would allow one an almost satisfactory understanding of it......Both great works....amazing when something thousands of yrs old can apply to daily life in the 21st century...

 

[Julian]

...you'd be surprised what some people would tell you about someone youve never met, lol, really quite interesting what I've 'heard'

What I know about people I don't know, could fill volumes upon volumes...... ....

It is quite interesting..........

 

[GroBoy2000]

eh, spent some time searching, turned up something many might find valuable, more understanding of their perceptions and efforts

DoJ site here, be aware

cultivation asessment

I found the regions and maps of particular interests

 

[Julian]

Well, but you have to remind people that is a DoJ site, so....if their end not covered should note address and get in there through front another time.....But, yeah, lot of info ("perceptions"......always ....)