MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[blackone]

Yeah Merry Christmas, and thanks for maintaining this thread. A lot of interesting discussions taking place - for most of us it feeds the dreamer in all of us But I'm sure people seriously interested in doing numbers could benefit from reading this.

 

[buzzy]

Currently breeding some femmed lowryder #2 seeds for next year, they're looking good, and oh so fast.

 

[Julian]

Well, thanks for all the wishes and the same upon all, and, I guess the "Happy New Year" wishes are momentarily.....

From what it appears, it is now essentially The Wire, S5, Ep1 is now essentially tomorrow night....(so it seems to be....we will see ....)

Hope everyone had a good holiday...

A lot of interesting discussions taking place - for most of us it feeds the dreamer in all of us But I'm sure people seriously interested in doing numbers could benefit from reading this.

Welllllllll...........actually no need to dream.....an op is an op.......whether your doing indoors, out, 10 plants,m-100 plants, 1000 plants-10000 plants......same always applies across the board, and, of course, I think this is the trap most fall into.....

Specifics change as numbers change...procedure, etc, but, essentially, the only thing that separates the smaller from the large is space available, budget, and labor.....

You have to harvest 20........you have to pack and transport 20....you have to hang, dry, clip, cure 20.......100-500-1000+ only changes the "fine print"...(more work, more help, more space....and, of course, more risk.....)

All are the same...(planting is planting...more work and more supplies the greater you go.....Maintenance?...well, in an idea world no one should have to, and, if you have to should be as little as possible (security).....

The smaller they get, the more everything remains the same...(ie: if doing earlier, later, forced, etc......)

Outdoors it really all comes down to how much work do you want to do...how much help do you have or can have......and how much space/potential spots do you have.........You know...you have people who do 5 trees.....same footprint you could get 500 mini's......so....I just never understand a lot of peoples position on numbers......always mystifies me.....

Plus, numbers issues get overblown anyway......What you can, when you can, where you can, how you can.......I always viewed it as merely highest and best use, max efficiency........and, same issues apply to even smaller ops, in or out......When I started way back when it was strictly out of efficiency.......ie: I'm risking the spot, the space, my time.....so why not use all space to max efficiency.....

Numbers always secondary....starts with how much space do you have and how will you fill/utilize it, and you go from there.......

So.....I dunno...I think all applies to anything.....all aspects remain regardless of size (site selection, prep, supplies, budget,maintenance,security, harvest, etc.....all aspects are always in place regardless of numbers one ends up running.......)

Note that I said "ends up running" instead of "chooses to run" .....

Now, of course, then you would have people say "well, you encourage people to do higher numbers".........to which I would say I only try and encourage people to grow with what they have....regardless of size....I never met a person who couldn't pull a couple batches who wasted hours, days, weeks, years listing all the reasons they could not.....(I mean, my god...you have people running pc tower grows now ...)

My objective is just to try and offer a different perspective on it as a whole....(and, from what I see, a lot could use one ....)

 

[Julian]

Still going Julian, geez, its been a LOOONG time now.

Spread much love around because this is a worthy discussion.

You checkout those AF strains yet? You'd be wise

The thread or the op? ......

Thanks...very kind of you to say......

No.....I had planned on doing a fem run of some so I could have a stash of stock, but, lot of things not going on schedule right now....in some ways extremely annoying...in others, who cares......is definitely something that will be done in the future.......

I'm kind of starting work now (planning, serious discussions, acquisitions, etc) on something that I consider the most amazing I have ever done....won't share any details...(because something never done ....) Lot of people get upset about "giving away secrets"...There is very little LE has not seen before, so.....repeating something they are aware of is nothing special, but, this new one is something they have not..(I spent weeks going through thousands of articles, hundreds or thousands of cases and such...have never seen mention, have never seen reference.....I truly think has never been done before, so.....not going to share any details about that (maybe after I'm done which will be far into future......)

(and, these days.....something that hasn't been done before....I mean...you know that's interesting .....took me weeks upon weeks upon weeks of thinking..scratching my head ....must have developed and tossed plans in garbage 50 times.........)

Yeah...I'll get to AF's though....but, have to make some fem stock.....m/f not even worth the trouble....(for me...volume....).....could you imagine having to sex _ _,000 1 footers on your hands and knees? ....no way......not going to happen......(been there, done that, smaller number was a nightmare .......(plus as above, if tightly spaced really physically impossible to do it.........just not possible if tightly packed.......can't get in there.......)

See, with the AF's it's a little different (for me, my view and opinion...) Every second of every day that goes by, people are working on new things, so, as earlier....I've had it in mind.....As time goes by? Better things are coming out, etc, so, for that, not a rush, and, also, I mean.....I want to see fem and I want to see prices change a little.......(better quality, fem, prices....)..Your not talking about regular stock where a single good female contains unlimited potential..(now, I could be wrong, but, haven't seen anything really about cloning af's, because of course, if they are af's....then how would that work (ie: Not big enough to get any volume of clones before flower....clones will start to flower asap probably, etc...so......could be wrong...my impression..haven't worked with them really so don't know but the very nature of AF's would lead me to believe not really possible.....)

But, yeah, as time goes by every day people working on new and improved things, so.....no hurry for me...if time and space I'd do a run for seed...fem, but.....right now really no time, no room, no space...some other things taking all time and energy...(I spend my life on 24/7 already...which has to change .....this year made me realize just can't do it anymore and maintain sanity (but, then again....who needs sanity anyway... seems to be restricting for most people )

Yeah, I'll get to em though..(see, another thing is really no immediate location for May....so....a possibler thing for like March...quick early run..........so....)

Who you are, what you know, what you have, what you can do means absolutely shit if you don't have a spot ...so.......(should have run some anyway though because one thing I know to be a fact is things change on a moments notice, so, could get a spot for a quick run tomorrow, and, no stock....

Lot of times spots I might get may have restrictions.....so...(ie: I might find someone to agree for 90 day early season AF..........they won't agree to full season large.....too risky...too much visibility and exposure, etc, so, that's another way I work...different people have different levels of involvement and tolerance to risk.....

I really don't care though aside from I really want some more nice stuff.........and, of course, have to make it ...so.....something has to be done ....

 

[Julian]

Yeah, **** yeah!...Merry Christmas commercial growers!!!!

This christmas tree needs some damn lights...

My friend...........the last thing you need on that ****er is lights everywhere (on second thought, might work well ....)

How did your latest stuff come out?...(you probably told me yesterday and I forgot ....)

Hope all is well ......

 

[Julian]

Some other notes......

Was talking to someone yesterday about the outdoor dry and hang, and, has been obvious many people, in many regions, have tried and have had results which left them very pleased..........

There have also been many people in many regions that tried and did not have success (the same regions as those who did ....)

I'm always sorry if someone's run doesn't turn out as they wanted, but, I did write quite a bit about it, addressing virtually all details, so...if one was to not pay attention to those...I mean, I'm sorry it didn't turn out right, but, to say "as Julian says" but then to not follow my directions.....sorry.....the minute one strayed from my instructions...well, it's not my idea anymore...it's yours ....

Very simple, very quick, very easy, superior product......

I won't be held accountable for "my idea" when my instructions not followed.

 

[Julian]

The Wire...

We are now at basically it's tomorrow..... (or so they imply....)

I'll post something if it comes on menu list...as it should....(tomorrow night, 12am-3am....., as was the case last season.....)

 

[Julian]

Vacuum Sealers.....

Have been having discussions more and more lately about them......

Of course people always want to know about dogs, and, if your talking dogs, then your talking shipping in some way, shape, or form......

If talking shipping, scent is secondary anyway....and there are other issues you have to face first....(profiling issues are primary, scent a distant second because scent doesn't come into play unless you failed trying to circumvent the profiling issues......(whether it be profiling for traffic stop, package profiling, etc, etc....)

So I've been talking about this with some lately, and, a lot of research followed to prove my point......

In no specific order.......

1. First of all, toss that $59.95 Wal Mart Ronco seal a meal crap, and grab a real commercial sealer......(I've had 3 ranging from $500-$3500)

With that real commercial sealer, you will also acquire real commercial bags....(so, 2 fold...first quality, and second bags......)

Then you have the issue of it's fairly simple to run a search on cases where vacuum sealed items with discovered and had a positive hit by dogs....(will find 1,000 cases at the touch of a button.....)

So....then they obviously don't work.........

Or do they ....

(Now some will think "well, that's because it permeated the plastic after heat, movement, and time went by".......(the three issues with permeation of the containers....)

Some think it will permeate any container, of any material...(not going to address that, it won't..........issue here is bags and sealers......)

So...you have 3 real and documented issues...(3? we'll see ...)

Vacuum sealers, vacuum sealers, vacuum sealers........yes, they do work...if you know what your doing!

Meaning?.......

Meaning that if you smoke in the prep space......meaning that if you rolled , carried, and smoked yesterday and are wearing the same clothes...meaning that if you rolled and smoked one today an washed your hands...you have contamination.......

Meaning that if you get a sealer now but you have had things not sealed in same luggage, cars, in the past.....you again have contamination......

Meaning that if you want to seal and actually expect everything fine in a location with grow.....and machine and bags have been stored in grow....your probably contaminated even before you leave the space......

Now....some will say "nah, they can smell through anything, you said yourself that there are 1,000 cases where sealed loads or packages got caught......"

Yep...that's true...

But was it cross contamination?....Were loads sealed and packed a week before exposed to a sniff? (I would say after a couple days.....it's a waste, should be resealed......)

Now.....what one will find is at least a half dozen professionals in field (LE dog trainers and handles) who readily state that vacuum sealing will prevent the odor and detection by the dogs....

(I usually believe them when they're trying to tell me how they work ....)

So.......

Now, to further prove a point......(true story....) I was talking to someone about it who said they were going to seal some stuff, and, they let me know at the moment they were doing some laundry.....and,m were going to roll one, finish laundry, then do some stuff around house.......

(Did anyone catch that? ....)

To which my response was "see.......your going to contaminate your hands, then go touch and fold all the laundry your going to use for the coming week......"

If your talking shipping, and your talking dogs......ideally you want right before packing it (whatever your doing...plane, train, automobile, mail, bus, etc....)

(As in time it will permeate.......many sources state it's good for about 24hrs......double and triple sealed I haven't seen addressed as far as increasing that time, but, again....wiser not to mess with the schedule...ie: will double or triple seal then buy you 48-72hrs?....... I wouldn't assume it....

But, again, goes back to cross contamination......

Some funny scenarios:

So your going to clean all, pack all, clean environment and then put in the luggage you have brought to Jamaica and Amsterdam and kept bud in last week? ......

Buy new...(be aware..."new luggage" is an ingredient of profiling, so...I would go with regular things which you really couldn't tell if 5 years old or 5 days.....

Or your going to pack right, make sure no contamination, then put in the boxes you bought the other day ...(you know, the boxes that you grabbed after you rolled and smoked one for lunch, and then stored where you keep your green ad smoke anyway? .......

Or...your going to do everything right, and then send a package which essentially meets every single criteria of package profiling?

(note: as above in that case, exterior of package will come into play far before it is ever subjected to a sniff......it's only getting sniffed if it's pulled off the line for some reason..........)

(People actually do create names such as "Mary Jane Green" and such ..........)

You know....any and everything discussed..(any aspect, at all...) is addressing what is known and done and how to counter act LE.......

There's far too many out there who go through life assuming LE is "stupid"......

Not by a long shot.....

They are aware and know and have already seen things most cannot even begin to imagine.....

They're career professionals.....they put in the hours.....and they're only task is to learn how to stop you no matter what you do to try and stop them .....

It's very unwise to underestimate an enemy with superior resources....superior intelligence (division) and sources......superior budget.........

All for you...

Overnight 20lb package from San Diego (source city, source state)....addressed to Mary Jane Green....package taped like a key of whitey... fake return address (they verify names and addresses when packages are pulled from the belt)......labels handwritten.......and a very pleasant smell of Downy........



And people who ship such marvel at their creativity and intelligence .......(and would be the same people who don't know the Amtrak reservations on many (all? ) lines go straight to DEA for screening...that many train and bus stations have LE on premises, even a office at station, and at airports, and, regarding planes, that they reason they knew was the ticket agent told them because DEA offers them a 10-20% commission on all seizures, that greyhounds are regularly stopped and boarded (as are East-West lines)...etc, etc, etc.....

(I was reading an article how a single post office branch in AZ grabbed 2,000+ lbs of green in 48hrs ...........).....

Anyway....cross contamination........my cars? ...I've had them packed to the hilt with fresh cut so many times the dogs will probably hit on the can it was turned into years from now after it goes into the crusher ....sdo...therefore...anything tossed in those trunks would be contaminated no matter what procedures were gone through.....

So....to people who do such a little more than most ......

Clean and separate location....no green at that location, no smoking at that location....no nothing at that location.....same principle as a "clean room" (microchip manufacturing...).....entry...hands and arms cleaned, change clothes, all containers new, etc....your life depends on it...

(another way I always explain it is bacteria from chicken.....ie: you don't use same knife without cleaning, you don't touch anything else without cleaning, you can't place something on counter without cleaning afterwards, etc, etc....same concept, same principles.....)

More scenarios.....

One can actually find cases if they search of things wrapped 5 times, tossed into gas tanks that the dog hit on.....

Dog didn't hit on the packages in the tank.....dog hit on the dirty ass hands and contamination of the packages to begin with.....ie: package to hands, hands to exterior, etc........(kind of interesting that the guys who need to get it through the most, with the biggest loads are the worse at cross contamination..........)

Anyway.....LE dog trainers and handles state vacuum sealing will prevent detection.......but, as above.....100 other reasons that kill your job......cross contamination.....fitting profiles...packages fitting profiles...time that goes by after packaged..........know a lot of people use the mail, and, I bet only 1 out of 20 could recite all package profiling guidelines and procedures......(public knowledge....anyone able to find thousands of pages on it in minutes.......)

 

[blackone]

I believe some of the newer true autoflowers like automatic AK47 are up to 30-40 g each, but that probably requires a good hole with a nice mix.
For someone who can't or won't maintain mothers it could actually be feasible to pull some semi-commercial weight with a little effort. Sexing a few hundred plants should be doable in an hour. 100 (200 unsexed) plants might fit well in a 4mX4m spot - obviously you're bound to get some local crowding of females so unless seeds are plenty you might want to spread them out a little more.
If you have a lot of time on your hands you could run a few thousands and pull some kgs of sensi.

But I'm thinking with autos, seeds really should be plenty. If I started with true autos I would definitely be starting out with a seed grow, and always have 1 or more small remote seed spots every year.

Even non-sinsemilla crop might make sense for some persons in some locations.
If seed in ground with zero maintenance is possible where you live you could plant very large numbers in a short time.
Hash is an obvious option here too. Typically hash is less value than the bud it came from so would be a silly thing to do commercially for local sale. But versus seeded bud it might be same or perhaps sligthly less value, and combined with the ease of movement of hash versus bud (if hash sells in your location of course) it might make sense.

 

[livenletlive]

big orange grow

big orange grow

Hey Julian,

Do you think that Ten. and Ky are becoming like Humbolt County in California?

 

[Julian]

I believe some of the newer true autoflowers like automatic AK47 are up to 30-40 g each, but that probably requires a good hole with a nice mix.

Well, I get z or more fairly often with no hole from late mini's, so.....depends...first is what's native soil...then you get to hole, prep, etc......never hurts though..yield is always in your hole among other things (genetics, sun/hole,nutes, etc....)

Sexing a few hundred plants should be doable in an hour. 100 (200 unsexed) plants might fit well in a 4mX4m spot - obviously you're bound to get some local crowding of females so unless seeds are plenty you might want to spread them out a little more.

Nah....as earlier in thread..(did you read? .....nah...when your talking 1 per sq foot or even tighter pre sex...good luck getting in there to look, sex, pull em (ie: where are you going to step, have to get down low when still small, etc...nah,...been there, done that..larger plots it's physically impossible....have to get down low and have to go through patch basically on hands and knees.....if a solid patch.....can't get in...too tight..you'd be stepping on things.......)

I've never turned complete crop into bubble......(have discussed with partners ...but, they didn't find it as interesting and attractive as I did .....

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian,

Do you think that Ten. and Ky are becoming like Humbolt County in California?

Hmmm...interesting....

Well, one, I have never done anything in Humboldt, and, those I have known I don't think knew as much as they might....

2. Humbolt is of course about 40 miles by 150 miles or so.....(6000 sq miles....for a county...pretty ****in big...)

Tennessee?.....less familiar so can't comment....

Kentucky?

Let me say this ..........

These days?...not what it once was......I was down there mid/late 80's, and, let me tell you....the closest comparison was Mexico...and, when I say that, what I mean is local cops, local chiefs, local judges, county cops, sheriff's, state cops......everyone was in on it.....(The real good ole boy network.....) either one was one..., ot their brother, uncle, cousin, brother in law, etc, was one.....

(ie: for a laugh do some searches on Kentucky...creative searches.....the lists of busts back then were astounding....ie: it was unlike most can imagine until FBI came in and was grabbing everyone...and, busts were not small......500 (lbs) on this county sheriff, 2,000 on this judge, 1,000 on local cops...I mean, outrageous.....

I believe KY matches CA or is close as far as eradication efforts and seizures right now...(I think CA,KY and TN are top 3.......VERY hot place......very hot place.......

I would not do one there again......(unless of course partners uncle was county sheriff, and his brother a judge, and local cops his buddies and run their own ops ......)

Can't even begin to go into it, and, can't believe CA Humboldt's network goes that deep......(ie: like Mexico.......everyone, everywhere in on it.....)

I've written about it here and there over the years.......was free reign..........free reign............even when there couldn't believe it....still can't....the levels it was......judges letting people use their plane and land to fly loads out for a piece.......sheriff's turning loads, running grows, taking a piece, etc...local cops and families...I mean, there was no end.........(I'm sure governor was getting packages ($$) from someone...I mean.....it was just beyond belief .........

Note: "becoming like Humboldt"?

KY good ole boy network probably goes back 30-40-50+ years.......

I'd think Humboldt became like Kentucky but without the free reign ....( I mean, literally....entire LE community and legal system was in on it ....was nothing they could do, so, again, FBI came in and went after everyone..........do a little research........what one will find is laughable...

(Read something recently that put Kentucky production at 26 billion.....)

I did a quick search and grabbed some...brief examples of back then:

Marion County, KY. Officials in the Kentucky state
government became suspicious of cash excesses in banks in Marion
County, KY. An investigation led to the purchase of the Bank [of
Lebanon? (Marion County Seat)] by a cabinet official [The
Kentucky State Secretary of Commerce?] Needless to say, no
evidence of marijuana cultivation or other illicit activities was
uncovered.

(There was ...)

________________, retired Lexington, Kentucky Police
Department Narcotics Officer, crash landed via parachute in
suburban Knoxville TN with 79 pounds of cocaine. Several other
duffle bags of cocaine were found in the Chattahoochee National
Forest, totalling approximately 400 pounds

Marion Campbell, Kentucky State Police Commissioner, is
arrested for extorting a one million dollar bribe from a cocaine
smuggler (also an FBI agent). This was for airport landing
rights in Morgan Co KY. Several other officials were arrested
for assorted corruption: former Morgan County, Kentucky
Judge-Executive Gene Allen; Allen's son Steve; Morgan County,
Kentucky Sheriff Roger Benton; Coal Baron Titus Frederick; former
Kentucky District Judge James H Noble; former State Senator and
former State Trooper Lester Burns, Jr; and physician, Dr Bill
Davis.

Kentucky State Police Detective, 19 year veteran of The
Force, Joseph Greenwall (Greenwald), age 41, of Loretto, Marion
Co KY is arrested for extorting $5000 to protect marijuana
growers, after a two month investigation


NORML (National Organization for the
Reform of Marijuana Laws) has a list of approximately 300 public
officials who have been involved in drug crimes in the past three
years.

Louisville, KY. The Jefferson County Commissioner, Carl
Brown, is charged with distribution of marijuana and cocaine.

Lexington, KY. Captain Marion "Butch" Campbell, Kentucky
State Police Commissioner, and Roger Benton, Morgan County
Kentucky Sheriff, are on trial. Houston McNeal, two years a
undercover FBI agent, testified that he had made payments of
$5000 a month to Campbell, Benton, and Titus Frederick for
landing rights at the West Liberty, KY airport.

(They should have known he wasn't real just from 5k a month ........25k-50k-100k a flight is more like it.....(could make 10 flights a week....)

In the Captain Marion "Butch" Campbell,
Kentucky State Police Commissioner trial, Campbell is represented
by William Johnson. The Trial apparently started 9 Jan 87.
Houston McNeal, two years an undercover FBI agent from Virginia,
testified that he had made installment payments to Roger Benton,
Morgan County Kentucky Sheriff; Gene Allen, Morgan County
Kentucky Judge-Executive; and Marion Campbell, Kentucky State
Police Commissioner, for assistance in drug trafficking. McNeal
said that he met Campbell on a dark backroad, where Campbell
thanked him for the money.

"dark backroads" Biglaugh:......

(pleas, bear with me....I'm casually strolling down memory lane right now...I mean...this was like 20yrs ago ...........had forgotten.....)

Lexington, KY. In the Kentucky State Police Commissioner
Captain Marion "Butch" Campbell trial, Titus Frederick, coal
baron and marijuana manufacturer testified that in a meeting at
Frederick's house in 1984, three-time Morgan County Kentucky
Judge-Executive Gene Allen and Marion Campbell had asked him for
contacts in the marijuana and cocaine business. Lester Burns,
Jr, former Kentucky State Senator, former Kentucky State Police
Trooper, former attorney (now disbarred) bankrolled the
operation, and Marion Campbell was in charge of security at the
Morgan County airport. Their business grossed about 3/4 of a
million dollars a week in cocaine. Houston McNeal, undercover
Virginia FBI investigator, testified that Campbell said that he
was receiving payments from undercover agents. It is unclear
whether Campbell thought that they were FBI agents or drug
dealers.

(I know stories are overlapping...just soooo many of them .....)

Lexington, KY. Roger Benton, Sheriff of Morgan County,
KY, is found guilty on all counts, three counts of extortion and
two of drug trafficking conspiracy. He faces a maximum sentence
of 80 years.

annnnnnnnyway .......

Sure the point is made......and, makes clear that "everyone in on it" was not an exaggeration......(even if someone wasn't directly, and they still knew someone that was, they would "do them that favor" and take care of it ........

Ahhhhhhh the "good old days"

Anyway...........

Sure you get the point.........

Everyone gone?..........well .........when everyone runs generations upon generations deep.....You never truly get "rid" of anything ......

Edit: quick afterthought that made me laugh....Kentucky?.....like B.C! ..........anyway...yeah...KY......I still know people who have been running same ops for almost 30yrs now...so.....(quite a few of them ....)....Now too hot....not for me.......(get the invite all the time) .....know quite a few with quite a few acres .......always reminded me of "Deliverance"

Let's just say I made some "significant contributions" to quite a few at that time .....(genetics, methods, approaches, etc.....)

Good ole boy networks .........

(One has to remember...growing?......growing was not only thing.....everyone were also major movers.......yr round......crop goes into product, product flipped, etc....more garbage bags and truckloads of money than most could imagine......KY actually a good location......)

 

[Julian]

Season 5.....the next and final season of the Wire....should be ondemand tonight....

Later today.......

"just a couple" hours from now ........

I'd invite any new viewers who haven't seen all previous seasons to "give it a try"......give it a chance.....watch 3-4 episodes unbiased (you don't know what it's about until you've seen all 4 seasons ....)

Today.......tonight.....mere hours from now ....

 

[marto]

I think tonite wire is a rerun. Website says jan 6 for season5

 

[tripples]

the KY connect dried up about 7 years ago.. real close to KY here.. hasnt been the same since.. was GOOD bud for cheap.. now mostly brick for same price.. :/ dude was running shit here for prolly 15 years that i know of.. anything before that outdates my memory.. that bust was on this side of the woods so.. im sure still same good buds for cheap in KY.. and as much as you want..

 

[Julian]

The Wire

Just got a call that episode 51.....1st episode of 5th and final season is now on ondemand.....

 

[Julian]

Warmest wishes for the New Year to All..........

May the New Year hold health, happiness, and prosperity for all, and all around them.....

Spring right around the corner........little over 100 days until May 1st...(some will be harvesting first spring round around then........who knows, if lucky, maybe me too ......)....

Season is long....lot of possibilities...lot of approaches....lot of time........

May the New Year bring exactly what all need in their life........

 

[Guest]

Whatsup Julian happy new year to you as well. Wondering how you liked the new episode of the wire. I watched it and i didnt really like it to much. The part with the copyer made me laugh my ass off. But it probably will get better. Season 1 and 4 were my favorite.

 

[Julian]

Whatsup Julian happy new year to you as well.

Thanks man.....same to all.....hope a good or better one for everyone......

Wondering how you liked the new episode of the wire. I watched it and i didnt really like it to much.

You didn't like that? ....I ****in loved it (granted, I mean, they're picking up from last year, so...you know, I mean, first episode of season never one of the best......but, they're goin somewhere......)...

The part with the copyer made me laugh my ass off. But it probably will get better. Season 1 and 4 were my favorite.

First time I watched it (Sunday) you know, was a little busy but didn't care because knew I would probably end up seeing it a couple more timed, picking up things I missed, but, yeah man ....

I thought that was really funny , (and true), and, I mean......people could learn something from that .......exactly how they do it....(other one said this, gave you up, etc, etc.......that's a real game they run everyday ....)

Yeah, not best episode ever, but, you know it's leading to them (and, that's what I always get from Wire.....every episode better than last one......)

Lot of people not thrilled about news angle, but, I remind people how they do it (Wire, scenes)....just one aspect and they don't dwell on any single one for long, so......but, it's goin somewhere man ...it's goin somewhere ......

Nah man.....don't worry....I have a feeling that will be best season yet...........(not going to **** around like Soprano's did last season.....)

Nah man...they'll deliver ....

(****in copy machine thing killed me .......)

Can't forget how many storylines they run, ya know?.....lot of stuff to come..lot of stuff to tie up...(don't forget they haven't touched on a lot of storylines left over...so.......2-3-4 I think going to be better.....(then 5-6-7 even better, then 8-9-10 better , etc...)

Yeah man...I liked it, glad it's on.......

Edit: Yeah...you know...at first I wasn't thrilled with S2, but, watched it again when they reran it and really, really, really liked it actually......was underrated I thought......(and, as we see now.....2 integral........Russians still around in S4-S5, etc, etc...so...yeah, I didn't like 2 at first, but, watched closer and liked it a lot......)...

Plus I watch it with a lot of "new" people (did this time again), so...always see it with "fresh" eyes.....and, same thing......someone watching this first episode, first time...same deal (ie: have to watch 2-3-4 episodes before even getting an idea.......people I watched this one with every scene think they "know what it's about" ..it's kinda funny actually ......

I do think they should have stuck with S4 soundtrack...thought they nailed it with that track...(all 5 seasons, same tune, just reworked, etc......lot of people think different song because sounds different..lyrics the same...same tune.......)

Yeah...I think by E3-E4...they'll be back into the raw shit .....

 

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The first time i watched it I wasnt really paying attention really and now after i watched it closely it was a fairly good episode and i deffiently understood it better. You are totally right about how the wire episodes get better every time and have cliff hangers at the end making your crave for the new episode. This season i think will be very good, also this season is about the press and last season was about the school system in baltimore. This would make me think ehh its not going to be good. But i think the press are going to get in the minds of the drug dealers and create problems betweem them and the public. This season should be very very fun to watch evolve. Season 2 is a great season i think but didnt like it as much as the other ones. Hands down all seasons and episodes of the wire were really good and myself grown up in baltimore love this show to DEATH!