MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[GroBoy2000]

Truly a shame it's done.....anything, anytime, anywhere, in the open, mid day.....no restrictions at all...Truly a shame that one lost....(and I really need a lot more of that PPP......asap....so...have to get on something soon .. was very well received and not nearly enough....so.....what can I say....been missing the Tues/Thurs meetings lately

PPP, you mean the fems purple powers right? Hoping to order a hundred or so of those to give this spring thing a try. Hoping to see more of their strains available again soon.

Ahhh...nothing like a real good spot, not just a spot that produces for you, but a spot that you feel good about every time you think about it

In one such small spot, hoping to do 3 beds for my spring, each about 10x10, might do about 75 in each bed, might do 100, if I'm assuming a 1/2oz to an oz a plant, and its nearly straight 12/12, I'd imagine they really dont need more than a sqft each

For minis, unless line planting...I'd just do a bed, a lot more fun to start tearing up a large square space and spending the day doing it than bending down for a few scoops at a time...

So...heres my timeline that I've figured, worked from the end result, just an overview, since probably wont keep a 'grow diary' for this (and try to keep logs on HD to a minimum also)

want 200-300 minis in may basically, not to much eh? just a test me thinks...currently have 18 plants (60-70day variety) in veg that I hope to get 8 good females from, 20+ cuts from each right at 2 months old (sprouted nov 20some), giving me about 160 rooted clones @ Feb 10th,
since its a 60-70 day strain as opposed to 45-55, want to root clone and give extra week of 12/12 inside

To receive and begin germing short flowering fems by Feb 10, need to order 50-150 seeds by Jan 10@ the latest, hopefully get about 10 days of veg on those....

All this should set me up to drop 2-300 baby females off around feb 21, in order to harvest between April 20-30, just as daylight approaches 13.5 hours of daylight...

Consider me tuned to the thread, want to see what else is to be covered, how much one thread can encompass...interesting and enjoyable, and a true anyone anywhere anytime guide...

 

[Julian]

PPP, you mean the fems purple powers right? Hoping to order a hundred or so of those to give this spring thing a try. Hoping to see more of their strains available again soon.

No....DP fem Power Plants...

I think I didn't give the Purple Powers enough credit, but, dollar for dollar would rather do Marocs or any number of other things in their line up......

Just my personal opinion of course for various reasons.....

Ahhh...nothing like a real good spot, not just a spot that produces for you, but a spot that you feel good about every time you think about it

With the overall picture we face....."free reign" is almost unimaginable to most I am sure....and worth 10 times it's weight in gold.......(literally......)

In one such small spot, hoping to do 3 beds for my spring, each about 10x10, might do about 75 in each bed, might do 100, if I'm assuming a 1/2oz to an oz a plant, and its nearly straight 12/12, I'd imagine they really dont need more than a sqft each

For the most part......

Only thing I didnt get in here that would have really, really, really served a purpose to illustrate was mini patches........sq ft is about right.....and works quite well actually that way....

Note the above....only fems for tight spacing....if m/f....your going to have to get in there to sex and they're so small, and so tight, really.....I mean....it's like "twister" shit for lack of a better description/explanation..........very difficult (same with cutting them...cut at base, very short, very close....your on hands and knees if your doing larger patches....)

For minis, unless line planting...I'd just do a bed, a lot more fun to start tearing up a large square space and spending the day doing it than bending down for a few scoops at a time...

Well, you still will.....(ie: if you turn whole plot.......nutes, etc, etc.....then still have to go back and plant and, still doing scoops with hand spade.....just very simple, and blindingly quick because spot already prepped and good to go.........****......spots already prepped and ready when I do that?./.......4 a minute maybe when into it and in th3 zone?? Add another person and do the math.....

want 200-300 minis in may basically, not to much eh?

In the whole scheme of things?.....given the speed and size?....No.....not much at all......(much smaller and much more stealthy than it sounds on the surface...you have to be right on top of them to tell....in in forest?, etc?....laughably stealthy...even urban....lot can get away lot more than they think.......

(I get a good large mini run....I'll Throw some out there, and, ..........sure most would find it interesting (talking half acre..,..acre....etc......plus, again, entire concept is the speed of them.....and, height, etc...each and every one reduces risk, so....downfall to mini's is the numbers though, which some can';t get past.....

just a test me thinks...currently have 18 plants (60-70day variety) in veg that I hope to get 8 good females from, 20+ cuts from each right at 2 months old (sprouted nov 20some), giving me about 160 rooted clones @ Feb 10th,
since its a 60-70 day strain as opposed to 45-55, want to root clone and give extra week of 12/12 inside

Don't forget depending on region, location, etc, that you might have to fence also.....so.....(I usually don't in most spots....I'd rather lose some than have a fence up...to me and my situation....the fence is more risk than the animals and loss......all depends on your spot.....

To receive and begin germing short flowering fems by Feb 10, need to order 50-150 seeds by Jan 10@ the latest, hopefully get about 10 days of veg on those....

All this should set me up to drop 2-300 baby females off around feb 21, in order to harvest between April 20-30, just as daylight approaches 13.5 hours of daylight...

Consider me tuned to the thread, want to see what else is to be covered, how much one thread can encompass...interesting and enjoyable, and a true anyone anywhere anytime guide...

Kind of you to say...glad of interest and good luck .....

On that note:
For every minute one plans....for every thing one learns.....for every second spent contemplating the various aspects...risk is reduced probably 10 fold........ie: the more one addresses everything from the start the fewer problems one will have down the line, or, at the very least the better prepared when something deviates from the plan.......(which is a common occurrence...shit happens.....is what it is......the more well versed one is and flexible...mobile, etc...the easier problems are dealt with....

 

[NPK]

See....I always go by night temps as deciding factor.....

Actually, that makes the most sense. I guess the night temps weren't too low for my late-winter girls last season.

Why not just use carts....something...(I always shoot for things that can be rolled, etc......) Could do something make it easier....(or vs. versa with building...lot of things where you just remove covers instead, etc...

Yeah, I was a madman for not planning that out better last year; caused me a LOT of unnecessary work. I'm definitely going to use some kind of cart this year. In fact, one guy in my forcing thread suggested doing a SOG. I'd really like to try that in two-gallon gallon containers on a rolling platform, but have to watch my numbers in my yard. Legally, I'm only allowed 20 outside (on my property). It's tempting to push the numbers, but I won't need to with the multiple plots I hope to have.

Most of the time I really have no interest in them due to attention (daily....) typically I'd rather just stay away (was talking to someone just last night about that....minimal oversight/visits...etc......)

It's true, they're a lot of hands-on work. I enjoy it, but you do have to be very present. Last year my wife and I weren't able to get away at all, not even for a weekend. That gets to be a grind.

Last year I grew outdoors in coco, and it took at least an hour every day just to water, and sometimes more, with plants in all different stages and having different requirements. It was a fun experiment, but a huge time-eater. HUGE. I'm going back to dirt.

Plus...I tend to push things a little farther than I should in general.....I've seen a lot of things...(outbuildings, structures, greenhouses, etc.....)...they always make me a little nervous..(setting them up, on land, etc.....)

Yeah, agreed. The extra structure thing is somewhat nervous-making. Mine was behind a fence, and will be again, but still...I'm in a populous suburban neighborhood. Nice neighborhood but has seen its share of burglaries this year. Anything could happen. I'm actually going to get a dog for that very reason.

Depends on your numbers.....health (yours)....I mean...if you work straight through........and, can handle it...you'd be surprised at what you could do (numbers) even yourself in an entire single day....(mini's.....small holes...minimal prep?......single person could easily do I think whatever they like......my later runs I was doing 100 an hour....but, that was serious quick and no breaks.....non stop...pushing, etc......dry mix...holes probably like a 16 oz cup size more or less.....)

I'm a healthy guy, in pretty good shape. Could stand to lose a few but strong and vigorous. I think I can plant an absolute shitload of tiny clones by myself, no problem, if the soil is loose enough. I am sure 200 in a day would be totally do-able. The tough part would be harvesting 'em.

You were doing 100 per hour? Madman!

 

[Julian]

Actually, that makes the most sense. I guess the night temps weren't too low for my late-winter girls last season.

Yeah, start of season always keeping an eye on temps maintaining because they go back and forth a little, sometimes you get a "fake out" or false start...ie: Looks nice, but, if you jump the gun would be screwed because drops back down, etc, so.....

Yeah, I was a madman for not planning that out better last year; caused me a LOT of unnecessary work. I'm definitely going to use some kind of cart this year. In fact, one guy in my forcing thread suggested doing a SOG. I'd really like to try that in two-gallon gallon containers on a rolling platform, but have to watch my numbers in my yard. Legally, I'm only allowed 20 outside (on my property). It's tempting to push the numbers, but I won't need to with the multiple plots I hope to have.

Yeah, mini's (SOG), but, yeah, of course, numbers always the issue....If your looking at a count restriction only makes sense to do em larger.......still though, at the very least something to assist you...**** carrying em .....(especially if larger ones, pots, etc.....

It's true, they're a lot of hands-on work. I enjoy it, but you do have to be very present. Last year my wife and I weren't able to get away at all, not even for a weekend. That gets to be a grind.

Believe me....... I know the feeling....(unable to get away.........) I know man.........and my guys know.........

Last year I grew outdoors in coco, and it took at least an hour every day just to water, and sometimes more, with plants in all different stages and having different requirements. It was a fun experiment, but a huge time-eater. HUGE. I'm going back to dirt.

I gotcha......I gotcha.....(when I prep also I hand water daily (the dip/full submersion...) sometimes well over an hour/2.....daily....weeks upon weeks at a time....

Yeah, agreed. The extra structure thing is somewhat nervous-making. Mine was behind a fence, and will be again, but still...I'm in a populous suburban neighborhood. Nice neighborhood but has seen its share of burglaries this year. Anything could happen. I'm actually going to get a dog for that very reason.

Yeah...I always wonder about that when I see them..(greenhouses, enclosures, etc...)...Bout 10 years ago I lost something I was trying to buy...(single family larger home, with a pair of extremely nice greenhouses......) but, probably would have been my downfall ....but, yeah man...you know, you can also get the shaded ones.....made for forcing, etc......(most I have seen not very larger though.......think I am going to do a pool op soon (early round).....ws looking at something earlier this season with an olympic sized, drained .....Didn't grab it......might, we'll see ....

I'm a healthy guy, in pretty good shape. Could stand to lose a few but strong and vigorous. I think I can plant an absolute shitload of tiny clones by myself, no problem, if the soil is loose enough. I am sure 200 in a day would be totally do-able. The tough part would be harvesting 'em.

You were doing 100 per hour? Madman!

.....yeah, last smaller round I did was less than an hour........basically stab (hand spade), twist/turn, handful dry mix, plant, water, next.......(and, make no mistake....those times are done with an urgent sense of purpose Rapid fire ...stab,twist,nutes (can also be nutes twist also ) plant and some water....Yeah man....smaller they are, and, smaller the hole.....little focus can do enormous amounts fairly quickly and easily......

Yeah man, I always find prepping before season helps (yourself, in shape, etc), and, never a bad thing.......Last season went so far as to actually be in best shape of my entire life.......was outrageous.....change diet, cut the smoking, as much exercise as possible, etc....

 

[Julian]

Wire Notes:
Countdown begins.....everything new on ondemand.....and, of course, if I hear right..(from HBO)....first episode will not be January 6th....should be December 30th at midnight-2am.......specials today and tomorrow will be on ondemand (tonights has been all week I think.....)

And...please.....if your a Wire fan......watch the show......(I had a huge Wire conversation with someone today and it seemed like they had never seen it (they have, they're junkies also , but was like we watched different show...they had no idea what I was talking about.....

Here's a hint though for fans
If you go to 1st episode of 4 (or any season I think), the intro has clips of the entire season....ie: First episode of S4...you can see clips of the bodies and vacants, etc, etc.......intro is comprised of clips from entire season ...So, 1st episode, your watching clips from last.........

 

[marto]

pool scene

pool scene

hey julian, have you ever done or seen a pool op before. Have
trouble grasping the risk/reward aspect of it. Seems like it would be tons of prep and a red flag from air.... and all that for minis which you can easily plant by the hundreds in all your country/city spots. I'd love to see pics of anyone whose pulled it off.

 

[Guest]

i think red flag from the air can be avoided if you cover properly.........plenty of covers that let light enough light in but barely allow a view in. light shade cloth over clear poly with something to keep it tented up at an incline to let rain roll off comes to mind. could even run CO2 since it sinks and the propane (if thats how you were making the CO2) would provide a nice heat source for those colder nights.

keep in mind, i have no experience with this type of thing so who knows if my idea is even close to accurate.....

 

[Julian]

Well, again, several aspects......

1. Problem from air?......well, that would be assuming every inch of entire nation is flown , which is far from accurate ....far from accurate...ultimate in safety from ground level......lot of places also have city issues which they also have to be fenced.....

2. Plus, to the best of my knowledge eradication efforts not going on in May/June in most places ... Might be in some...not in most.....

Yeah, use of pools goes way, way back..(80's or before....), and, regarding the shade cloth and such, another thing which goes back is structures with roofs removed....(from high in air, looks like a tar roof ........)

YYyyyep...can run CO2 with the pools.....absolutely......

No more prep than any other project and doesn't necessarily have to be mini's...can be whatever one wants....any size, trigger.....

Nah, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to do one in any of my locations....not a moment.....I'd be done, packed and cured and going for a swim before the teams even started thinking about going out for the year ....

Goes back to earlier points.....so many obsess over a spot which no human will ever visit or observe.....

I just need my 90 days ......can bring in crews level and build condos on it after that for all I care ....

Edit: My only problem is I love pools ...but, could have it up and running by July (when you need it anyway ....) Plus, would rather have a little veg time on em......at least couple weeks...couple weeks veg can make a huge difference.....especially outside......If I was to run such I'd do a little larger than mini's (just to cut the work down......but would keep it solid color........don't forget also, not all pools now crystal clear...they do a lot of the "lagoon's" also (dark bottoms...looks like patch of asphalt from air....lot of different views...etc....from air would not look like one would think

 

[Julian]

All goes back to basics....which is a "season" is not a season.......can do late runs small....can do AF's early small....can force early.......can eliminate early and go mid season for medium sized.....you use what approaches are appropriate to your situation, spots and needs.......I've never met anyone who couldn't pull a round somehow.....(the majority being those who insisted they could not until they did ......)

Perception....views....all about doing what you can to pull a round...whatever , whenever, and however that may be ....

Right now...for me?......I'd like to run a pool (I have always done perimeters of pool...inside fenceline, and outside depending on layout of house and lot (ie: meters.....)Last run I did did inside and 3 sides of exterior fence......(not side facing house....)

 

[HOVAH]

Thank you Julian for helping me get over the fear of high numbers.

 

[Julian]

Thank you Julian for helping me get over the fear of high numbers.

Well.......fear shouldn't be completely gone ...just put in perspective.......ie: Your overall total for season and all spots has little to do with a single spot.........2 completely different things......(my total could be 200 spots...I have no idea exactly how many.....) and, of course, depends how you do it....mini's can get couple hundred in very small space, safe secure, stealth, quick, etc...vs. larger ones...have to run less, spread em out, etc..(can also spread the smaller ones out.......I don't believe in "patches" per se.....you always want everything spread out.....total means absolutely nothing.....how many per spot and method means more.....

 

[NEToker]

well i bring up an issue w/ this..how the hell are you gonna remember where u put every single plant? I am probably going to do 4 sites of 5 females each..totalling 20

 

[Julian]

On a different note.....despite not having a good day and being in an absolutely vicious and rabid (frothing at the mouth ) mood today (wish I could shake it....ruined my whole holiday...going to run out and do rounds and have a couple drinks shortly...maybe will change everything ) .........Happy Holidays to all..........Happiness....Peace......Joy to all.....and your families.......and may 2008 hold nothing but peace and prosperity to all.......


(and, of course, Wire should start 6 days from today! (31st, 12am?, ondemand?) Personally...I have a feeling it will be the best season yet..........

I was a big Soprano's fan.......but, problem with Soprano's was it always "let you down"........hour episodes that are as short as 39 minutes long, 2 years between seasons....wasting last season on trivial matters, etc...but, was talking with someone about the Wire, and, one things for sure.....Wire never let's you down...always a surprise, always fast moving, always multiple storylines...hour long episodes an hour, etc.....so...looking forward to it..(nothing for me to watch right now ...)

Regardless......

Seasons Greetings to all.....happy for all that came in safe.......and best wishes to those who didn't..( a few....) A Merry Christmas......a Happier New Year.....and a prosperous 2008........

 

[Julian]

well i bring up an issue w/ this..how the hell are you gonna remember where u put every single plant? I am probably going to do 4 sites of 5 females each..totalling 20

I'm sorry man, I missed this......got in between those 2 posts.....

Well, lot of people do lot of things...some like GPS (I don't think a hard copy of all locations in anyones interest, especially if your running any numbers......they know what they are, they know what they're for...so....) I associate best with physical landmarks...and, as above....I'm sure I've missed some here and there fairly frequently........(I've been cursed with a photographic memory, so.......and, yes...it is a curse...not a boast...I can't even begin to list the things I wish I could forget ...) I think a paper hard copy (and a couple copies of that) are best way to go.......(and, plus....sometimes I also "map" in advance where and what and when, etc......but, again, written right......my map for example might say NFbv/Nt4/5.75/BoS/1..(which might mean "nasty ****in bud valley,next round which is maybe the 4th round, done on May 18th,BOG SB,100........) etc.....plus kind of helps in establishing initial numbers etc....know which spots are which, when, where, etc.......I associate spots with it's characteristics......so....a sunny hill.....a valley....a wet lower ground..etc, and, then of course they all fall into sub categories...(wet, lower ground might be overall location, but, that might have several different spots spread out in that overall area.....then sometimes might throw some along the way from one to the next farther away, etc.......

Yeah...I've walked past plants like I think we all have ...I have left things behind because don't think I remembered where all were, etc....you know....is what it is......(plus, again....I don't do same spots and same way all the time anyway, so...all above in thread just an example of one current project (bigger, left smaller ones out for the most part....included a little here and there when applicable and on topic (my temp smaller mini........one track location......etc, etc.....) Next one could run only mini's....might run early things...might do a lot, might do a little.....really no idea....so......You do what you can, when you can, where you can, how you can....nothing more you can do....you work with what you have at the time......Yeah....current larger spot done.....most likely never a run there again..large, small, trees, mini's...anything...as in done......What can ya do......

Editlus...a lot of spots....there is only one way to plant, so...you can come to the top of a hill, look around and not even have to have a map because you know where you put em...ie: on the sides, in the corners...other spots spread oput in center, etc....and then circling all here and there, etc....so...not as difficult as it sounds to remember where everything is for the most part..........Not as difficult as it sounds....I know the overview, then I know how divided, then how each of those were cut up and such....(numbers?...well, numbers then a different problem....as earlier in thread...you get to a point and numbers really are secondary and don't matter....which is kind of why I laugh when people talk about numbers....numbers are an afterthought....a mere baseline for supplies....once you get going man....things develop a momentum of their own ......exact count not important.....in the least...ie: more than enough to make you happy, more than enough work to do......pointless to spend all that time counting when other things to be done and numbers really mean nothing anyway......as in, if you learned your exact number...would merely be a "wow....really?"...and, then back to work .....

 

[Brad]

merry christmas y'all

 

[Julian]

Back to ya man......Thanks.....

Yeah...I usually lose count after about first 6 weeks or so (conversation with partners is..."well, first we did 5 over there, this and that strain, then we did the 250's (2), then we did another 5 that week during week, then on weekend another 250+/-but then I did 3 a week over at my other sites,....then we did 2 there, then I did 2 there,1 there"....then I'm confused which was where and how many, etc....which is one of the reasons I suggested mapping an overview..(what, where, how, etc.....)...easy to get wrapped up lose track of certain things.....

All depends....different people remember and learn things different ways.....etc....I know an overview of land, then , again, all sections cut up on land, and how those were then cut up, and, ideas as to when and where...sometimes will make certain areas all similar (finishing times, strains, etc)...all depends....again...this spot gone now....so...next will be completely different....might be able to run same, might be able to run more, might have to run less or even do a couple different projects of less to get total....so........every op different....

 

[NEToker]

Merry Xmas to all

 

[Fast_Pine]

Yeah, **** yeah!...Merry Christmas commercial growers!!!!



This christmas tree needs some damn lights...

 

[Pimpslapped]

Merry Christmas!

Best wishes to all out there growin' the good green.

 

[RED145]

Merry Christmas!

Best wishes to all out there growin' the good green.

Ditto..
Happy Holidaze Julian