MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Reibsi]

Julian.........I do grow some of my Afis in holes, how be it the older holes that i`ve been using for over 10 years but sometimes the use of a pot is not only necessary but can be a godsend.
I`ve enclosed a few pics from one of my floating bog sites.....I don`t know if the exist where you are but up here on the East Coast of Canada we are blessed with a wide diversity of growing areas.... The provinces #1 resource is forestry.....and that`s a good thing.
A floating bog is made of of peat moss that`s most often about a foot to 18 inches deep and lies on top of a clay bed.......it`s most often fed by a spring that runs into it....the water lies just below the surface and stays their at variable depths throughout the year......It`s lowest point is now and by spring it will be an inch or two below the surface.
The peat moss acts like a natural filter and although the water turns brown when agitated it will clear up given time and when you set a 5 gallon pail down the water will clear in a few minutes with any dirt settling in the bottom while the peat moss tends to float to the surface........you can see that i dug a test hole earlier this summer and used the water from it on a few test plants with no adverse reactions..............you can also see that i`ve now expanded that hole by about 10 times and i`ll dig it a little bit bigger.
If you look hard in the pic with the empty pots in it you can see the shovel sticking up out of the hole in the background.
I will grow 100 Afis in pots at this site next year using nothing else but the water from this hole.......and a few choice nutes. The great thing about this particular site is the water just below the surface.........I can let these go a week or more with no problems at all because the plants send out tap roots through the sides/bottoms of the pots and hook into the peat moss....which draws water from the bog........bonus`s of the bogs are...no animals to contend with and no trails to follow...........wet feet and flys tend to keep people out of such areas...............i could go on and on but i think you get my drift.








the floating bog..................i dare anyone to say it`s not a good idea....!

 

[Julian]

Julian.........I do grow some of my Afis in holes, how be it the older holes that i`ve been using for over 10 years but sometimes the use of a pot is not only necessary but can be a godsend.

When I do the same place/op in same spot(s),(for a couple yrs, etc) I keep a lot of the same spots and holes for the most part..(I try...). Was just wondering about the pots...doesn't really suit my objectives though (extra work, soil's good, etc..)

I`ve enclosed a few pics from one of my floating bog sites.....I don`t know if the exist where you are but up here on the East Coast of Canada we are blessed with a wide diversity of growing areas.... The provinces #1 resource is forestry.....and that`s a good thing.

I gotcha....I have some "lower" areas where water table is fairly high....but, usually just aid's my typical approach, and, then once plants are established, I know they will be fine..(it's a low ground, rivers and streams close, so...water table maybe couple feet below surface...) ie: Don't have em, but, know what they are and spots near larger rivers and lower similar in general....

A floating bog is made of of peat moss that`s most often about a foot to 18 inches deep and lies on top of a clay bed.......it`s most often fed by a spring that runs into it....the water lies just below the surface and stays their at variable depths throughout the year......It`s lowest point is now and by spring it will be an inch or two below the surface.

Got it....so.....don't your roots grow straight through pots and then stay fine?.....(Correction......you do a constant feed though, etc....was thinking organics in pots, etc.....)

The peat moss acts like a natural filter

Yeah...isn't it a natural antiseptic?......(could drink water through it....)

and although the water turns brown when agitated it will clear up given time and when you set a 5 gallon pail down the water will clear in a few minutes with any dirt settling in the bottom while the peat moss tends to float to the surface........you can see that i dug a test hole earlier this summer and used the water from it on a few test plants with no adverse reactions..............you can also see that i`ve now expanded that hole by about 10 times and i`ll dig it a little bit bigger.

For plants/plating...I would assume water is fine....(clear, dark, etc.....wouldn't assume it matters for our purposes.....)

If you look hard in the pic with the empty pots in it you can see the shovel sticking up out of the hole in the background.
I will grow 100 Afis in pots at this site next year using nothing else but the water from this hole.......and a few choice nutes. The great thing about this particular site is the water just below the surface.........I can let these go a week or more with no problems at all because the plants send out tap roots through the sides/bottoms of the pots and hook into the peat moss....which draws water from the bog........bonus`s of the bogs are...no animals to contend with and no trails to follow...........wet feet and flys tend to keep people out of such areas...............i could go on and on but i think you get my drift.

I got it.......yeah...the areas that I have issue is only once in a while (every couple years) heavy rains will bring it wayyyy up.....depends...sometimes for those areas we do a couple different things (anticipating rise and fall of water levels...)

Works many ways (bugs and water deterrent....) one of my best spots this year was the largest concentration of mosquitos I have seen in my entire life Even too much for animals (no idea..a joke... ws a lot...almost made the air black with limited visibility )

 

[pakalolo420]

Mosquitos (deer and horseflies too) make wonderful guard animals in swampy areas. They will keep anyone but the craziest or most determined away if they're thick enough. You need full coverage and nobody wears full body coverage in the heat of summer. Most guys go into the woods in summer in shorts and a T. Finding spots that are practically impossible to access in shorts and/or a T-shirt ain't too hard in most woods- thick brush, brambles, thorny plants, poison oak/ivy/sumac... all your potential friends.

 

[Julian]

Yeah, I also did another in a sumac patch/valley (earlier pics) which worked extremely well.......despite a minor case that I had mid season (one partner got it 10 times worse than me......)...(not sure if it was the sumac though, could have got it at another spot........either way was pretty unpleasant)

We did a lot of pretty unpleasant/inconvenient spots... , also fair focus on spots that pretty much require foot access overall by anyone else very far in...(Behind locks/private property....quite a while in trucks, so...only foot or ATV...and, ATV a problem due to a lot of locations....)

 

[Julian]

So, trying to finish up and wrap up all ends.....which always includes all pics killed, (I usually never carry pics over from handle to another...pics always die with handle and new handles, new pics, new projects, etc....)

Random comments......

So......this time it seems we are just going to do bubble runs weekly with all trim from that week, as compared to what I prefer , which is holding it all and making a weekend out of running it all straight through......(Which is a problem of course because even though it's trim and popcorn and mold and such, weight is weight, so.....is riskier keeping it around, so, we're just going to run it weekly....

Of course, I start the mix, then, of course, throw in a smigden of bud and trim, then, of course little more ice..., then, of course you mix that shit up....

(Note those contractor bags......could throw a 30-40 gallon can in it and ties it shut and wouldn't break...they kill ...)

Now, as previous, I like to do multiple runs to save time, more efficient for me, etc, but, screens clog up fairly easily, so, have to be pulled.... Toss and bounce it.., and, your good to go...(My target is always "smaller than a baseball, bigger than a racquetball each screen" more or less...that probably mass of 2 packs of smokes, etc (from one screen....)

Note:I do a lot less "settle time" on each batch, and, strain right out and replace.....

Regarding sites, spots, etc....came across some others that are good location example spots.....

I tend to stay away if possible from "out in the open" in general..prefer treelines and such...perimeters of clearings, etc...so...

Example of some corners of clearings..along treelines.....I like the treelines, and, also, an example of surrounding vegetation and how dense sometimes areas are....not always open and clear.....

But, I also like the hillsides and slopes, and, when possible, I will insert smaller ones working my way into the open (large around perimeter, smaller in open, which is nice, because they get a lot of sun........

(Was looking through before I deleted and wiped all...probably have another 1,000 more pics on top of what's now about 110-120 in thread...)

Last , but not least , of course, here's a wide shot of a stretch of track......,(Pic/link removed)planted the entire length.....can see in background high rises ...(edited out to prevent angle and area....). Stretch there was planted from pic to far past train in distance.....both sides are 4 lane streets. Tracks are about 15 feet higher than ground level, and, about 20 feet more or less of vegetation between track and slope and back of factories...warehouses...all solid brick rears, no windows, no doors, with chain link and barbed wire between private property and railroad.......

(And, before anyone thinks they know where it is......1,000 locations exactly like it across nation....so ...nothing special...no specifics...could be anywhere.....)

Anyway...if I find any more of interest or illustrating points, will get them up before all cleaned and done.......

Not sure if and when will do another, or where (current partner disappeared...no one has seen him or knows where he is...have a feeling he won't be back....so.....he's gone...that project done...did that location for about 5 years or so I think....not sure if we skipped a yr or two.....), but, am waiting on some Strawberry Diesel, some Deep Chunk, and, have more BOG SB stock, and, some other nice things, (and, on course, the AKxBB AF's) thinking about doing a fem run for stock, so, if and when I do .....will have a lot on hand.....(if I started now, would have all finished maybe April 1st next season......)

Otherwise....hope all are well......hope all finishing up season...everything good.......

 

[Lucky U]

I love this thread, thanks for the info Julian!!!!

 

[Julian]

Very kind of you to say......

Glad something of interest and something of value...of use.....

 

[Julian]

btw........flick earlier mentioned.."Homegrown"......

Well...I was told , for many reasons, was something I had to see....

After seeing it?.....

If your reading this thread, in this forum, on this site.....it is, indeed, something you have to see also ...

Movie fukin kills.......

(Have to pay close attention though......first time I saw it with people...missed some things, etc....saw it again and caught it all and fukin pretty deep...not the "silly comedy" I expected, or led to expect....)

Not at all......

Yes.......something all should see.......

(Different reasons I was told to see it....but, nonetheless..........good flick....couple slow moments....couple moments inaccurate, etc, but, overall?.......was good...liked it very much....very much........best thing to date I have ever seen on our favorite botanical treat )...

 

[Julian]

A reminder of course what thread is, and is about.........

As first post......not my thread....not about me...not about my projects.....

A continuation (as stated in first post, and, as stated in sister thread before first post) of other thread, and topic, of how such might be done, what might be involved, and, the issues one might face in the process.....

Certainly not all encompassing because all have slightly different situations, significantly different locations, and, dramatically different motives, styles, approaches and methods......

Just did so because thought could offer something not readily found on subject....(and was into the outdoor season already, so, thought an appropriate addition, so as to keep outdoor commentary out of the sister indoor thread.......two separate topics......)

On the note of the minor distraction earlier...(and again maybe ).......

This site has many members.......with many interests, and, as such...many forums, containing many threads......

Not every member has an interest in every thread...(although some do feel the need to offer their input, or, in some cases continually force it...)

A member reads what is of interest...offers what they think they can to threads which they have knowledge and interest.....Such is the beauty of freedom of choice ......freedom of thought......etc....(It's always amusing that, on such a site, with such a topic, you will see behavior completely contradictory to everything we essentially stand for ....)

That's what we're doing here.......

That's what this is....

That's how adults interact with each other......

I apologize for inviting something unpleasant....(and, continuing to...).....but, as relating to above.......I would not take such anywhere else, and, won't here....(flip side being many would not behave in such ways anywhere else, but, do here.....)

So...forgive any minor distractions yet to come.........

I can promise though they will be entertaining ...

And...maybe, just maybe.....in the process......people might learn some surprising things about whoever decides to step up..

.....

 

[Julian]

Bubble note:
I know...well aware of running it through machines......and, has been on my list for a while (pick one or two up or assign and send someone to...), but, just one of those things....never time for it...no one wants to...other things to do at the time, etc,......

(Referring to running all bubble through washing machines and then rinse/drain them through the bags....)

Just haven't gotten around to it......was discussing it again this week.....would cut out a lot of work....

Edit also for above........
Bottoms cut out of 5 gal's with bags so drains right through into floor drains...no straining needed they way I run it.....

Depends....I usually only run it once a year, so, when we start a little out of practice, and, with each run more efficient, etc.....(I haven't in a yr, so ........) filled high, so, pur into first 2 bags, then pour through others(which drain right through into floor drains...)

Then, when a little less and more empty (the 30 whatever gallon), just flip and pour through and strain and drain into floor drains and strain product because gets clogged really fast usually (with resin ....as above..was only 1 bag..imagine all bags that full......so.....better to empty more often....makes it easier to drain, work with, etc....) At least for me.......

 

[Pimpslapped]

Playing catchup this morning, looks like I missed a bit of excitement around here. Or at least some drinking...

So, trying to finish up and wrap up all ends.....which always includes all pics killed, (I usually never carry pics over from handle to another...pics always die with handle and new handles, new pics, new projects, etc....)

Looking forward to seeing what may come around next. Will keep an eye open.

(Was looking through before I deleted and wiped all...probably have another 1,000 more pics on top of what's now about 110-120 in thread...)

Shame they'll all be going away, but the reasons are understandable. I have say it's always nice seeing the pictures, hidden away in the posts like juicy little treats. You do a good job, IMO, of putting the pictures in context in a straightforward way.
I need to check out 'Homegrown', though I haven't come across it in my random movie hunting. Mind you I haven't been looking too hard just yet.

I can promise though they will be entertaining ...

I don't doubt that. Mind you, I can see where some are coming from with intent if not execution....

Ahh well, back to lurking again for a while. Haven't had much to contribute of late, but we're really outside my realm of experience at this point.

Be safe all.

 

[Julian]

Playing catchup this morning, looks like I missed a bit of excitement around here. Or at least some drinking...

Neither....just business as usual......

Looking forward to seeing what may come around next. Will keep an eye open.

Kind of a personal statement....some seem to post up same pics year after year...always the same.....(although between batches and handles I do keep a couple....for specific reasons ...)

Shame they'll all be going away, but the reasons are understandable. I have say it's always nice seeing the pictures, hidden away in the posts like juicy little treats. You do a good job, IMO, of putting the pictures in context in a straightforward way.

Thanks man....Well, I would rather not have had any pics at all, but, seemed to be of use to illustrate points, so...

Had I known all the bullshit...I wouldn't have posted any at all ..

I've been around far too long, and showed far too much to have to "prove" anything to anyone..(Let alone, I don't believe in it.......It's always the littlest and most insignificant who want them anyway....who have no true interest in discussion or topic to start with ....

I need to check out 'Homegrown', though I haven't come across it in my random movie hunting. Mind you I haven't been looking too hard just yet.

As I was told......."Yes....you have to"

Have to pay attention though.....first seconds/minutes especially, as lay's out everything to come....most miss it.....significance of it......

I'd go rent it today ...

Like I said man.....this thread? This forum? This site?

There shouldn't be anyone here who hasn't seen it

(Naysayers would offer negatives.....but, for me?...Was too close to real to not like it.......couple stupid and inaccurate moments here and there, but, it's a ****in movie..........)

I don't doubt that. Mind you, I can see where some are coming from with intent if not execution....

Ya lost me ....early and swamped

Haven't had much to contribute of late, but we're really outside my realm of experience at this point.

Ehhhh.........don't let that stop you....

Doesn't stop anyone else...

 

[Pimpslapped]

Thanks man....Well, I would rather not have had any pics at all, but, seemed to be of use to illustrate points, so...

I can understand that. It's just that from my perspective, visual references help if in no other way than aiding my recall later. And... I like looking at pretty pictures, especially when relevant to topic at hand. I do like that in this case they never intruded overmuch and overshadowed the actual discussions taking place. At least IMO.

(Naysayers would offer negatives.....but, for me?...Was too close to real to not like it.......couple stupid and inaccurate moments here and there, but, it's a ****in movie..........)

Sounds good. I'll see if I can track it down later today, but I have a feeling I may have to go out of my way a fair bit to find it. It's on my to-do list though.

Had I known all the bullshit...I wouldn't have posted any at all ..
(snip)
Ya lost me ....early and swamped

Just saying on some of the random stuff flying around, I can see where some people are coming from with their stated concerns. (Not saying anything related to actual motivation or intent on any side). Though I think it just goes to show they didn't really pay attention to things. This particular thread seems to take the stance that we're all mature adults who are here to discuss a topic of interest and that anyone reading has an appreciation for all the risks and work that may be involved. It's not like you're here trying to TELL EVERYBODY that they should be out growing 50,000 plants a season. At least that's not the impression I ever got.

Ehhhh.........don't let that stop you....

Doesn't stop anyone else...

Yeah... but I try not to be everyone else. I'd rather sit down and converse than wander by and confront.

 

[Julian]

I do like that in this case they never intruded overmuch and overshadowed the actual discussions taking place.

That's why I do links.....

Sounds good. I'll see if I can track it down later today, but I have a feeling I may have to go out of my way a fair bit to find it. It's on my to-do list though.

Nah mannnnnn..look up nearest blockbuster online and call and see if they have it....probably will....no biggie...

Just saying on some of the random stuff flying around, I can see where some people are coming from with their stated concerns. Though I think it just goes to show they didn't really pay attention to things. This particular thread seems to take the stance that we're all mature adults who are here to discuss a topic of interest and that anyone reading has an appreciation for all the risks and work that may be involved. It's not like you're here trying to TELL EVERYBODY that they should be out growing 50,000 plants a season. At least that's not the impression I ever got.

Merely a discussion of topic continued from other thread...theoretical...(in this case a little less, as illustrated points,but, original tone and point still stands...)

I think anything else is more peoples own issues with themselves ...the need to force their opinions on all...to dictate everyone's actions..(only then to have a hissy fit if they do not)...all in all, just people acting in ways which would normally be unacceptable, and, they would normally not in life.....

whatever....

yeah, call local BB.....simple as that..(you won't be sorry ....)

 

[Guest]

digs the link pics also, as opposed to the obtrusive beauty of frosty shots

I looked for Homegrown after the first post praising it, couldnt find it, so grabbed a rip, started last night, fell asleep watching it, great flick so far, wish i had someone around who could appreciate it it more with me but....eh...

unfortunately old partner, friend, relative, whatever, has got me worried(not worried, just not feeling 'it', not feeling his interest/commitment....

I also grabbed a book recently upon your words julian, and i must say i like it very much. Previously had mel franks growing book, didnt like it as much, read it all, or find it as useful, but the Jorge Cervantes(sp?) one I got is dripping with knowledge i hadnt known or thought of. It REALLY DOES provide something that just isnt there on the net, its very easy to read, i am absolutely positive my grow will benefit from this, many questions answered, that i never thought to search for....

Now trying to find a safe addy to have seeds sent, shoulda had this figured out, but place expected kinda unstable, is it worth it to pawn them on a neighbor, his info, have him give them ot me, or might as well just go to my house? (recently read a 'NEVER have.....sent to your house" taken

Also wondering, Julian, do you access IC from home/public or what? i hate typing in occasional strain searches of going from one seed dealer to another in my url bar, proxys slow me WAYYYY down, and hear sometime they dont do good anyways, but whats your take?

no, im not about to grow indoors, I just like to crush seeds and smoke them


also have art of war book on amazon in 'nother window right now(always loved eastern wisdom, very strong and 'rooted, true' feeling in words), waiting for a few more bucks, gotta get these 400s comin, rims, not lights i mean

 

[Guest]

coco bricks?

coco bricks?

Currently looking for more reasons why people would NOT want to use coco/coir bricks/blocks....they expand 9 times their size if what they say is true....understand needs to be wetted to reach full size, and leech salts mabe, but could be done at water source easily...

so...any comments? anyone here use coco bricks? says one little 2lb brick expands to like 2 cu. yards i think, could carry so many of those little ****ers in, so whats the problem?

To me this seems like a karmic diss, ya know, less work, lol,: but maybe Im wrong, and the environment could use some coco, any thoughts?

 

[tripples]

how bout some of this instead of coco.. custom blends.. general purpose.. compressed.. loose.. mega bales for the commercial guys.. can add mycorrhizal, biofungicides, wetting agents, nutes, shyt custom blend up whatever you want..
but then i guess if you just wanted to break up native soil coco would be great.. does it have any other benefits to it?

 

[tripples]

oops.. sorry.. http://www.premierhort.com/eProMix/Horticulture/fHorticulture.htm

 

[Guest]

Yeah, well, I really like to mix it myself, kinda like making a big dinner, hows everyone going to like it, i pay more attention i think,
Edit: not to be rude of course, thank you for mentioning it

Was thinking more along the lines of ease and stealth by using coco, 10 bricks in a backpack and boom, 20cubic yards, mixed in with about 10-20% native, but will surely keep that site bookmarked at the moment

 

[PHB]

onthecouch - I have actually been thinking the same thing for adding extra organic material to some *very* sandy/rocky mountain soil. I like the idea of not having to pack in 15cubic ft of potting soil on my back. Expanding coir on site sounds a heck of a lot easier to me.

PHB