MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[NPK]

See, that's where we differ slightly. For the most part, the smaller mini-runs appeal to me greatly. But I also really want to grow some 'trees'. Yes, greater risk of them getting found/ripped/damaged. And more of a PITA to deal with at harvest time. But I'd still like to do it. It's just something that I want to do in addition to everything else.

Oh yeah, it'd be big fun for sure. I can definitely see why you want to do it. Hopefully you'll find a good, safe spot for that project.

For your early run, are you planning on force flowering, or using an autoflower strain? Just curious.

Actually, I live in a climate where the winters are very mild (Northern Cal). The day length is still quite a bit shy of twelve hours toward the end of February and stays so into early May. In recent winters we've gotten many good days of warm (60-ish, give or take), sunshiney weather in February and March--enough that you can toss some plants outside and immediately start flowering 'em because of the still-short days. I did it successfully for the first time this year and will take advantage of that information again. My plants, which I put out March 8, were in coco and finished around 3.5' tall from soil line to top in early May. My Bogglegums did autoveg, though, so I'll be choosing strains that flower in 60 days or less. The Bog was supposed to meet that spec but didn't.

I think growing outdoors at that time of year is a security boon as well. Rippers and LEO aren't thinking about grabbing someone's ripe crop at the beginning of May. And there are fewer outdoorsy types out on hikes, if you happen to be a park type of grower.

I will be force-flowering in my yard, using a light-dep structure. Doing that allowed me to pull out an additional two crops this season.

 

[pico]

Still trucking.




here is a closeup of my blue skunk.

 

[ninfan77]

:drool:

 

[3BM]

Damn PICO those are stout, looks like some OPOP material there. Have you posted this in that thread yet? Props to you and yours!

Well J, your wisdom has proven itself once again.

I asked about the on site hang, and you replied: screen, screen, screen! Before reading that post I had chopped a nice sized patch. Checking them over I noticed mold on a few here and there. Lost about 2 out of 26 trees, not bad. Cleaned out the offenders and hung the rest as I could. Come back 4 days later thinking rain may cause some problems and it might be time to bring them in. BAM lots more mold. That 4 day period gave latent mold spores enough time to run wild. Lost 4 times more to that poor decision. If I had brought them all in as soon as I noticed the mold and scrutinized more closely I might have saved it. So let me just reiterate: SCREEN SCREEN SCREEN!

I ran into another problem too. When I boxed them for the transport home the weight of them flattened out many on the bottom. So if I were to pull them down wet, and, for necessity, bring them in immediately how do you keep them from crushing themselves? Where I come from flat buds pull less. Just a general transport issue I guess.

All in all, problems aside, they made it home safely and the quality is superb! Many thanks to you J for all the great advice you have offered here and elsewhere. If there is anything I can ever do in return you have only to ask. PM me anytime, I am in your debt.

3bm

 

[Julian]

Gentleman.....ladies........comrades in arms and our friends in law enforcement ......Good evening.....

Forgive any typos.......when I recommend something.....you know it''s a good product.......(scissors/shears......Not only can you cut apart a full chicken, then cutting through almost 1" stems, then to the the finest detail work, but, after all is said and done, still sharp enough as they day they were purchased, and, if not careful, quite easy to virtually take off a finger .....(almost took off a tip little while ago damn close..........damn close....What I get for checking email, talking on phone, watching a movie and clipping all same time ....)

The problem with many people sitting at their computers is they're comfortable, they feel that they have too much to lose, etc... So less motivation (for many) than your random homeless person.

And I bet you wouldn't even need to give the 50 bucks worth of nutes.

I bet you could turn him into a pro starting off with bagseed, McDonalds cups and a compass.

Wasn't necessarily towards you (my comment), just in general......

Homeless example?..........Absolutely more to that comment........I've been know to take care of a few here and there Not even going to go there ......(many know a couple stories )

I think growing outdoors at that time of year is a security boon as well. Rippers and LEO aren't thinking about grabbing someone's ripe crop at the beginning of May.

Anything that varies from the norm puts you another step ahead of adversaries ....Throws them off....Not what they are looking for, not what they are expecting......etc....Story above......this season drove past some fairly often......never saw em.......and, all outdoor guys can relate in occasionally walking past their very own plots occasionally ....

Damn PICO those are stout, looks like some OPOP material there. Have you posted this in that thread yet? Props to you and yours!

Very nice....what was the in date for those? Wasn't that the last minute plant after close deal? .........was July planting?........right?....

Well J, your wisdom has proven itself once again.

I asked about the on site hang, and you replied: screen, screen, screen! Before reading that post I had chopped a nice sized patch. Checking them over I noticed mold on a few here and there. Lost about 2 out of 26 trees, not bad. Cleaned out the offenders and hung the rest as I could. Come back 4 days later thinking rain may cause some problems and it might be time to bring them in. BAM lots more mold. That 4 day period gave latent mold spores enough time to run wild. Lost 4 times more to that poor decision. If I had brought them all in as soon as I noticed the mold and scrutinized more closely I might have saved it. So let me just reiterate: SCREEN SCREEN SCREEN!

I ran into another problem too. When I boxed them for the transport home the weight of them flattened out many on the bottom. So if I were to pull them down wet, and, for necessity, bring them in immediately how do you keep them from crushing themselves? Where I come from flat buds pull less. Just a general transport issue I guess.

All in all, problems aside, they made it home safely and the quality is superb! Many thanks to you J for all the great advice you have offered here and elsewhere. If there is anything I can ever do in return you have only to ask. PM me anytime, I am in your debt.

Ahhhhhh....so you see the difference between the in dry, right? (I love out hang......just love it.....)

All very good questions and an issue fresh in my mind since last 36hrs or so working and arguing with partners about mold........

Okay.......

1.Yes.....as you see......out hang......couple days.....week....very, very delicate.......and sticky .......

Packing.......as you see, yes, have to pack looser than one would otherwise due to how sticky and also delicate (too much of a compress of any kind will stick them all together, etc.......) Can bag, can box, but, can't overload...too much each container.....Have to watch it......but, also depends on what it is.....lot of strains react differently......(pulled down 3 different things today...one a little more dry, solid, turned out good....another less dry and fluffy (got compressed the most), and, something else rock solid, medium dry, and, basically did okay........so, varies also with strain, how dry, etc, regarding what can be done with it, but, very good point....(I feel bad,.....I thought I had covered every angle of explanation regarding it...guess not.........so, good it's mentioned.....)

2.Mold...I can guess or take a shot at guessing what was the problem.......because I see it often (regarding being thorough.....)

Of course, somewhere above was mentioned......(probably about me and partners arguing )

Okay, we all know, for example,that a top/large cola is not a single bud....but rather a cluster of multiple, separate flowers......

Now, the biggest problem I have always seen if of course, something might look fine on the surface...., but, you spend a little time pulling things back, getting a look at the interior, and, one finds sometimes quite a bit in bad conditions.....despite outside/casual glance looking fine.....(I see this all the time.......lately I'm running my "mold workshop" for a trainee or two .......Have to check all.......after a while...becomes fairly easy and quick once one gets the hang of it.....But, I'd be curious if that was the case (interior starting or going when cut.......because I see that a lot.....)

Have had some losses this year myself....but, as you see.....hang is good as long as it's good when cut.....rarely will anything develop mold while hanging.....Usually something that was missed......same thing would have happened if brought in and hung and it wasn't found....

White cotton sometimes a little difficult to catch......I sometimes miss a little myself (and there lies the problem....right now it's "a little"....tomorrow?........well......I'm sure all know how quickly that can spread.........

I've had some pretty large losses recently due to it..(pre cut....I only see them weekly/two weeks, so......always a crap shoot taking into consideration how far along, how much time left, weather coming in, etc........and take em or let em go..........

Glad all came out well as possible....wanted to ask you how everything was going...

Let me know if I left anything out....


Edit: This has not been a good season for many....on many levels......and, a moment of silence for our comrades that have been less than fortunate this season...........The most sincere and best wishes......What interests me varies depending on who you talk to, but, the truth is, as we all know....Objective is making it to end of season packed up and safe......what you pull is secondary, and neither here nor there....

I'm just glad to have made it this far into season safe and secure.......shortly (knock on wood), will be wrapped up and can finally get a full nights sleep ...

 

[3BM]

Amen to that, best of luck to all those in and around harvest!

On the issue of mold: it was present when I first cut. Casual glances revealed little, but had I screened closer, as you suggest, I could have seen it developing close to the stem in large colas. Peeling back the layers of the cola to really screen them would have revealed the developing issue. Usually when I look close there are faint signals of what lies beneath, on that indication dig a little deeper and cut out the affected tissue. I wasnt expecting to cut them when I arrived, and then missed my opportunity to really screen them well. So to any out there hanging on site for the first time, screen, screen, screen! If you see affected tissue, cut it out. If the situation looks dire and the weather uncooperative, bring them in and dry fast.

All in all I feel blessed just to get them in at all. In the future however I will scrutinize more closely. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! Best of luck to everyone, and many thanks J.

3bm

 

[Julian]

Amen to that, best of luck to all those in and around harvest!

Twice.............

Twice...............The enemy......the weather.....the thieves.....the mold.......Random discovery......

And people wonder why I'm so fanatical about things....Odd's always stacked against you.....success is a monumental task.....Nothing like the satisfaction of a safe and completed season........In my mind, anyone who can do so at any significant level is worthy of title of "pro"....

On the issue of mold: it was present when I first cut. Casual glances revealed little, but had I screened closer, as you suggest, I could have seen it developing close to the stem in large colas. Peeling back the layers of the cola to really screen them would have revealed the developing issue.

Yeah, that's usually the number one problem and place to look and how to check it all......if it's safe deep down...it's good across the board....That's usually my process on weather to let things go or pull em down.....(They're going to get hit first, so, if the largest and densest things are fine, they're good ...)

Hard to be thorough sometimes...I know....time consuming to fully check all...definitely...it is, but, worth it in the end......(plus, bagging stuff up when you didn't catch some for any prolonged period of time, dumping out, hanging, I mean...spreads everywhere...etc....My partners are of the school of "cut it out, save the rest", but, of course, you cut it out, some might remain, then on scissors, then on hands, then touching everything else, etc (ie: they're more worried about losing half a bud than saving the hefty it will contaminate......Best just to cut whatever infected at base and toss into bubble pile...at least how I feel......and, that's not an easy statement, because if anyone saw my bubble piles.....well .....they're comprised of some pretty impressive stuff ......

Usually when I look close there are faint signals of what lies beneath, on that indication dig a little deeper and cut out the affected tissue.

Yeah......then you pick/peel back and reveal more ......but, as above...I don't believe in "cutting it out"....sometimes I wonder if spread it worse..(then just clipping affected at base clean and tossing it...)

I wasnt expecting to cut them when I arrived, and then missed my opportunity to really screen them well. So to any out there hanging on site for the first time, screen, screen, screen! If you see affected tissue, cut it out. If the situation looks dire and the weather uncooperative, bring them in and dry fast.

Yeah, anything hit.....has to come back.....(But actually depends on specifics, because sometimes largest, densest stuff/tops will get hit, but, rest of plant is fine (not as huge and dense, etc)....so....But, as you see.....weather as a whole sometimes misunderstood....

(I frequently get into the mold conversation....some might think due to size and density, then some the weather, the some pests (worms and their waste), then environmental (spots....I do lot of deep forest spots.....dead matter everywhere, rains etc..) Then you have something might tip/fall, etc.....countless reasons why it might develop...not only one....

****.....people get mold in indoor ops .....so....

All in all I feel blessed just to get them in at all. In the future however I will scrutinize more closely. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! Best of luck to everyone, and many thanks J.

Glad all went well.....glad safe season.....Glad everything turned out good .....

 

[Julian]

So, again, was trimming, wanted to get a shot, and, a perfect example of one of the reasons I don't take pics to start with

Okay, so, there's this one, then another, then yet another.... Okay, so, then I thought well, doesn't really show size well (I smoke 100's), so, then, figured, I would try this, and, maybe better pics (quality)...so, went on to these, (CD's better show size and bulk), then another,, , and then, yet still another....(same bud...start of trim, then end of trim), and, then realized not only had I just wasted a bunch of time trying to take a picture , which I didn't have to start with, but, then, when screening and editing pics, also realized I missed a dead leaf of two by looking at pics (and one part looks like maybe piece of a feather, etc....)

Definately too anal to take pics, but, still might have a couple more coming shortly ....but, was laughing about that and thought I'd give example (of course, those were a small fraction of all I deleted ), and, still not happy with shots .....


Some other notes regarding hang dry's.....
Hang and final result(s) is/are also strain dependant, and tends to have better results the more dense and solid it is actually( loose, fluffy, more sativa's, etc, of course will dry slightly faster, and, seems to be not as a dramatic effect (rein issues still fine, but, doesn't make as much of an impact to me for some reason..) The larger and heavier it is/they are, the more I like the results......seems to come out better (and also maybe because as above, less of an impact when bagging, etc (ie: squeezing them)....

Other random comments would include as addressed elswhere not too long ago, "Famous last words"........
I will probably not be continuing, or at least taking a break after this one because I found myself having a conversation with partners this week which contained the phrase(s) "One last one"......."One last big one"......."Just one more"......

The minute those were said...the minute I heard those being said................nah........

"Famous last words".........

I'm no stranger to addiction...."famous last words"......addictive behavior....addictive things/activities.....etc.........

"Just one more".....

Yeah, right.........

Every single person in the history of the world who has been taken down has most likely had that phrase pass their lips....those thoughts........

Nah. I'm done. No "last one" for me.........

(Was also discussed "that last one" being a large one .....which I would probably would ensure would be the largest yet (not a minor statement )

So, a reminder to people.......when that phrase passes your lips............when that thought crosses your mind ("just one more.....this is the last one.....one more and I'm out"..........)

Don't do it........

Famous last words........

Other notes regarding dry and cure......
What I have always found most interesting, is actually, all in all, the most superior product I think comes from the trim /bubble bags...(note...keep small trim/popcorn and of course mold bags seperate.....don't throw in same bag, or will of course contaminate cleaner trim, so, ideally, keep seperate...) Often these are from things that are hung, throw in hefties...then laid out , open, with a lot of circulation......and tossed often..(once a day....sometimes twice...less as time goes on)....too dry, then closed...moisten up, then open , tossed and aired.......(Past a certain point...little attention paid...might be every couple/several days....)

I expect that 3 months from now the things cut and bagged recently will be some astounding things..(always are....quite a reward later on for whoever goes through them )....so...lot of ways one can handle bulk.......all depends how much, (of course, less one has, the more able one is to give better attention, but, anything over certain amounts, just not practical.......) Lot of people use paper bags, but, of course, when serious volume.....again, not practical.....boxes a little easier....(I like boxes....I try to stick with about 2-3lbs/kilo a box..sometimes up to 5 depending on the box...) Also sometimes I combine old with new if needed/able/practical (ie: maybe something too dry, something newer a little more moist, etc......then work that further...both feed off each other, etc.....) See, the other reason I like boxes also are less work, less mess.....(ie: if done well, if done right......will turn into single piece chunks not yight per se, but, tight enough that if handled gently can simply be turned over and aired if needed and right back in, in a single piece.....(For me it's not so much it's compacted as it is stuck together.....I always do light compress....just enough to work, to stick, to make it nice and simple to work with, but not enough to really crush, smash, flatten, etc......(of course fine print is has to be just right (dry, but not crissp, etc, so, dry enough to compress, and it's won't break anything, but moist enough so that there will be something to draw from for a little while....and, again.....since one pice each box...fairly simple just to open, turn upside down, gently tap/shake (gently) and have single piece come out if they need to be aired......)

Boxes...... same like collecting jars ......hard to find ones "just right"....(I love things the size of shoe boxes, but, little too small for bulk.......the depth of a shoe box but 2 times longer and wider might be perfect more of less........you never want boxes or bags (paper) too thick.......again, a trial and error and a "feel" thing......and, you always want to do it right first time (box, compress lightly) because only really one chance to get it right.....if wrong, can turn out a little loose (ie: so if you go to tip will break apart), or, too much (will be too tight, crush and not enough air, etc....)

Blah,blah,blah...lost my train of thought due to marketing/sales person calling my ****in cell to pitch me on something...(shaking head)...(poor guy.....he really did not deserve such behavior, but, c'monnnnn.......WTF........ya know? He knew was cell and pulled it from an industry directory, and called mid day, so...........)

Anyway....yeah....trimmed just goes straight into boxes (note.....after a couple days drying....so.......not wet.....boxes tossed occasionally switched also (one box to next, etc, until dry enough and ready to press and close them.........)

 

[Julian]

Yeah,pics..... here's another,
and, yet another... (I always end up taking like 50 shots of anything to try and get best pic...one I like....etc....)

Edit: And, btw...is "HomeGrown" (Billy Bob) something I have to see??? (couple people telling me I have to see that flick, so, I finally gave up and sent someone out to pick me up a copy...)

 

[RED145]

Julian
Way to grow bud!!Thats some pretty nugs and an amazing grow!
The movie Homegrown,is not something you "have" to see,you are living the life,hell that movie was probably about you!!It is however an excellent movie and one of my all time best pot movie,only because its about as true and real as it gets.lemme know if you find it to be

 

[Julian]

Julian
Way to grow bud!!Thats some pretty nugs and an amazing grow!

Thanks man.....You like that?......a good pic?.....(I'm never satisfied with any...just some better than others......I thought I'd have a comment on my rolling skills instead (my modesty ends for certain subjects... ....)

The movie Homegrown,is not something you "have" to see,you are living the life,hell that movie was probably about you!!It is however an excellent movie and one of my all time best pot movie,only because its about as true and real as it gets.lemme know if you find it to be

Well, you know...have to see means of course it's about growing, I would like it, and, that everyone who grows should see a flick about growing...(I kinda say the same about "Weeds".....not as good as it could be...not as accurate and real as most would like, myself included, but, ****, as growers....I mean, c'mon...how many series about growing are there? ....

Dialogue was "dude, you have to see this"......and then "no, YOU have to see THIS"....and then the "no dude, YOU HAVE to see THIS , so, we both won... (They have to watch weeds, I have to watch "Homegrown" ......I like all movies, not too critical (this sucks, that sucks, etc)...they're all what they are...a mere point in time, which even directors and actors wish they could do different after it's done........just art....is what it is, so, I like pretty much everything I ever see....just somethings more, somethings less, and then those which "everyone should see once".....

(I watch a lot of flicks because lot of down time during day/working, etc...I don't really watch news...sometimes entire days without a trade...sometimes days nothing to deal with (phone, problems with business's, etc) So, most of the time just ****ing around, watching flicks, playing/recording, this time of year, trimming ...I have cordless's with headsets....so.....can be doing anything, hanging out anywhere doing whatever.........trim, jam, watch flicks, etc......Of course, before anyone says "must be nice".....Yes....it is.....but I only can because I earned it....24/7 basically my entire life, so......started when a kid and still haven't stopped, so......besides, the downside is sometimes I have things to deal with I don't want to for 20hrs a day for months on end, etc, so......I enjoy the downtime and make use of it while I have it, because not always the case........Good and bad......

 

[Julian]

Wrapping up day, stopping in for some additional notes on various things regarding partnerships/deals/volume, etc.......

(See, that's how it starts...don't finish till 5-6...then have to be up shortly and start all again, so, doesn't make sense to sleep, etc, etc..)

So, when talking volume and numbers all sort of reasons fall into line.....

trimming? theft? partnership problems?.......

Well, the truth of the matter is on a really large project, I'd be happy with 20%, but, the truth of the matter also is that you have to deal with all of the above so you want some "padding" in your numbers anyway.........

Trimming? My target, desire, and objective is always only the largest nicest things.....Well, of course, there is a lot to play with after that ...Starts with the nicest stuff....that's all I care about...then goes to smallest stuff, then smaller and bubble and trash....etc...so...the nicest, to the smaller, to bubble......

I used to run the bubble all myself/personally, but, as said before and elsehere I discovered the hidden talents of someone I trained how to do it, so, made a deal to hand all off to them (they get an extremely generous portion for their time and effort, of course ...) Then, the trimming...I start and take the nicest stuff....trying to hit the "I need/guarantee" weight target, then,m all the other stuff and everything else left....so, essentially, can do whatever you like...(I gave out an extremely large amount of small stuf this week and just told them "clip it up, and give me half/50%, rest is yours.....)

You have expenses....you have loss...you have samples....you have what is smoked, you have "breaks" given to people.....you have a couple package deals, etc....so, again....50% (of an op) never is 50% in the end anyway........

Now, if my end was 25%?...well, I'd probably be ending up with like12% in the end due to friviolity (sp? word came to me for some reason)....

Which again all goes back to if one should have much more than they are comfortable with.........you go with the nicest things first...that's the most important...that's where the money is....that's your first priority...........everything else can wait (small stuff, bubble, etc)

(Everything is not all done immediately when talking larger amounts....it's physically impossible unless you have an unlimited crew......(ie: 20+people...multiple machines, etc.......) so, as with anything.....prioritize....time management, etc...and, in the end, hard work.....(Can be daily for months....) Outdoor at any significant level, on any consistent basic, is essentially a yr round (12 months) activity when your talking everything..planning, starting, cloning, planting,maintaining, harvesting, trimming, curing.......then boom, your basically at the start of the next one by the time done trimming and packing and wrapping everything up (bubble, etc)...ie: done...January.....time to start mothers for start of season, etc...)....yr round.....(another reason I like best fem seed.....buys me until maybe April 1-15th to even start.......)otherwise, you never get a break......months after month, 12 months a yr....very tiring.....

Partnerships?........****.......people have to be so difficult and unreasonable and selfish, even when no reason to.......

Sure, I'm a fan of make more than any single person can possibly use.....and, you still see it sometimes........Not even a reason to .......Can't even control or handle what you have to start with....

Of which I would say indicates a very unfavorable picture of someone...(because they have to.........their mind...their nature, etc.....) They don't need to skim anything......but, do anyway..because they feel drawn to,.......)

Again relating to partnership expectations......make your deal the highest you can so then you have room later on for any purpose you wish....(and if there is a problem can be worked out with room to spare ).....

Now........I don't know about anyone else, but, I'm a very happy guy once things really start coming in , because then things can be tossed aside and everything get the cures they truly should have ...(now at a time when everything has a 2-3 week head start before anyone see's it, etc....so....plus better quality for me (a bad thing because already smoking wayyyyy more than I usually do )

 

[DaDank]

Rewind to Essential Reading

Rewind to Essential Reading

It would be hard to say enough thanks for all the information that everyone has contributed here. I will never meet y'all, but I feel really fortunate to have stumbled upon your input, and all that it has taught me. So, no matter where you are, mega thanks from the midwestern United States.

While I have just a glimmer of a grow, I obsess on the issue of security. (covered in a completely separate section, I know...) So, before I forget, I did want to say a special thanks to Julian for one of the most extraordinary reads on that issue.

Posting # 586 - about the fellow outside of San Diego, and why he is now doing time. Julian's posting links us to a local article about this unfortunate casualty in this drug war. In the middle of the article is the subsection, "Related Links" with a the .pdf file, "Application and Affidavit for Search Warrant". Talk about "eye opening". The errors this fellow made are well documented by those who were following him. But to actually read how the enemy in this war goes about his business, and the resources he can marshall to make our lives miserable, is just incredible. If it is important to know your enemy's strengths, then this piece is priceless. If you have not taken the time to read this, PLEASE do so!

Just my - belated - two cents.
Peace. And happy harvesting!

 

[DaDank]

Just Joined the "Ripped" club...

Just Joined the "Ripped" club...

I spoke too soon.
I mentioned in my last - off subject -entry (did I scare everyone off?!) that I had a "glimmer of a grow". No longer. My idea of "hiding it in plain view"- was a bit too plain I guess. RIP!! I'm bit pissed off, but am over it already. My own fault, and it is an error I will not repeat. Could have been worse. I could have come looking for my plant and found Sgt. Nightinjail. THAT would have been a drag. So, chaulk one up to "What was I thinking??" and move on. Hope y'all are havng better luck.
I'm gonna miss that smoke, though.

 

[Pimpslapped]

I spoke too soon.
I mentioned in my last - off subject -entry (did I scare everyone off?!) that I had a "glimmer of a grow". No longer. My idea of "hiding it in plain view"- was a bit too plain I guess. RIP!! I'm bit pissed off, but am over it already. My own fault, and it is an error I will not repeat. Could have been worse. I could have come looking for my plant and found Sgt. Nightinjail. THAT would have been a drag. So, chaulk one up to "What was I thinking??" and move on. Hope y'all are havng better luck.
I'm gonna miss that smoke, though.

That's why redundancy is the key. Some of your spots, no matter how well chosen can and will be ripped, found, die off, whatever... especially with the urban stuff from what I've heard. Yep, always good to have it just be a simple rip and not a long term legal issue... those are to be avoided at all costs.

And I have to agree with you on the article mentioned in the previous post. Very informative read on that one, shows the importance of doing your shit right from the start.

 

[Julian]

Speaking of.........

So, I have just been biding my time, and, thought about right time now to hit a couple spots, including my biggest that I had problems with (up to 700......)

Well, this, in general, is what the look and finish like, and, speaking of the above....(loss)......I was fairly concerned to see the largest spot was completely ****in wiped out.......

(Concerned because we are talking maybe.....I dunno....2 miles?......not sure distance but, to walk from start to end is about 30 minutes of walking, so.......if anyone knows sport stats as to what kind of distance 30 minutes of walking is.......)

Every single ****in one gone.........entire stretch totally and completely chopped down and not even a single stray weed remaining...........since that initially happened I have pretty much had that area under surveillance (missed a weekend here and there and a couple weekdays).....but, very disapointed I missed this because there must have been quite a crew hitting that stretch.....(30 minutes walking, cutting, mowing, pulling...etc......)

(VERY concerned didn't hit the news...........especially considering the numbers...(between 500-700)....................VERY concerned......ie: investigation, area for evidence, cigarette butts, bags, any bottles, etc..........VERY concerned.........never heard a peep about it.....)

Loss.....is what it is.....I'm more pissed of than anything (ie: they STOLE my ****in shit...cost me money.......I don't give a **** who it was....fed, local, etc......)

So, is what it is, and, another reason goes back to basics.....don't want to tend...ideally just all fems, get in wherever, leave em, keep an eye and come back, etc..........

Om a different note (was lecturing a lot this week)....now is the time quite a few are basically going to see some cash, so.....as mentioned earlier, and elsewhere, and, worth being repeated again is do the right thing........(with money)......Lucky to have it.....don't be wasteful.......any and everyone has better things to do with it than most do.....so.........pay down credit....high interest stuff...mortgage prepayments...investments....etc......

(Reason I brought that up was sat down with a couple guys this week before they started spending their money .....turns out I shot down all their plans .......and that's that......everyone I work with....everyone who works for me......all get the lectures fairly often.........anyone around me I expect to do the right things....the smart thing with all funds........it's kind of like the old question if "something is done"........(ie: add a week if unsure)

If unsure what to do with money?.......Don't do anything

Average person should be focusing on debt first, then moving onto reserves, then after reserves investments........(ie: pay off as much as possible......then develop a secure stash, then after sufficient secure stash, start thinking about other things.......) Of course, that could be altered endless ways depending on what ones situation is (less debt, own property, etc)....

Point being as above and elsewhere......limited income, can end any time, amounts limited to a degree.....doing right thing can change future...wrong thing can leave you even worse off than today (spending on things which are actually liabilities, etc......ie: developing a lifestyle which adds to monthly expenses long term instead of reducing expenses and increasing income, etc....)

And, please people.......Do not keep cash at home...(or safety deposit boxes, etc).......(unless you package right and drywall over it, etc....which is actually easier, cheaper, and quicker than it sounds.....)

Anyway......wrapping it up soon........hope everyone as safe as possible........and success to all.......

 

[pakalolo420]

I've had good luck burying cash in heat sealed bags in ammo boxes outdoors over the span of years. I dug one up a few years back that had been buried in wilderness for years and was disappointed to realize that the money LOOKED old, they'd changed the design while the money was stashed So it was a little conspicuous. I wish they wouldn't keep changing the look of money, ten year old money shouldn't be conspicuous!

Sorry to hear about your plants J, know how it feels. "Hopefully" it was rippers (sounds strange to say, but it's true)

Take care.

 

[Julian]

Hey man....hope all is well with you and yours...hope season treating you well/treated you well (know it was last time )

I've had good luck burying cash in heat sealed bags in ammo boxes outdoors over the span of years. I dug one up a few years back that had been buried in wilderness for years and was disappointed to realize that the money LOOKED old, they'd changed the design while the money was stashed So it was a little conspicuous. I wish they wouldn't keep changing the look of money, ten year old money shouldn't be conspicuous!

Yeah, the burying of cash makes me nervous.....really nervous....(environmental issues)....(regarding extremely hot/wet/cold/humid climates.....I'd be more into it if in the desert, but, my neck of woods....eh....just makes me nervous...would rather do 100 other things with it first...(from using for business's, properties, tangibles assets to in walls of buildings and houses and such.....

I was just telling someone...my rule of thumb with money is I do, and always tell people flip through and keep 100's..(sometimes 50's), and, everything else goes somewhere else.....(20's, even 50's are pretty bulky...) (depending on the amount, anywhere you can

Sorry to hear about your plants J, know how it feels. "Hopefully" it was rippers (sounds strange to say, but it's true)

Take care.

Nah man ....nah.....you know about earlier incident.......area completely cleaned (when I say "cleaned"...I'm not talking plants brother...I'm talking all trees, bushes, even rocks.....(remember those topsoil rocky pics?.....almost looks like they took a bobcat or something some places....soil completely clean and no rocks....for....as above...about 30 minute walk of stretch.......so.....1.5 mile....2 miles? (even more, who knows....)...etc, an entire side (side I had planted....)

Well.....got 5yrs out of that spot....which is far, far , far longer than I usually would, or would even recommend, so.......as above.....all things come to an end......inevitable....knew that when I started using it..


Edit: Honestly? In some ways a relief......no longer a question as to the outcome......lost one, am safe, know it's done......

Could be worse..........cest la vie

 

[Guest]

Sucks dude, sounds like A LOT of effort, cleaned out....****ed up....

The need to have multiple spots is evident for sure....multiple as in at least 5/6 if you wanna have a hump of buds...700? damn....minis right? I'm wondering how much $$$$ in dirt you had there....time no doubt too...

Hope everything else, for everyone else, rolls as smoothly as can be...

I'm looking at some inflatable boats now, considering will need irrigation...plenty of creeks in 150mi radius, but hopefully that will get me to some good spots...should make moving dirt a little interesting too...just really turned fall here, first cold mornings and windy, drier days, perfect fishing...take the boy....this part (spotting) should be the easiest just about....nothing like walking into unknown territory,

Seriously....its something comparable to driving a 454 with a 4 speed, something wild and lawless...the car is a primitive outlet, as is paddling 5 miles of river....

Again...hoping everyone pulls in a happy harvest

 

[rhizome]

Edit: Honestly? In some ways a relief......no longer a question as to the outcome......lost one, am safe, know it's done......

Could be worse..........cest la vie

Oh yeah...

same ( if smaller) scenario on this end...

Whatever- got what I wanted, had some fun, stayed free another year- I'm calling it a winner.

Feels damned good to be clear.