MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

You know J you could probably turn the whole world seed market upside down with maybe 1,000 carefully chosen parent plants outdoors.

I know, I know

Actually, I was thinking, "Hey, if I have a couple nice things outside and I let them cross, does that make me a breeder?" (and accordingly, an attitude to go with it? )

1,000????

How about 700?

(Those 700 are Chemo's (UBC,Lemon's), AK x's, Sour Bubble, Blockhead, Sour Diesel, and some BB x NL, and a couple various cross's...(Sour Bubble x's, Boggle x's, Chemo x's,.......I'm sure the kids would be halfway decent, yes?...)

(That plot might ending up being a seed plot.....almost positive not going back to that one.......at least until Nov to see if they are still there....)

Edit: I know, I know.....I was teasing..(you said carefully chosen parents...... I was making a breeder joke )

 

[Julian]

Heavy sigh........

Well, I was checking on that above plot today.....12-14 days now about since I think had a breech, and, all surrounding vegetation stripped clean......(Didn't see plants.....didn't get that close...only saw all vegetation between tracks and street had been all cut down......think sometimes today...(I have been watching it almost daily for last 2 weeks......)

Of course, no surprise.....have used that one for several years, which basically ties into topics from other thread about knowing when you have gone to far and too long with a spot, and, knowing when to cut a great spot loose.......and, I think a fairly good illustration that if one suspects a problem.....Just cut it loose and move on....(as above, had started thinking maybe try and get in their quick November to cut for seed.....and, frankly, very well may now.........(I had those spread over a mile, possibly more, and, a lot of them were fresh from one of last rounds, so, couldn't have been more than a couple inches high in some places....Assuming they have been keeping an eye on spot (I have some indicators which lead me to believe that.....), and, maybe finally decided I wasn't coming back to it.......(Even when circling spot to try and see how much had been cut, within 5-10 minutes, saw 4 unmarked's go past......)

So...Cest le vie.......going to try once more today at just right angle before sundown with zoom lens so I can make sure they are gone (last year, same spots, I had crews working on 2 occasions that didn't see them, but, this was completely shaved down........pure view straight through to other side of street...nothing big left.....so...just assuming, and, frankly, since so open now...if plants still there from what I can see....will not be going back....

I have some of my surveillance pics I might upload to other handle for a couple to check ......(Bout 2 blocks away at right angle with a zoom......had em sitting 50' spots last week.....was waiting until I was sure, but, now, all shaved down.....)

Multiple spots.....spread out.....lose one...it happens.... .....

 

[pakalolo420]

If you spread out your spots as you should it's very likely one or two will be found. It's also very likely you will still do very well in spite.

I once had a big spot found once. I knew right away, it was on the front page of the local small town newspaper the next day!

 

[Julian]

Well, they were single file worked in, some double rows also (city pics from earlier, so.....I mean, that was what?....2-3 weeks ago and many we're 1-2-3 ft several weeks ago.........so....patch that I saw that got cut was a double row....just have to walk a little to keep finding more....) You'll see what I mean when you see the pics ...They would have to had to walk right in the middle of them to cut everything down around it....

They got em.......I've been keeping an eye on news......looks like was all cut down today, so...Was by there yesterday and all vegetation was still there....(They didn't get all ....later rounds still probably pretty small and hard to see unless they were walking the entire length

Guess we'll see in November (Stock should be halfway decent, and, could make good use of it , but, the ps patch is definitely gone because they were getting pretty large.....lot of em were 1 x 1, 2 x 2 little bushes.(2-3 weeks ago )...wasn't designed for close walking inspection....designed for faster moving past it.....)

Nah, can't risk that.......entry and exit points cleared....plots opened up, no more vegetation, no more cover......Nah.....will do a 2-3am run Nov 1st....10 weeks from now......give it some time to grow back...everything cool off.....ya know? Hopefully some extremely heavy rains, some good train winds and might even end up with a little bud with my seed (Oct 20th maybe? )

On a different note, going back to earlier conversation about streetlights, car headlights......Someone forgot moon....well, I forgot about the trains.....(ie: extremely close, very bright lights passing every night, every season for years......never had a problem over there....)

 

[phrank]

sorry man...

sorry man...

Julian-

Dude, sorry to hear about your misfortune! Had a bit of bad luck myself this week - seemed as though a male was missed, and now I have my very own seed bank! All kinds of Early Girl and Early Queen crosses... Was real down for an hour or so, and then decided to go look for some spots for next year!

peace,

phrank

 

[Julian]

Julian-
Dude, sorry to hear about your misfortune!

Thanks man, but....eh, is what it is....things happen.......bright side is some stock and could have been worse ...Lot of other stuf....most annoyed lost my ps ...

Had a bit of bad luck myself this week - seemed as though a male was missed, and now I have my very own seed bank! All kinds of Early Girl and Early Queen crosses... Was real down for an hour or so, and then decided to go look for some spots for next year!

Well, same deal.....could be worse......Did you have more than that spot?....other spots?....and, how big is spot? (Depending on any number of 100 variables.....doesn't automatically mean everything hit and hit bad....and, of course, will have some stock on hand, so........)

(I buy most stock, so....eh,....might have lost but in long run, something to use in future )

 

[Julian]

Some other notes appropriate.....

Aside from me possibly being seen around that plot....There is absolutely nothing to indicate that those were planted there....could even been wild.....no pots, no irrigation, no holes (minimal to plant)......native soil.....nothing on site.....absolutely no indicator....

(That's been a topic of the "bright side", but, I think something led to it....so...that's neither here nor there, but, at first glance.....really impossible to tell were planted and tended to (as, they weren't for the most part....and, totally wild area vegetation wise....) See earlier pics....planted in rocks basically ....) Why I have always said I am against irrigation and such things....lays a much less flattering picture....

(I think they know through one of several means, but, all valid....can't go wrong with no maintenance, limited visits and tending......can't go wrong.......)

 

[DaDank]

Teddy Roosevelt

Teddy Roosevelt

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are"
Teddy Roosevelt

Wanna thank all those who have made this thread a really informative resource. Entry #484 especially will be saved and re-read every time that I come across the many nay-sayers.

I dream of a "massive commercial grow". While caring for the first (3) plants that I have ever grown . I have a long way ("15 years"?)to go, but am looking forward to the trip. For now I have a few questions.

At about 14" each, I do not know what hope my (3)studly, Unsexed Crystal plants would have as candidates for the late summer quick grow that Julian has recommended. I think my best bet is to spend the fall and winter creating a group of gals who'll give me clones come spring. At the same time , I want to use the fall to prep sites. Create holes for future cultivation.

Julian ? You mentioned prepping holes with a "dry mix". What does this mix consist of? Could I use it in the fall as prep for spring?
As for the motorized auger for drilling holes...Looks like a lot of fun. No doubt that it is "worth its weight in gold" for efficiency. While the sound may not be an issue, being seen with one of those babys would raise some eyebrows in the city where I am looking at some urban plots. I can just see myself awash in blue and red lights when LEO pulls over to ask where the *****I think I'm going with that thing.
I think that I'm going to start with a simple post hole digger. "Training wheels" if you will.
Any input on prepping for stealth outdoor grows in the next year would be appreciated.

 

[Julian]

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are"
Teddy Roosevelt

Really???? I swear I had no idea...I just always say it

(Teddy wore a Rolex president also!!! )

Wanna thank all those who have made this thread a really informative resource. Entry #484 especially will be saved and re-read every time that I come across the many nay-sayers.

Not sure which one, but, glad of value and interest.....

Beware of the naysayers!!! (Always listen to everything people have to say.....just have ability to see it for what it is, depending on the source...)

I dream of a "massive commercial grow".

Careful what you wish for.......................
[/quote]
While caring for the first (3) plants that I have ever grown . I have a long way ("15 years"?)to go, but am looking forward to the trip. For now I have a few questions.
[/quote]Growing long term if you "take" to it......3?, well, everyone starts somewhere.....is what it is......

At about 14" each, I do not know what hope my (3)studly, Unsexed Crystal plants would have as candidates for the late summer quick grow that Julian has recommended. I think my best bet is to spend the fall and winter creating a group of gals who'll give me clones come spring. At the same time , I want to use the fall to prep sites. Create holes for future cultivation.

forgive short answers.....an insomnia night, and, getting early for me, so, clock ticking now into morning..gotta set up for day....

1.You have 2 batches or more before start of next season.....(6 months, etc...)
2.Actually, they might do well outside....now is around my cut off but someone earlier said they have gone to late August....(27th I believe they said?) I never have gone later than about now/couple days ago....
3.Many would say check your potential spots now, so, you see end of season vegetation and exposure.....something to keep in mind (I don't, but, sounds wise.....)
4.Problems many have with fall holes is finding them spring , so, that in mind, proceed accordingly

(note: One of reasons I do not is I might see or think or something to add or eliminate a spot, so......should always see spots couple times before using.....not a bad idea.....

Julian ? You mentioned prepping holes with a "dry mix". What does this mix consist of? Could I use it in the fall as prep for spring?

Well, it's above and a pretty extensive mix as I just pick things as I go along, and, when I run short, I go to whatever is at hand. I only do in spring though when drilled and later when planted, so.....I think might just complicate, so, might want to use more or a general mix........might be easier.....(remember, soil, most, not neutral to start with, so, even with no nutes I have had things come in....but, healthier the plant, the better across the board (yield, resistance, etc....) Some, as said, just use osmocote,(sp?), etc, or MG.....I would say don't complicate it.....

I basically just , for earlier, drill, mix dry, plant, and, for later, dig, mix, plant, and, a top feed on all (worked in top, around base, also side feeds, I think mentioned above also, so plant can draw as they need it...ie: instead of all around, on one side of top/base.......

As for the motorized auger for drilling holes...Looks like a lot of fun. No doubt that it is "worth its weight in gold" for efficiency. While the sound may not be an issue, being seen with one of those babys would raise some eyebrows in the city where I am looking at some urban plots.

Yeah, city, I can't imagine it being possible, at all.......in the least.....I would think a firm impossibility, and, might not want to anyway (stealth, etc....) If talking city, you want to be VERY careful, and, definitely leaving and no maintenance....(I think one lost above I would NOT have if I would have stayed true no maintenance...so, case in point.....previous years...I planted all fems, came back Oct 15+/-, period, and, kept an eye on it from distance all season....(well, season being the time from planting to harvest, as, I don't do them that early anyway...)

I can just see myself awash in blue and red lights when LEO pulls over to ask where the *****I think I'm going with that thing.
I think that I'm going to start with a simple post hole digger. "Training wheels" if you will.
Any input on prepping for stealth outdoor grows in the next year would be appreciated.

All in thread man......lot of city commentary earlier also.....key with city is keep[ing an eye on it......(from a distance, etc)....ANYTHING, you cut it loose......(right before I ran into problems with my biggest I was thinking about doing some lines in certain places to see if they were broken, etc, as a way of checking any traffic for entry points, etc....didn't even have to.....in that case......could see from street was all cut down...(vegetation...)

Pics are down now under that handle btw, so, hope everyone (who I wanted to )got a chance to see them (my surveillance pics ......me watching them watching the spots )

 

[InjectTruth]

Shucks, I didnt find the easter egg in time

Would have been nice to see if from the other angle, lol.

 

[phrank]

The accidental impregnation...

The accidental impregnation...

J-

Probably pollinated about two dozen 4' beauties, but I don't think that they will be totally seeded. Worse case scenario is to have to remove seeds, and make bubble with the rest. Still something! All beans were bought, so the crosses will probably be decent enough for back-up, or will give 'em out to friends who dabble. Was a little down yesterday, but went hiking today, and found two nice spots that will hold about 40 big specimens.

still smiling,

phrank

 

[Julian]

J-
Probably pollinated about two dozen 4' beauties, but I don't think that they will be totally seeded.

Yeah, especially if they are spread out....me and PK were talking about that....1-2, spread out, outdoors would not completely and totally seed 25+/-....(you have rains, you have wind currents, etc, etc.....)

Worse case scenario is to have to remove seeds, and make bubble with the rest. Still something!

That's pretty much what I do/would do in such cases......(I've had random here and there in country plots, but, due to uncertainty or origin of pollen...into bubble piles it goes.....and, of course, fairly nice yield as compared to strictly trim....

All beans were bought, so the crosses will probably be decent enough for back-up, or will give 'em out to friends who dabble. Was a little down yesterday, but went hiking today, and found two nice spots that will hold about 40 big specimens.

That's not all you had going was it? (yet another reason to do multiple plots....spread em out....) Eh, all in all not bad......will get some stock....will get some yield...will get some bubble, and, have some new spots....so.....

Could be worse...

(Growing long term...sometimes a good year, sometimes a bad year.....just how it works, and, my whole preoccupation with numbers is that way, even the worst of years I still hit targets...)

 

[Guest]

Pics are down now under that handle btw, so, hope everyone (who I wanted to )got a chance to see them (my surveillance pics ......me watching them watching the spots )

enjoyed seeing the jedi pics of the sandpeople lime

 

[Julian]

Hey my friend!!! Did you catch em all? (like, 5 or 7 with notes?)

 

[Dignan]

This thread is MASSIVE, Julian.

 

[Julian]

Eh, never a specific intention.....just seems to have a momentum of it's own ....Just adding what and when seems appropriate and of note....

On that note.....another city spot had some PP's that is safe, and, was checking last night thread to see when I saw them last (Aug 1st I had seem them...so, before Aug 1,) So..(3 foot colas, later planted), so, trying to determine when I should make the rounds to go grab them and will try and get some pics of those for illustration....wondering is this week, or, if I should put it off until next week.....not too far from the one that I dropped.....but, pretty sure still safe and will not go into details why....but, those should be fine ..(mixed plot also..PP's looked well underway, other stuff should be October......)

Also considering a "break" after this one......maybe yes, maybe no, maybe long, maybe short........(or course, regarding such....really, you don't schedule, you just put it on the back burner....enjoy life a little, and, eventually, it makes it's way back to you (As far as when to start....)

Maybe will just take a break and put my plans for other things that I haven't done next (extremely large mini runs......had one planned for this year....fell through, timelines got messed up, so......still in the works.....haven't done in huge mini op in a couple years....might also add some AF and do 3 huge runs next time.....start May full force, then July then August then pack it all up and close shop again....(not one of my best years across the board....shit from every angle non stop, so.....another angle when running large is you can, indeed, take breaks......not a problem, but, then the problem is, as I am sure all true growers know .....hard to watch a season pass by and not take advantage of it So ****in hard Everywhere you go...nice weather......vegetation growing nice ......Had to pass on a season......

 

[PHB]

Also considering a "break" after this one......

:wink: isn't that what you were planning before you started this thread?

 

[Julian]

Eh, I've been..........Kinda like quitting smoking (With a carton in car, and carton in desk drawer, for when I decide I will start again )

 

[J-Roc]

JULIAN!
YOU CHANGED UR AVATAR!
WTF NAWM SANE!
MY WOOD IS GONE!
WEAK SAUCE!

 

[Julian]

I'm working on a bikini beach shoot though, so....should have those pics soon