MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Guest]

thx for letting me vent & yes now very thank full it was not leo

so i will lose the luxury of tending my plants near by and in comfort ... all is not lost because i still have a good population of an early strain ready to be put in the ground gurella style in different areas ... so you can see i m more suited for this thread ...

a quandry is what to do with the valuable large potted plants ... this is a strain that wont finish unless they end up indoor , or sheltered somehow for the finish ... this will be a big loss

 

[Julian]

thx for letting me vent & yes now very thank full it was not leo

all is not lost because i still have a good population of an early strain ready to be put in the ground gurella style in different areas ... so you can see i m more suited for this thread ...

a quandry is what to do with the valuable large potted plants ... this is a strain that wont finish unless they end up indoor , or sheltered somehow for the finish ... this will be a big loss

I forgot you had later rounds, right?.........Good. Hope you can finish up others....(shaded?.....maybe go grab something to set em back up if another spot....)

 

[GorillaGrower]

ny has had good even year.. but just a few hrs south and its all different. no rain. everyones yards look like AZ desert. Those rainfalls never picked up into anything.. weve had thunderstorm warnings for 14 days straight.. but probably 1/4 -1/2 " of rain.

I was up there last week it was amazing how different it was. Everythings lush! I think I'm gonna bust out a liitle rain dance.. or jig tonight!!

Even with a total drought.. only lost a single one.. and its a known poor rooter.. so no biggie. Thank you water crystals.

hopefully we'll get some rain down here now.. and it wont rain up there in the fall

 

[3BM]

Hey J, Im wondering about a few things ... I get a business account, now what? Whats the aim of this account? I deposit into this account and make sure to pay quarterly estimates on the total of these deposits. Why not just make these deposits in a checking account, whats the benefit of the account relating to my business? Professionalism, not raising questions about cash deposits, tying it into a tax return so that I can qualify for a mortgage later on? Basically, just exploring the process here. Digging a little deeper into the wealth of knowledge you provide for us. As always thanks and much Keep it coming!

 

[Julian]

I think I'm gonna bust out a liitle rain dance.. or jig tonight!!

I'll take care of it.....

Thank you water crystals.

I'm indebted myself......

Quite...

(They beyond rock......)

hopefully we'll get some rain down here now.. and it wont rain up there in the fall

Well, you know, short stretch of bad weather can change an entire season, so....that's my position./..hope it ends well ...(prepared for it not to....but, guess we'll all see)...

Hope all goes well also with friends out West.....

 

[Julian]

I deposit into this account and make sure to pay quarterly estimates on the total of these deposits.

Why not just make these deposits in a checking account, whats the benefit of the account relating to my business?

Professionalism, not raising questions about cash deposits, tying it into a tax return so that I can qualify for a mortgage later on?

Sounds like you got it to me...

One should always try and incorporate it into their life, profession, interests, etc...(ie: a software engineer would not want to say he was doing contracting...etc...could even be something he could build on later.......)

Always want something you can build on..........moving forward........something with potential use and growth, etc...(Can be applied to anything...even a bar can be built on (numbers worked, redone, built numbers and sold for more money...)

The upside/back end.....

I also wouldn't say such things (as said before....) can be done indefinitely....it's merely one step in a large process of building ones position...

(Could be done indefinitely.....but....would increase ones exposure.....(ie: target is to get everything in line and minimize exposure asap......)

Example: Raise funds for larger legit business that some extra money could be used to build...

Same as above except with properties...even your own house (work numbers to get there and "extra" money for improvements.....)

Channel extra into expenses so you can use other to make up differences in numbers..(ie: might see a building, but, doesn't quite cover itself, comes a little short, couple hundred a month so pick up difference, redo units as you go along and raise rents to cover differences, etc...)

So......the flipping thing?.....well, the only reason I don't recommend it to everyone is because most expectations are too high....people not analytical enough...not detail oriented enough....

I would say if someone wanted to, spend a day or two watching a marathon of the flip shows (But, even then, they don't show the ones that have problems, come short, blow budgets, reduce prices, etc, etc....)

Lot of areas one can blow it.....

Example: Someone finishes job, over budget, carried too long, gets offer for 30k less, reject offer, and, sit another 5 months......

You wrap it up...period......you think you will make 60...comes out to 35?....well, last time I checked....35 for a month was not too shabby ......(I'd take the 35 so could get out and do another, etc,...every day lost is another day not starting another....)
.
Also, lot of people get wrapped up in the process, "on a roll", and, jump from one to the next and then in the meantime...maybe not give it enough thought.......

From the trading standpoint, it would apply to Japanese saying:
"You buy, you sell, you rest...."

When you enter the realm of making money in such ways....your now basically creating it with your mind....

From the mind comes ideas, approaches, views, opinions,.....the entire project....

(I can support all of the above because I work perpetually burned fuckin out........One should try and eliminate all possible pressures through one way or another...(I do, and have, helps some.....) Any and every emotion clouds one reason and judgment.....the more they compound, the more they do......

 

[ninfan77]

Julian,

For someone with a 600-620 credit score, a large sum of debt (8k CC, 30k college), and no "verified" work history in the past couple years, and a checkered credit history, late payments, catch up, late payments, catch up etc...

How would such a person go about securing a mortgage, is it even possible? Say in the 100k range? (small house, foundation etc)

How "shady" does it look to want to buy 40 acres of land with stats like that, but offer a large down payment, say 50% of the 50k asking price?


And on the note of "people who dont have it", I've recently ran across this EXACT problem with a partner of mine. Totally ruined things. Many months ago, all engines ahead to do a small outdoor 75-100, as it crept closer to march and time to start prepping holes etc he started wimping out. By May it was "all too risky" for him, and he wanted out.

Fast forward to July, and I find out that he's visited a plot on his own (one we had started prep on) and now wants back in....Thankfully he only knows location of 10 plants, and not the others but still. He's all talk about wanting to grow this, and cross breed that, mind you he also believes that seeds in bud mean its a male... And this is someone i've known for many years, has been "in the game" for a while now, albeit not very successfully (probably should have clued me into his nature from this alone, ahhh hindsight !!! )

Aside from the credit jargon above, I was intrigued by your comments regarding eradication aircraft.

Do you know anywhere one can view the footage, or some approximation of it? Is there any way to tell if a heli or aircraft seen above is spotting for plants? I'd assume they fly very low?

Within a tree line, are groups of 3-5 plants within danger of being seen with fancy technology stuff?

 

[Julian]

For someone with a 600-620 credit score, a large sum of debt (8k CC, 30k college), and no "verified" work history in the past couple years, and a checkered credit history, late payments, catch up, late payments, catch up etc...

1.Why college and no work history? Get to work man.....
2.As mentioned, employment verification not an issue if credit good enough (no docs, etc...)
3. 8k not bad. Student loans I wouldn't mess with depending what they are...(I believe if Federal, and you default, judgments, avoidance, can lead to doing time.....I've seen things like this...etc...(maybe was warrant issues when someone blew off suit dates....)
4.More time goes by, less of an issue things become.....(only 8k...if still active....)

There's always a starting point when cleaning up a mess ....Just have to figure out what is best....(ie: keep current on student loans.....try and do something with cards, etc......in some cases, BK does make sense......within 2-3 years your okay again....4 years after BK, your essentially a "conventional" borrower again....

What you can do depends on time/age of all those, current status, etc.....(you say below 25k on hand.....so......might want to at least wipe the cc's off......)

(I don't have cc's....I have a couple always around to keep credit fine, but, really never use them, and, not even sure where they are

How would such a person go about securing a mortgage, is it even possible? Say in the 100k range? (small house, foundation etc)

Depends on all of the above.....With a fair down?....might be able to today...(even with those scores...)

(ie: One can even get a mortgage one day out of a BK if big enough down, and, will be hit by rate also....)

Sounds though like that stuff above should be addressed (in general, deciding what and how to do) before jumping into something...

(ie: If your having problems keeping up on that stuff, might want to think twice before mortgage.....cc's one thing...mortgage and being bound another.....)

(I laugh when I hear people talk about marriage as a "commitment"....try a mortgage ....In one way, no big thing...in another, you don't want to fuck up a mortgage (credit wise...probably the most significant damage one can do to credit...)

How "shady" does it look to want to buy 40 acres of land with stats like that, but offer a large down payment, say 50% of the 50k asking price?

Depends...lot of issues.....

Most of the time lenders want any funds "seasoned" (several months in bank, 90 days, etc....) All depends on the overview......They'd probably think and address all things I did above....

I say get everything in line and under control first.....(hence on and off payments above......)

And on the note of "people who dont have it", I've recently ran across this EXACT problem with a partner of mine. Totally ruined things. Many months ago, all engines ahead to do a small outdoor 75-100, as it crept closer to march and time to start prepping holes etc he started wimping out. By May it was "all too risky" for him, and he wanted out.

Sounds about right seen it 100 times

Fast forward to July, and I find out that he's visited a plot on his own (one we had started prep on) and now wants back in....Thankfully he only knows location of 10 plants, and not the others but still. He's all talk about wanting to grow this, and cross breed that, mind you he also believes that seeds in bud mean its a male... And this is someone i've known for many years, has been "in the game" for a while now, albeit not very successfully (probably should have clued me into his nature from this alone, ahhh hindsight !!! )

Of course...when it comes to "putting in the work", they "aren't sure......I....ummm......uhhh"...

When everything started and money on the way..., sure, then they want in (sounds like the onset of symptoms for "me" syndrome" ......)

Aside from the credit jargon above, I was intrigued by your comments regarding eradication aircraft.

Do you know anywhere one can view the footage, or some approximation of it? Is there any way to tell if a heli or aircraft seen above is spotting for plants? I'd assume they fly very low?

Within a tree line, are groups of 3-5 plants within danger of being seen with fancy technology stuff?

Larger topic.......

Planes limited by FAA to 500 ft., heli's not...(obviously....)

2.Some I believe utilize following the "grid" on some schedule....(ie: systematically searching specific areas, moving to next, etc..), some have decided and say it's been established not effective and only come in when a tip/to confirm a tip, or assist....

3.Footage and pics...keep an eye out...you'll see them every now and then and also try a couple searches with related search words....(eradication+photos, etc, etc)...I've seen a lot so, they're floating around....The larger projects,planted in regular patterns and larger in forest are amusingly obvious...."Look" for them? They could be having a drink, getting a blowjob and they'd still see it (You really can't miss em.....)

If they are looking for ops flying a grid?...chances are smaller escape completely....if called in for a closer look?....well, sure they would get them if good intel/info, etc....

Depends also how you do them, how large, etc (12 footers are never wise, for many reasons anyway...(tipping, weight issues, etc....)

Imo...best way to deal with aircraft is not to ......

 

[bamboozled]

greatest thread on IC, I wanna grow up to be just like you

 

[Julian]

Burned out, some money and obnoxious?



Very kind of you to say.....Just glad it's of use.....try to offer what I can..

Still a lot to add....just haven't been around/in the mood...little busy and crabby....

 

[BakedBeans]

Acrylamide

Acrylamide

Let's talk about water crystals.

I really think they are a marvelous invention, and I'm sure have many wonderful uses, but I'm very skeptical when they say "Decomposes safely into soil".

The main ingredient in Water Crystals is acrylamide. Here is a link to the MSDS: http://www.watercrystals.com/Resources/WC_MSDS.pdf. There is really a lack of data on this material, but it does appear to reliably produce cancer in the laboratory. Of special note is that it is pervasive in our diet already, and researchers believe this is partially responsible for at least some of Western societies culturally-influenced health problems. It is created during a chemical process while frying or baking food. Go look at the wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide.


So, you dig a nice sized hole in the ground, or 3000 holes in the ground each year, dumping a few tablespoons of this stuff in the ground. It's just a little bit that goes into the ground, but let's say 20 people get inspired from your threads here. That's a lot more Acrylic Acid being put into the ground. Do you use organic or safely-decomposing fertilizer? That is groundwater that is being affected.


I'm assuming you just chop and then move on. Have you ever thought about planting a tree after you chop? A few thousand saplings isn't illegal. Obviously, that wouldn't work along a track, but maybe Comfrey or something else useful?


Just food for thought, because you know, even if 20 people get inspired from you, what about those people they inspire later? Taking care of this place has to start somewhere. If you are able to make money like magic, why not give a little back to the thing giving you so much.


I don't mean to get on a soap box, you may already plant trees with your irrigation or landscaping companies. I'll just assume that you already pay something forward.

Nice posts M... Keep up the good work.


bb

 

[ourcee]

I just picked up some water crystals actually

*tips hat to Julian*


http://water-keep.com/products/why-buy.php

theres the link

heres the one line you might like

"With an essentially neutral pH, Water-Keep super absorbent polymers will break down into ammonia, carbon dioxide and water with no residual toxicity."


oh and Julian, I was out with a friend today enjoying the beautiful weather at the beach. They are a casual smoker, always been the hippie type, even mentioned wanting to grow their own in the past (they are younger then myself), very "earthy" person.
so today the conversation comes to smoking and toking, apparently their family went to Alaska and she, hah, thats gotta be the best part, SHE, met a guy who had a lil secluded garden up there.

Long story short, she mentions it all to me, about how she wants to find out how to toss a few out in an old grove near her place. (She has no knowledge that I even know how to grow, which makes this slightly comical to me).

Looks like I'll "talk to a few people" and get her a clone or two to throw outside and see how she does, it really is as easy as lettin em 'grab' and usin those crystals smartly

plus its another location to use in the future if this whole outdoor thing takes off like I basically know it will



hope all is well in your neck of the woods

 

[BakedBeans]

Breakdown into ammonia, carbon MONOxide and hydrogen. I still don't think it belongs in thousands (millions?) of holes in the ground every year.


http://www.inchem.org/documents/hsg/hsg/hsg045.htm

 

[ourcee]

different crystals made of different materials, the ones I linked to are potassium based and it says DIOXIDE multiples times. but. besides the point of some crystals in the ground, I'd be more worried about the INSANE amounts of chemicals and biological waste being pumped out to sea and whatnot.

I'll take crystals over a multi million gallon sewage or whatnot spill ANY day

 

[Julian]

Let's talk about water crystals.

I really think they are a marvelous invention, and I'm sure have many wonderful uses, but I'm very skeptical when they say "Decomposes safely into soil".

The main ingredient in Water Crystals is acrylamide. Here is a link to the MSDS: http://www.watercrystals.com/Resources/WC_MSDS.pdf. There is really a lack of data on this material, but it does appear to reliably produce cancer in the laboratory. Of special note is that it is pervasive in our diet already, and researchers believe this is partially responsible for at least some of Western societies culturally-influenced health problems. It is created during a chemical process while frying or baking food. Go look at the wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide.

So, you dig a nice sized hole in the ground, or 3000 holes in the ground each year, dumping a few tablespoons of this stuff in the ground. It's just a little bit that goes into the ground, but let's say 20 people get inspired from your threads here. That's a lot more Acrylic Acid being put into the ground. Do you use organic or safely-decomposing fertilizer? That is groundwater that is being affected.

I'm assuming you just chop and then move on. Have you ever thought about planting a tree after you chop? A few thousand saplings isn't illegal. Obviously, that wouldn't work along a track, but maybe Comfrey or something else useful?

Just food for thought, because you know, even if 20 people get inspired from you, what about those people they inspire later? Taking care of this place has to start somewhere. If you are able to make money like magic, why not give a little back to the thing giving you so much.

I don't mean to get on a soap box, you may already plant trees with your irrigation or landscaping companies. I'll just assume that you already pay something forward.

I know man...I've seen all the Acrylamide discussions (still not sure all are same, or based), and, if someone can steer me to a preferred one (not sure I have seen a general consensus...) I'd be glad to switch.....

(Actually, I'm much more eco friendly than most would believe ....the shit I catch alone from my partners about animals and trees is more than most could handle...(avid hunters and handy with a chainsaw...)... (On a spiritual angle.....I worry about that stuff...think it's "Bad Karma"....you know? (wreak too much havoc.....)

Not really sure what make up is of the below RC mentioned......those are the ones I use...says as stated below, biodegradable but of course ammonia and carbon monoxide not ideal

Anyone has a better suggestion, I'd be glad to change....don't have a problem....

I stick pretty much organic nutes for the most part.....cheap enough and reduced burn issues....

 

[pumpkin2006]

So the wambulance is here for the eco friendly

Mind you, I'm a raging hippy liberal duce (as South Park would say).

Heres you eco friendly water "crystal" solution: Zeba for Plants

 

[Julian]

I just picked up some water crystals actually
*tips hat to Julian*

Having fun with those, aren't cha

We might have to switch next bat5ch to something more eco friendly if suggested

oh and Julian, I was out with a friend today enjoying the beautiful weather at the beach. They are a casual smoker, always been the hippie type, even mentioned wanting to grow their own in the past (they are younger then myself), very "earthy" person.
so today the conversation comes to smoking and toking, apparently their family went to Alaska and she, hah, thats gotta be the best part, SHE, met a guy who had a lil secluded garden up there.

Long story short, she mentions it all to me, about how she wants to find out how to toss a few out in an old grove near her place. (She has no knowledge that I even know how to grow, which makes this slightly comical to me).

Looks like I'll "talk to a few people" and get her a clone or two to throw outside and see how she does, it really is as easy as lettin em 'grab' and usin those crystals smartly

plus its another location to use in the future if this whole outdoor thing takes off like I basically know it will

hope all is well in your neck of the woods

See.......moments like that I kinda start the "MMMM.......I know a little.......why?....you have an interest"? and let it go from there

Eh.....not bad....little unhappy with Purple Power.....(finishing, too large too early....might have some mold issues because so early..(hot, wet), and, hit some city spots little while ago actually..

(Edited.....don't want to get too specific, but........not to bad )

Not bad at all ....(except for too many too large )

 

[Julian]

So the wambulance is here for the eco friendly

Mind you, I'm a raging hippy liberal duce (as South Park would say).

Heres you eco friendly water "crystal" solution: Zeba for Plants

One of my weaknesses.... (South Park)

I'll check it out, and, maybe next runs try some (after I finish current of course......would serve me better than in a landfill, right? )

(I'm assuming the quality is up to par...otherwise....well..... Maybe I'll grab a small sample.....)

 

[pumpkin2006]

One of my weaknesses.... (South Park)

I'll check it out, and, maybe next runs try some (after I finish current of course......would serve me better than in a landfill, right? )

(I'm assuming the quality is up to par...otherwise....well..... Maybe I'll grab a small sample.....)

Honestly haven't used em' yet, but am going to check em out next session. I bet they work fairly well, if you look at em on Amazon.com, they have a 5/5 stars and some reviews saying their great... can't be to bad then.

 

[Julian]

Yeah......I'm sure....general write up and specs look same as everything else....