MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[guineapig]

Love the thread, i just read the whole thing......if this were a book i would buy it, the tone is no-frills, no-bullshit honest with the attitude of someone who's in it for the long haul.....

We call people like Snot (click on "the rules in America") "Short Gainers," they're always too near-sighted to see the big picture or they go for the easy piece when the whole pie is so much larger......

Thanks again Julian....you're an indispensible resource for these young'uns who have big eyes and big dreams but haven't taken a good hard look at what kind of person they are......and that part of it, the psychology part, interests me as well....

kind regards from guineapig

 

[Julian]

Can you talk more about protecting from flyovers? Is this shielding them among other foliage, ensuring they are green on green. Or using elevation to plant on hillsides? In addition, what characteristics do "acceptable" sites posses to be "safe and secure"? Thanks for any help on this.

Well, all starts with what is the risk of aerial issues to begin with....

ie: I know lot of people face them, and, personally, I take that as simple "find another spot"....Hard enough dealing with animals, potential passer by's, hunters, hikers, thieves, etc....throw in aerial on top of that??...

Also one must remember the point I try to hammer home:
While some have to face such issues (I know many ), I mean, the majority of all people, as said before, will never even see an eradication aircraft...Also, people forget what they're looking for....ie: They don't have the time to look for a couple plants (manually, scoping everything)....They're looking for things which are obvious......ie: Everyone always complains about the true massive grows, but, no one thanks them (for taking all the heat and manpower....)

I have my own firm opinions about the guys running 30,000-100,000....but....whatever,....

To anyone whose never seen the video or still footage from choppers....they would understand...(ie: The large ones can be seen easily from 100 times the distance a small one ever could be.....)

You spread them out...you work them in, you use existing vegetation and layout....treelines...hillsides, valleys, etc..(one of my newer spots mentioned and a small clip shown somewhere in thread is a valley spot....dense stinging nettles, blackberries, canopy pretty tight.....

Of course, sun is yield, but, the flip side is completely unobstructed is risk, so, one has to balance their needs with plants needs....

For example, and, I've told many in private.....you work a treeline....well, the downside is will be partially shaded during the day, yes......but, the flip side is depending on the angle of view......you really can't get any more safe than that....

Some would say a large number presents a larger amount of work if spreading them out?....Well, I know about that.......My city ones I sometimes spread out for miles.......... miles......

I bring em all in though

All boils down to something I wasn't going to touch (because it gets me uppity )

My green calculator says when I run the numbers says that 5,000 spread out and brought in weighs and brings more money than 30,000 busted

I really believe at this point in time (given my history) that it's all about having things spread out as wide as possible.....(ie: I might have a "spot" of 100......well, that "spot" could be the size of a football field.......)

My city spots...mentioned earlier....I might have one spot with up to 700......well, those 700 and probably spread out in single file over about a mile.....

I've said it before........when you plant....you become the observer.... You don't just run in plant and leave.....(well, to a degree but trying to make a point.....)

You judge and gauge potential observation when spot is selected....

If you were passing...what would you see......
If you were LE, what would you see.......

In short: You become the observer...You become the op.....

It's all quite Zen

In case people don't get that (Zen reference also).....it's simply: If you don't want them to be seen or found, then don't plant them in a way that they will

And, as before here and elsewhere......the more you do, and the more you spread them out....the less likely you will have a major loss.....(My city are sometimes on opposite end of city.....(who knows.....30 miles away?) My city and country are about 300+/- away......my country plots are up to a mile away from each other...... (some closer, some farther, but, not where you can walk 100 feet to the next plot......might be 5 minutes in the truck.....doing "the rounds" at the big one , to check, etc, usually takes an entire day....some times 5 minutes to next spot, sometimes 35 minutes to next spot......

 

[Julian]

Julian, really excellent thread. I appreciate the mature discussion around this topic.

Thanks man..........I do quite a bit myself actually (Aside from those who have had a little too much to drink and the occasional "Is that watch real?" comment (earlier Bar reference )

Regarding the friend with the painting neighbor: man, that sucks. It's been noted here earlier, and it's true: if the painter wasn't expecting to see marijuana plants, he simply wouldn't have seen them--even if they were right in his face. Besides, the thing he was focusing on was his paint job.

Besides, the thing he was focusing on was his paint job.

I love people who "get it"

Since his back would be to them, for mere moments .....yes, your correct (one can simply picture how one would paint....back to fence...move ladder, go up paint, move ladder, etc.....)

I think I may have a pic or two....I think most here would find the reaction utterly laughable if they saw them.....

Kind of hit home when I told him "You know, whatever man....you do what you gotta do...what you feel is best, but, that was about $500 in seed, so, will that be cash?...or a check"? (a lie, I was just fuckin with em )

Real shame your friend ripped up all that work...

I wrote a lot but just deleted it........

I may have come under the wrong impression......I think he just "relocated" them to another place ....still haven't heard whole story.....(no phones...have to wait till next time I see em....)

just underscores the fact one has to have a certain tolerance for risk to do this shit. Frankly, I believe that most are unwilling to take on even well-thought-out, calculated risks. People are strongly motivated by fear.

And of course the "fears" people possess, as even displayed bu topic above and below, sometimes have no actual basis in reality.....

Preconceived notions about the world, people...."perceptions"...etc......usually not in line with life..

People as a whole tend to as a whole do the same, about anything in life....every day......

If the world is one thing....since the beginning of time......

It's predictable.......

(Now I am sure the intellectual would argue that stating such would place me in line with the above (preconceived notions, etc), but, of course, there are such drawn from absolutely nothing, and there are ones drawn from fact...based on human behavior, and, the patterns that it always seems to take, at any point in history....(as you said......Man painting house, in sun, dripping sweat.....merely want to finish...his focus is one what? His focus is on finishing asap so he can get the hell off his ladder and have a beer .......

He's not fuckin sight seeing

Also, regarding your story about the friend declining the short-term property management deal: I've seen this kind of thing too. Not on as large a scale, but basically offering people free money or the equivalent to do me a favor--a favor that would put them at NO legal risk--and having 'em say, I don't know..... and then declining. People are strongly motivated by fear even if it's irrational.

Ahhh.......something I have seen from people more times than I can count......and, a source of disappointment for me year after year, and, as you said....can take any shape or form..(small, large, insignificant, etc....)

I take it especially personal due to who and what I am, and, my track record, so to speak.....(ie: these are the same people who say all the time how maybe I can help them do something, etc......and, as said earlier...I function in real life.....You want to do something? Sure, sit down, let's discuss it and within an hour you will be on your way....)

Yeah, they want to "do something" until they realize they actually have to do something

I can explain to you.........I can show you........I can even fuckin fund you.. and it ends there.....

I try to be nice about it most of the time...etc, but, I still occasionally feel the need to be a prick and "remind people".......(note: it does not only apply to "regular" people.............even people with means.....etc...)

(I have another guy who several years ago asked if he wanted to go in on some buildings with me....I figured spread it out a little (leverage)....to this day I occasionally remind him (when appropriate, when he talks about things/money/properties) how the same buildings he could have got in for 300k are now worth 900k-1.4MM each (His end would have been put
about 150k to get into 4 for 300k.....management my end, him completely silent...)

Which some will notice the reason I sometimes address what I do, and why I do.....

Because......for the most part.....everything anyone wants is well within their reach....sometimes much closer than we think....

"You want".......Okay, here you go...

"I....ummm....hmmm.......I dunno"....

Well, you sure as hell knew a minute ago before you found out was possible....

Of course the psychology behind it is that people have a "fear of the unknown".....and, where we are might not be where we want to be, but, it's something we know , and, the most dangerous: "Are comfortable with".....

The same applies to jobs....relationships...everything in life......

Your job sucks....you know you could make more....you know you could get something else that you would like more......that would take you further...but.......you don't....

Your girlfriend is really making you tired, you know that you'd be happier with someone else....better sex...nicer....etc......but you keep her....

Why?......(Many sometimes think I'm a hard edged prick....but...I just have little tolerance for "fantasy" talk.......I like in the real world, every day of my life....and, find it more than enough to handle......so, when I hear talk like the above Just kind of fires me up )

Life is change....."one door closes, another opens"......and a hundred other cliche's....(which all started for a reason...and all carry the truth.....)

Yep....people these days...you can't even hand something to them

I don't think your friend busted out a calculator and did even a basic analysis of what he was being offered--it was just something outside his usual "zone," something different and unfamiliar. My guess? He, like most, is accustomed to collecting a regular paycheck from his employer and anything outside that makes him go "ummm, hmmm, uhhhh..." He listened to emotion, not reason. So many people are immobilized by "What if?"

Well.....yes and no......

He is a 9-5'er.....

1.I didn't ask him quit his job.....
2.Building was like....2 minutes away.....
3.Made it clear all funds would be mine/ours...never a dime out of his pocket, for anything....
4.Made it clear if serious problems, he could either fix or just call contractor to handle it.....(again, a friggin phone call......period...)
5.Also made it clear that he may very well have nothing to do an entire year (rents go to office.....he doesn't collect....vacancies?...well, ideally..none, so...not have to meet anyone or show anything...ideally looking to build long term tenants in it.....)

I tend to present things to people completely...answer all questions...concerns, etc......so, while I might accept an opportunity being refused......

Upon fully explained?.......Nah.....

(plus, let's be realistic.......this is a "friend".....so.....could he bring wife with if he wanted? Kids?..while doing something?...fuck, even bring dog?...even roll one up???......I don't care ...I mean, as far as "boss"......I want the job done...means little what one does while they're doing it

Hmmm.........."skeptical"......people....always skeptical about everything....even when they know it's true....

(I understand......I am myself.., but, only to a reasonable point ...and, I learned long ago not to argue a point when I am wrong....)

What you say is so true: "either made for it, or not." Either you've got the stomach for risk, or you don't.

I think everything.......applies to everything.........

But, the shame is that all think such is beyond their control, when everything is well within their control....

My favorite example of people and opportunities:
Next time you hear people having a discussion about "What they would do if they won the lotto"?

Ask them if they even play $1.

(I think you know what the answer usually is )

 

[Julian]

Love the thread, i just read the whole thing......if this were a book i would buy it, the tone is no-frills, no-bullshit honest with the attitude of someone who's in it for the long haul.....

Well, if you read the whole thing.......then your already a better man than most

Thanks......very kind of you to say.....

I try to keep it real.....

We call people like Snot (click on "the rules in America") "Short Gainers," they're always too near-sighted to see the big picture or they go for the easy piece when the whole pie is so much larger......

Short sighted people are one of my weakness's.....my "pet peeves"....and one of the only true things that can turn me vicious pretty quick...

Most people are.......I've seen it all my life....the focus on "today".....on "now".....Completely oblivious of the "back end" of anything......the "upside"....

(And, in this game.....no shortage.......person takes off with $10,000 when long term relationship would have made them $500,000......(shaking head in disgust....)

Thanks again Julian....you're an indispensible resource for these young'uns who have big eyes and big dreams but haven't taken a good hard look at what kind of person they are......and that part of it, the psychology part, interests me as well....

kind regards from guineapig

Very kind again of you to say......Just try to offer what I can, when I can....hopefully of use....to someone....Makes a difference for one?.....Well worth the time....

Yeah.....if one can bear it (looking and thinking about it), it certainly is quite fascinating

Anything can be done.....almost by anyone......

Then?....well, all up to you

Growing?.......here's a spade, some nutes, some water bottles, crystals and clones.......go to it.....

"I........ummmm.......hmmm........"

"Who one is" actually determines what one is capable of and what is possible........

Not what one has...

 

[pakalolo420]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Julian again.

 

[Julian]

It's the thought that counts A kind gesture I must say...

How you doin my friend?

How's your stuff going?

 

[pakalolo420]

You know my style J, I figure the girls can have more fun without me mucking about.

Me? I swear this is the best place in the world to spend a summer. So, can't really get much better!

 

[Julian]

I know....I haven't been to my big one in......I don't even know....maybe 5-6 weeks now.....(I like it better actually, easier to see greater differences, etc (than weekly and such....) ..Note: They've been tended to, and, things done, just not me there....couple pics here and there ("reports") Same with my city....maybe 2-3 weeks?...(have no idea.....I think I planted some of last round, but, didn't look at all, just planted and got the hell outta there )

Couple things I saw recently kinda wigged me out a little, so, staying away for now....maybe nothing, maybe something......have been checking them daily from a distance...

Edit: I really kind of fucked up in the first place by putting M/F's over there....usually pure fem and I just come back Oct 15th+/-, with maybe a pass by a week before to see what I'm looking at.....I like leaving em best myself....

Still pondering late larger run.....started set up (slowwwwwly ), and, know on a firm deadline for the most part.....thinking about changing things up....still unsure but know whatever I do better be quick Could go here, could go there, partners say no, more than enough as is at those spots..........really not sure what I plan to do about/with those....have been eying a couple places......not sure....(All I have on hand is M/F's....so.....if all fems or clones would be easier to decide....)

 

[chefboy6969]

LOL this thread is funny, every once in a while I check in on this thread cause the title interests me..but no more..... execpt for a few pics by one or 2 members looking like nothing but just average outdoor grows,the rest is all chat..and dumb shit at that...
no offence this is a waste of a thread
Chefboy

 

[Julian]

 

[3BM]

chefboy?

 

[dj digigrow]

chefboy?

Chef your a fool...

If you only knew...

Thats a prime example of its not for everyone!

 

[pakalolo420]

Many words makes brain hurt, me like look at pictures.

 

[pumpkin2006]

LOL this thread is funny, every once in a while I check in on this thread cause the title interests me..but no more..... execpt for a few pics by one or 2 members looking like nothing but just average outdoor grows,the rest is all chat..and dumb shit at that...
no offence this is a waste of a thread
Chefboy

Your a waste of our time then. Please don't come back, because as far as I'm concerned, you aren't worthy of the wealth of knowledge that is in this thread. I speculate that you don't have the tolerance to read through the whole thread, therefor you obviously don't even have the constitution to pull of something like we've been talking about... so why would you even ponder in your head if you could do something like this.

I guess this is just the type of person we've been talking about... someone who just doesn't have "it". Also, I realized, just now, the reading through this whole thread is a test for tolerance and devotion towards a goal... Julian really likes to challenge our abilities to read

 

[Julian]

Also, I realized, just now, the reading through this whole thread is a test for tolerance and devotion towards a goal... Julian really likes to challenge our abilities..........

(As he starts rolling that man a cigar .......)

I dunno......I said it like....5 times......

What I do, and do not post, and how and when, is for a reason....(several actually...).......



(You mind if I hit that cigar first? ....how about twice....just to "get it going" for ya )

And another round of drinks......(yeah, my place we can blow one at the table....as long as it's at the outside tables.....)

I think it's a shame as he is exactly who could benefit most by topics.....

I also have to convey this site if for adults.....

I come here to have a discussion with adults....

As "men"...

So, for future posters.......

That would be a starting point......

I think furthermore that it a great injustice for such a person to insult others who have participated.....

I have respect for many in this thread, and as such, think they are worthy of it, and, fairly inappropriate to extend anything against them....

Me?......no problem....anyone is always free to...what someone, somewhere, whom I do not know, nor ever will has to say, really means nothing to me...

(Although I do think it's kind of funny....like the people who called up Cow or Howard and say "hey, I just wanted to tell you I listen to your show and had to let you know, I really think it sucks, I hate it" )

Don't insult others though......unfair and inappropriate....


Edit: I'm sorry......I smoked that all while I was talking.......I'll twist 2 this time )

 

[Julian]

but basically offering people free money or the equivalent to do me a favor--a favor that would put them at NO legal risk--and having 'em say, I don't know..... and then declining.

See......I take this extra personal......because I'm from the: "A refusal is not the act of a friend" school of thought .....

I don't believe anymore in having to beg others to do something good for themselves...

What......I have to "convince" the guy to take 120k?? .....

 

[Pimpslapped]

Y'know Julian.... now I understand the restaurant/drunks reference. But isn't it a bad thing when the cook (chefboy) comes out and hassles you? Sure the bar's not serving underage employees now is it?

As for any insults slung my way, water off a ducks back as they say. Always helps to just look to the source, of course.

Make sure one of those gets passed my way.

I've been lurking lately since I haven't had much that I felt needed to be said or asked. I'll sit back in my chair and shut up again for now. Don't really have any contributions I can think of to make.

 

[dj digigrow]

in dense forest, what's the best path of the sun to look for?, morning to noon or noon to sunset??
its kind of a pita to find an open clear spot with sun exposer all day...

 

[ourcee]

Ahhhh Julian, I was out with some friends walking a nature trail at night, rolled a few for the walk and I was nothin but quiet, looking at all the POTENTIAL I saw (obv not right on or near the trail, but tons of potential in the surrounding areas)

I'm DEFINITELY keeping this location in mind for next season, gonna do tons of scouting now, all kinds of options too

I know I could do trees in a few spots, late season minis in another, lots of lush green growth around.

oh and by the way, the Trainwreck took longer then expected to drop some roots (temp issue the first week), but I'll have a nice handfull ready to go by the start of next week


edit: oh and I got in a 5 lb bottle of those crystals, I went with the "small" size and I think it'll be perfect. I couldn't wait to play around with em so I dropped a pinch in my soda definitely got a feel for how far the stuff works

 

[Pimpslapped]

in dense forest, what's the best path of the sun to look for?, morning to noon or noon to sunset??
its kind of a pita to find an open clear spot with sun exposer all day...

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will catch it soon enough.

I'd look for something more from late morning/early evening sun exposure. Dawn and sunset would (to my logic) be times when the light reaching the plant would be least intense, going through the day until noon (Or midday, to be more exact.. actual time may vary) when it is at it's most intense, then the strength drops again. So I'd assume that as much sun during the peak light output as possible would be the way to go. (Taking adequate precautions to protect/harden seedlings/shoots of course)