MASSIVE INDOOR COMMERCIAL GROW

[ourcee]

Leave him a light or two so he can pay the rent... I wouldn't just leave without saying anything.. just tell him you don't wanna do it anymore and that you want out, etc.. find another place of residence far from that person(s) and start over..

I thought about that, however he doesnt have the knowledge to operate a successful hydro grow (even a semi successful one, they'd be dead within a week, easy) without me... he has friends that could, however he wont want to involve them.

as of right now, I'm paying the rent, he doesnt live at this location, this location is grow op only (for the moment). One of the reasons I want him out, is because he's trying to get me to finance his moving in (eventually) as well as some new furnishings, I'm not doing the grow to afford him a new TV or pay his truck payment or credit card bills (which as insane as it sounds, he wants me to do)

also he hasn't directly said he wants me to pay for him moving in and all of the amenities... however knowing his train of thought lately, I am 100% positive thats what he wants. He has become extremely manipulative and arrogant.

as far as saying SOMEthing, I'm tending to agree more and more, it wouldnt be a full on explanation, moreso a 30 second phone call... "I'm out, hope you can handle the rest"

the rest being..... nothing really, other then cleaning his crap out of there...


I have already realized who is a better partner, someone I've known for even longer and have a much more personal relationship with... mainly because its family and they merely want to help out...

I have enough financing to get a new place and its already in the works, dont have it yet so this is all a hypothetical situation, but one I'm looking to make a reality within the next week or 2 at the very latest

 

[Guest]

I thought about that, however he doesnt have the knowledge to operate a successful hydro grow (even a semi successful one, they'd be dead within a week, easy) without me... he has friends that could, however he wont want to involve them.

Go buy some Royalty Mix soil and teach him how to adjust the pH of water... lol... can't get any simpler then that =]


As for everything else.. its your call.. do what you feel you must do..

 

[Dr.Kevorkian]

full monty hits the nail on the head once again after the wire nothing is the same!!!

 

[ninfan77]

I'd be worried about him rolling over on you if you just up and scoot w/out talking to him. sort of a lover scorned idea ya know?

I'd tell him you're getting out, the risks are too much, and that you'll show him a few things if he wants to do it, but you're out completely.

 

[BlindDate]

I haven't read all 12 pages,, but what is your current agreement on splitting profits? Sounds like he feels he's getting short changed and is looking at methods of compensation without coming out and asking directly. If you cut and run (sounds funny applied to grows) he will definately seek revenge. I would consider this grow a loss. Give him a big cut, finish the cycle and tell him you have changed your mind.

Or, have him whacked and continue forward.

 

[purcellville]

Maybe re-think this yet again. The only safe and secure partner is yourself. With every other choice you will be right back in a similar situation. Nothing goes to a person head faster, than the thought of knowing they got you and you can't run and tell. And family will turn which is far worse than loosing an old chum.

I have already realized who is a better partner, someone I've known for even longer and have a much more personal relationship with... mainly because its family and they merely want to help out...

 

[terp182]

This is a very interesting thread.

I have a question. It is purely hypothetical of course.

So let's say that a person is interested in finding someone who can buy what he grows. Let's say that the amounts are moderate (1-5lbs per month max).

Let's also assume that the person has just moved to an entirely new part of the country for a new 40 hour per week job, so he does not know anyone yet.

How would that person go about looking for a buyer? Can anyone offer tips for finding people who might be interested?

And The Wire is an amazing show. Besides its obvious virtues, whoever chooses the show's music does a very good job: The Pogues, Tom Waits, Gram Parsons, The Stooges, etc.

EDIT: Also, how would one maintain communications security? I am guessing that email would be out and prepaid cell phones used strictly for business would be the way to go. Then you could rotate out cell phone accounts every X weeks.

That is if you want to do anything outside of face-to-face communication in the first place. Am I totally off base here?

 

[hazeywonder]

terp182-Try making a few friends in the office, find some people that smoke. After that good green finds itself..

 

[ourcee]

I'll probably repeat myself a few times in here with various replies so bear with me as I'll go from question to question

1. What is the worst problem you two have ever had?, over what? And how was it resolved?

we never had issues, not anything real at least, the biggest issue was "taco bell.... or carls jr?!?" lol. Currently the issues are the most asinine things imaginable... which duct tape brand I buy brings a fight... (not even kidding).
These fights are all over completely insignificant things such as insulated ducting from Home DePot or the grow shop (similar quality).

The way I deal with everything in my life is from an analytical perspective, I look at it from my view, see the pros and cons... look at it from the other person(s) views and see the pro's cons and do comparisons to come to a conclusion... I'm not getting enraged and yelling, during these 'fights' you wouldnt even know it was a fight judging by my tone of voice, my word usage, body language, or anything else.

When we work on the op, or brainstorm on the op. I explain things very extensively, I have the grow knowledge, he doesnt. When I explain things thoroughly, he gets annoyed/pissed/enraged because I "explain something for 30 minutes"... well lets see, of COURSE I'm going to explain why I dont want a ph of 2.5 and 3000 ppm in my reservoir! on the contrary, if I ask him to do something and dont explain myself or the reasoning behind it, he WILL fuck it up, upon mentioning "thats not really what I had in mind" I get the response "well you didnt tell me how you wanted this done so I did it my way"
2.What is the worst problem he has ever had with someone else? WEhy? How did he resolve it? (or not?)
I honestly couldnt tell you... He's only gotten in legal trouble once as far as I know... and it was over joyriding a golf cart as a minor lol....

(#2 tells you everything you need to know about what he's going to do

3.What's the guys good qualities? What's his bad?

Good qualities right now are clouded... he does have a lot of connections for moving product, fairly street smart. Bad qualities are his EXTREME temper (which was nonexistant before this), inability to deal with issues in a reasonable manner (if he's wrong, he'll bitch me out for being "ignorant" when I'm merely pointing out that theres a better way for it to be done). He's manipulative and arrogant. I'd honestly have to say his temper is extreme right now, he will get ENRAGED within 30 seconds over something VERY small... not even a negative issue, just one where I dont say "omg your right! you have the best ideas!" things like that

But you say below if you cut him loose he couldn't run one himself.....doesn't have the knowledge....(or maybe you meant only hydro.....)

He has no knowledge of growing, he's a partner to ASSIST me in the grow, I'm running it, financing it, doing EVERYTHING, and he's there to help trim when the crop comes in, and move it... THATS IT!. the cut was an agreed upon 50/50, EXTREMELY generous considering its just TRIMMING and general maintenance that I'm asking for

On paper and planning is the first phase where you find out who people are and lose them.....

The agreed upon 'strategy' you could call it, was that he would procure a location, I'd approve, and then I would set up and run the grow, the ONLY time he would be involved is when it was necessary for VERY rudimentary maintenence and trimming. then moving the product. I was the grower, he was the second link in the "chain". This was agreed upon before starting, now that its started he wants to modify my plans, when has VERY VERY little knowledge of ANY indoor growing whatsoever.. he wants to change my ducting locations, knock holes in walls, go through ceilings... he's trying to take it over... the "mine mine mine" syndrome, he DEFINITELY has.

(Should also be noted, as it seems your the engineer, finance, and really, the op itself.......in the future, you plan what you want. I still have yet to say what the guy "brings to the table")

bolded it for emphasis heh... yes I was supposed to be the OP... he's merely help, that was how it was planned from the beginning.
He 'brings to the table' very basic work. Trimming, and then having the connections to move product. the one thing he has done that I did not want to do, was get a location in my name... Maybe you can give me some more information about getting a rental house in my name. Credit checked? most likely. However what are the legal standpoints in relation to growing and having your name on the lease?

Depends also on your work mindset......If one believes in putting in work", well, really, it's a different level of what one can do alone..(but, again, ideally, you would still need someone to carry out things you should not, or cannot....procuring equipment, supplies, clean addresses, build outs, electrical, etc.....

I have procured all of the equipment myself, all safely :wink: . I have supplies, Ive done all the electrical work, construction and design... the initial plan was for his involvement to be extremely minimal... now he wants to do it all, and when I dont say that his idea is good (usually because they arent) its another fight within 30 seconds.

Secondary Partner, op is yours (The way I see it). I'd be curious the split.... (60/40. 70/30 your favor?) Certain fixed price per ;b? (which, frankly it could and sometimes should be, because he might end up doing small stuff and making 2-3k lb)

There would be various per lb prices, in the range of 3k to 3.5k depending on who its going to #1 and the strain #2 (going to be growing at least 2 diff [high quality/bag appeal as well] strains)

Green seems to hold a mystical power over one, laughably, which could be compared to "the ring"......Gollum (LOTR reference) which may very well seem like an amusing idea and statement, but, one that I m, and many others, can readily state is eerily accurate.

he's completely mezmerised by the green (not the paper green heh) its definitely accurate

(Note a fuckin joke...some people are overcome with such, just as above....."Mine, mine, it's all mine, " and start to become, as aboove/below....devious, manipulative....they want it, it's all theirs...(despite, in many cases, it's NOT all theirs, let alone mostly theirs

100% accurate and its scary that I'm seeing this in him. If you were to split up what each of us has put in and deserves from this op, into a percentage, his share would be (not lowballing) under 5% EASILY. He has the mindset its 90% his though...

Why do you state the above....examples (if you can.....)

you asked this about the following

However upon starting the op, a few weeks in it became clear, the reliability has dropped, the honesty has dropped, understanding of different ideas/thought processes and logic have SEVERELY dropped. This side of this person I have NEVER seen before, not in the entire decade plus I've known this person.

The reliability is that I can NOT count on him to be discrete, I cant count on him for accurate records for repaying money for supplies and whatnot... He has no desire to LEARN from me (as I know much much more about growing) instead he gets an idea in his head, and if he thinks its a good one and I disagree, there WILL be a fight over it. something as minor as the brand of duct tape chosen for instance.
He cannot grasp simple concepts, contradicts himself every other statement, and is trying to con money out of me because he's in a financial "situation" as of the moment (he would be one of those people that gets 100k and in 6 months cant take care of the sports car he bought with it and is broke).

simply because of me being out of town for FOUR DAYS and not able to take care of it myself, he flipped out over the temps of a mother room, which were near 80 due to a ducting issue (no sense in the way he was trying to run it) (the issue has been resolved btw) and he literally threatened to call his good friends/connect/smoking buddies (who have a very small soil op and are not NEARLY as educated as they should be) and have them clear out all of my equipment (15k+ in value) and basically fuck me over...
all this is over 3 days of having 80> temps... I cant trust this person for SHIT after realizing how paranoid/illogical he is

4.Is any of it due to paranoia?
5.I think you should both stop smoking until first op cured (Not an insult, not a joke. I'm deadly serious.....No partying...clouds reason...)

I'm not paranoid whatsoever regarding the OP. I deal with everything in a calm rational manner and dont get paranoid, oh sure I take an incredible amount of precautions such as redundant carbon scrubbers etc etc. now HIM on the other hand has a SEVERE case of stoner paranoia, I've told him this, I"ve told him that he NEEDS to stop smoking. He wont do it. He's to 'enchanted' by the green and feels he "needs" it (one of those psychological addicts) when in reality he just has no will power over it..

I have stopped smoking and dont plan on doing so untill first crop is completely cured... I agree 100% it clouds reasoning and seeing how my friend gets, I am only trying to reinforce this further on him.

Is it possible to discuss the problems (and possibly fix them?) This is always the best......2 adults sitting down, pointing out what are problems for them, to try and establish a rememdy...(Likewise, it is not impossible that could be done and everything be fine from that point on....although, the way you feel, you would obvious remain a little concerned until displayed 100% your good....

honestly... no that would be impossible, I'm fully capable, he is not however, I TRY to have a sit down conversation, have a beer and sit on the patio, and just TALK... it ends up with him questioning my motives for wanting to do something NOT his way or it will end up in an argument over something such as $50 for gas... its rediculous.

2.What would really concern me, is that he handles sales, so, therefore, may very well have shared his involvement in something, somewhere with anyone (be that 1 person or 10....)

this is my bigger worry then LEO... I"m worried he's going to want to be the 'thug' that can do something 'big' when in reality its ME doing it and he wants his image to his friends to improve, he does have friends that are bangers (although in my area its not as extreme as LA for instance). So I'm worried he'll tell someone, bring someone, show someone. I'm worried he'll get drunk and let things slip, and then people put two and two together

Note: People tend to promise things "soon"...which is always a problem because then you get "rushed" because then you have people "waiting" which of course then ensures things won't be dried and cured the way you want them to be, because people are "waiting and asking". Never say anything. Ever. You produce it when it's done, that's all. Anything else is not only a problem but a security breech.....

this relates directly to my last quote reply... I know for a fact he has told people that he MIGHT be coming into some herb soon, when the tone he uses and the word choices he makes clearly indicate he WILL have bud in a few months. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to find out it takes a few months to complete a harvest. He tells them a story about how he'll get it from "some older guy he's known for a while" it wouldnt be hard for someone to pick apart his story and destroy its credibility

you always want to do everything as quiet and reasonable as possible, as unless location is shuit down (and, still, even if it IS shut down), you still have someone walking around who knows your busines......so...(ie: partners split, go their own ways....2yrs down the road he gets busted, they apply some pressure (and, maybe the phone book with a sledge on it), and,....well, you know the rest......

I've done time, I know the drill. Me personally, I'd never rat, personal decision made a long time ago and it will NEVER change, no amount of money or time would sway that decision. Even if we end this grow amicably and have no hard feelings... if he gets caught up later, he'll know I'm still in the business.... so the only question is would this piss him off enough where he would rat on me? well the only thing is I plan on being EXTREMELY secure in this, financially as well as with locations and whatnot, so if 2 years down the line he does get popped, they would need to do an EXTENSIVE amount of investigation to find anything suspicious whatsoever, (hence my question about having rentals in my name) I would prefer to never have anything in my name, and thats the game plan for the time being, nothing in my name, all cash, no 50k cash deposits at the bank... I'm definitely going about this in a smarter manner with the things non grow related as well

I've had prolems that could not be fixed... I've had problems where discussions lead to more, but, later, agreement by other, etc....Best thing one can always do is make everything crystal clear from start.....

from the start the plan was I do the grow, he moves the product and helps minorly... thats it... now he's trying to change that, hence this reply and your help (which is MUCH MUCH MUCH appreciated by the way)

I can also state the number 1 source of problems come from unreasonable expectations on peoples parts.....(They see visions of 5-10x more than will be the case, so, lower end estimates are always what you want to use....always.....

I am estimating everything on the VERY low end... as if this were a total beginner first time grower and more then reasonable went wrong, I'm not counting on a perfect first harvest with this op.

2. Worse case scenario: Don't short him on what was agreed upon.Your unhappy, things went south, that does not void his participation and what he is owed.....Fair is fair.....

we agreed on the concept that we split PROFITS after everything needed to be reinvested, aka maintenance and upkeep/rent, he is honestly not getting shorted on ANYTHING other then the grandoise illusions he has of having his own house/cars/etc etc

I've done the above, but, as reasonably as possible......(ie: "Isn't working out, so, after this one, etc, etc", (Which sometimes is all that ius needed to turn things around actually ,or, after one, before next, pulling a last minute shutdown for other reasons, (security), etc....ie: You turn failure upon yourself, your fault......etc....)

I'm very much so contemplating this route... it would work most likely because he knows of my doing time.. if using that excuse (lying) he wouldnt question it because as I stated earlier, stoner paranoia has the best of him right now...

(And, depending on who and what you are, they might want to if only to prevent themself being found in the trunk of their car next month )

haha nah, I'm not into the banging scene, I'm the hippy stoner type (just one thats not smoking right now

What's the guys situation? (financially? I mean, as above, seems like he wants to live there, etc.....Is he in a bad situation? (and your really helping him out?

He's living in a place with some friends, renting a room, got a decent job but bad credit card problems, as soon as he pays some down, he'll just re-aquire more debt... He's horrrrrible at money management. He has been fighting with not just me, but the guy who owns the house's girlfriend (both of whom who live there btw) and its over (again) asinine shit like doing the dishes to help out. Despite his good job, financially he's in a world of shit, credit card debt up to his ears, a truck he doesnt need/cant afford and he cant learn from these past mistakes and control his spending...

Rental would stick the guy actually ($$), lose lease, etc (unless adequate notice given, etc....which just might bring in landlord to take a look...etc.....so, at least pack up, carry the notice period(actually, most fair would be as per agreed upon...if 60/40, you both carry it 60/40....if any expenses, etc...) Fair is fair....and not always convienient......What can ya do

yes he can take care of the lease without incurring any negative credit (not like his credit isnt fucked up enough already) and by me moving my stuff out, he'll still have time to ride out the 'adequate notice' and will probably incurr AT MOST $500 to finish paying rent thru the notice (rent has already been paid months in advance, by me of course)

(Fuck man, worse case scenario, just fuckin lie to the guy.....after crop you got busted last night with some, cops are all over your ass because they know it's hydro and are looking for the source, so, have to shut down...(one of the 1,000 possible ways )

something I'll very much consider, because of my past legal issues and whatnot, it would be VERY plausible to him

For others?
Let all of this be a lesson......
Be firm from the start....(I made mistakes before, again, trying to reason why it would be fine, despite what I clearly knew.....)

I cant stress this enough to all my fellow ICmag members

But, again, the "Mine" sydrome does pop up sometimes in the most unlikely candidates

its happened, I've seen the proof

also he hasn't directly said he wants me to pay for him moving in and all of the amenities... however knowing his train of thought lately, I am 100% positive thats what he wants. He has become extremely manipulative and arrogant.

1.If he hasn't said so, they why are you psotive, and, why don't you stop him mid sentence and ask him to clearly explain
2.Manipulative and arrogant? How? (Arrogant no surprise, I've seen it 100 times...they don't even finish a batch and it goes to their head like they're done 100...

true, I cant be 100%, however 99.99 works for me... the things he's saying we'll "need" for the op to make it seem less suspicious, "oh lets get some furniture, a tv, some dishes, all of that stuff" (the way he says it is what proves to me though)

manipulative in that he'll twist my words, changing what I stated VERY CLEARLY in the beginning that I would run the grow and pay for the GROW, not his gas, not his truck payment etc. He'll twist things and try to include them as things in part of the grow, he'll change his stories as far as me reimbursing him. he'll change numbers as far as visits to locations, supplies bought, time spent working on the grow etc etc,... I know this because I've caught him in a lie, I calmly refer to him stating something earlier that contradicts what he 'just said' and what does he do?... yep you got it, he blew up at me and tried to scream at me over the phone (gotta love hanging up on someone like that though)

he thinks he's done 100 grows, he hasnt even done one... I've done multiple grows, much much smaller, this is the first largER op and in this beginning stage, its not even an issue as far as having one person run it

1.You say you have someone who you have known longer, and who is a better relationship......

Why wreren't they first instead? (this is a big question.......)

I keep asking myself this... this new persons knowledge of moving weight, street smarts, none of that compares to the partner that WAS chosen. HOWEVER they are VERY willing to learn, thats what they want actually, they want to learn, be involved, help out a lil here and there, and just be a part of it... thats what I want in a partner with an OP this size anyways, someone who just wants to help in the bits and pieces its required. This person is family, and before anyone says more about "they are more likely to turn on you" or something similar, while I was doing my time this is the ONLY person who cared enough to visit write and talk with me beyond a "keep your head up" type approach that a few other family members had. this person had deep family love for me and the feeling is mutual, there is no fucking way this person would ever turn on me or rat (cant say so much for the partner chosen)

2."Train" them this time before bringing anyone in again......

You just made a big mistake.......

Don't make another.....

Talk, train, talk some more.....(and, as posted elsewhere, talk about eerything else than the grow ....Them, their job, their family, their relationships......

THAT gives you the best idea how someone is......

and thats why I want this person, I already know exactly how they would respond to situations, I've seen them through good and bad, I know their whole family I've been talking with this person about things grow related for a long time, I taught them bits and pieces when I was in the very first process... the only thing they want is to learn more and more! (reminds me of me when I first started <3)

He doest have the grandoise illusions of a mansion in italy and sportscars galore, he doesnt even smoke so having free KB all day long is of no matter to him...

FullMonty I must say you are definitely a master of this and I cant even begin to show you how much I appreciate all of this.

 

[ourcee]

fantasic replies FM... I love it....

You seem to see where I'm comin from and again I truly do appreciate all the information.

I spent a lil bit of time yesterday with the current partner, just a half hour or so while I went to the ATM... we talked minimally due to me not bringing anything up. He commented to me that a couple other friends have said things about him acting like a douchebag and that he realizes he has that issue.... I still havent seen or heard him say he wants to change it and work on it, and I still dont think he's seriously putting effort towards changing..

I know for a fact he's not going to do anything past a first harvest with ME... maybe he can find someone else but it sure as hell wont be me...

So now my current thought process is that I've still got a lil over a month till harvest... his involvement from now on will be minimal however we will still need to talk and consult obviously...

if notice is given very soon to his landlord, it will be PERFECT timing for harvest, give me a couple weeks for the start of cure (I dont plan on selling wet herbs to anyone, this will be KB as intended from the start) so I'll have a few weeks after the harvest to hang and do the portions of curing that would be hard(er) to transport elsewhere... from then I can jar it and transport to new location (which will already have a new run started and 2 weeks in +- a week or so) and can finish the jar portion of the cure there...

I already have the majority of that "notice" times rent paid (if it were given very soon)... I would LIKE to get the one harvest in, then move... I'm just unsure if thats the best move or to get out of there now and finish up at the new location (which I dont have yet, but could have by the end of this week easily)

If I straight up went to him and said "after this harvest were closing up shop" and had a good reason why (which I could think of easily, one thats plausible and impossible for him to find out if true or not) and I took care of the remaining amount of rent/utilities.
I dont see the problem with me doing that at all... after all its me paying for everything, if anything he'll get a credit boost from having his name on the lease... yes thats why the split was 50/50 because thats one thing I WOULD NOT do... anyways,... I would cover all repairs etc etc, and he would not lose a cent, the only thing he'd lose is being "in" on the grow.

no physical losses (other then the location that he's not living at anyways), no monetary losses, just a nice baseball bat whack to his ego and his dreams of being a "balla".

I can live with that

so the question is. Drop it all now? or finish the harvest, and minimize the bad blood "what ifs"?

I'm not overly worried about him jacking me for the product because he KNOWS it has to be cured and he doenst know how, therefore he's gonna want me in till its ready to be weighed... by that time I'll be at a diff location as well as the herb being in a diff location...

I'm just worried about the part between now and harvest...

your opinions?

 

[ourcee]

I'm familiar with the community shower aspect... he isnt..

I know he wouldnt ever start tweakin, if he did I'd cut and run so fast he wouldnt even ever hear from me again...

Jail is the best place to meet tweakers... gee I wonder why...

I can move EVERYTHING in its current state to a new location within the week and just finish my harvest there... he'd be out and I'd still pay the rent till the end of the notice... he wouldnt incurr any losses and I'm thinking I want to go this route, sure its more expensive as I'm paying for rent in an empty place... but lets weigh the differences, kick out a couple g's more... (not like I dont have a lot invested already) and do it the way I want, safely... or continue till harvest with that element of risk and keep the money while risking my freedom and equipment...

 

[Guest]

Note to everyone:
Do not have anything to do with anyone who dabbles in powders....

That rule doesn't vary, for anyone, anytime, ever....

(This spans everything to their judgment, to financial, to exposure/risk they create....)

Greens one thing, powders, another (ie:They get caught up in a bust with someone else.....)

 

[BlindDate]

You guys are spending WAY to much brain power analyizing this nutjob. From a professional point of view it's not worth it. The next time he goes on one of his temper tantrums, hold a Glock to his head and ask him to please explain his point again. This business is not a game. If you feel you are in jeopardy because of an unreasonable person, protect yourself. Always remember that we are criminals in the eyes of the law.

 

[StealthSniper]

I'm familiar with the community shower aspect... he isnt..

I know he wouldnt ever start tweakin, if he did I'd cut and run so fast he wouldnt even ever hear from me again...

Jail is the best place to meet tweakers... gee I wonder why...

I can move EVERYTHING in its current state to a new location within the week and just finish my harvest there... he'd be out and I'd still pay the rent till the end of the notice... he wouldnt incurr any losses and I'm thinking I want to go this route, sure its more expensive as I'm paying for rent in an empty place... but lets weigh the differences, kick out a couple g's more... (not like I dont have a lot invested already) and do it the way I want, safely... or continue till harvest with that element of risk and keep the money while risking my freedom and equipment...

Get out now. You've been in the clink, are you willing to sacrifice a few G's for that? He's shooting his mouth off, others know where the op is, no question. He will roll on you if leo picks him up. I have seen guys rat buddies out on large ops to get out of something as simple as a traffic violation ticket.
If he becomes a problem after the fact, you're in a better position to take care of the problem. It really is that simple.

Can we get back to the massive indoor commercial grow now?

Stay safe

 

[pico]

Any thoughts on talking to a lawyer? Is it a good idea to have one on retainer? What happens if you can't show income for money paid to the lawyer? Are your legal fees public info?

I think norml says that over 100 plants is mandatory minimum 5 years under Federal law. If a first offense, would that be lower? I swear I see guys getting 6 months for first offense.

 

[MTF-Sandman]

I've heard the same about the 100 plant limit pico...but I also know a guy who got 8 years proby for 200+ plants (and a bag of coke!). Guess it might have to do with what jurisdiction prosecutes it as to what the min's are...

 

[ourcee]

I've heard the same about the 100 plant limit pico...but I also know a guy who got 8 years proby for 200+ plants (and a bag of coke!). Guess it might have to do with what jurisdiction prosecutes it as to what the min's are...

True, I believe its MUCH harsher in some parts of the country/world then in others.

I've met someone that got a county year in california for having 3 TONS of product on them (obviously not kind bud, but weight none the less to leo)

the jails are so overpacked that its roughly 56% time in this part so he did 6 months 20 days for 6 THOUSAND lbs... (all saying that the story is legit of course)

I know for a fact first time offenses are lower (been there done that)

states with med laws are usually a bit more leniant

but a question to everyone else again, lets say you did have a large commercial op. but NOTHING indicating sales, (no scales/baggies/odd deposits) even if you DID have 99 plants, how can they point sales at you if there is absolutely ZERO indicating so other then the sheer number of plants?

always wondered about that, probably something dealing with that word we hate so much 'conspiracy to ____'

 

[ourcee]

Ourcee.......I didn't catch that last one.........If you have a place for em to go (depending on what method your running) and they can be packed up and transferred without you missing a beat, well, then that's a whole different ballgame......but, this guy of yours......should be handled carefully (You already stated your not the kind to handle things in a permanent way, so, won't even address those avenues....), but, make sure it's handled right......he's going to be walking around in years to come with knowledge of your hobby, so.....Has to be handled right to avoid bad blood....

my thoughts exactly

and the system I'm running would be easy to transport. probably a time table of 3 hours or so from the start of disassembaly to up and running at new location... enough time for me to just soak a lil more into the hydroton and they shouldnt even skip a beat...

I'm telling myself the (roughly) 2-3k it would cost me with nothing to show to end it amicably and get out of the current location/ordeal is VERY well worth it... I'd have a harvest within a month at the new location and no reason for any bad blood.

 

[ourcee]

Actually, you can also start the next round now so you have something to throw in there the second they're done also ... and really not miss a beat....

they are already rooting :wink:

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Here's a hypothetical for FM and everyone.

What do you do if your main distributor disappears (or just gets out at the last minute) and you have...say 10 pounds to move? Not a whole lot but not a little bit either. Anybody else who got any in the past was just personal friend but not the distributor type.