pumpkin2006
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Julian said:Edit: Money is only a motivating factor when you have none. If you do?, then why?
Well in reality money just equates power. He probably liked running an empire and that made him feel good.
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Well in reality money just equates power. He probably liked running an empire and that made him feel good.
I have my own theories regarding those issues. (Some say money equals power, but, most of the time people who say that don't come from the street and understand loyalty, which carries much more power in some cases than money could ever buy)
Some would say true power also comes in the ability to give jobs. To provide.
Some would say true power also comes in the ability to give jobs. To provide.
pumpkin2006
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Julian said:
Whatever you want to call power is power. Either its earned through loyalty or bought. Doesn't really matter how you get power, if power is what you desire. If your inferring that I don't know anything about "street" wise, just a friendly reminder that you don't know anyone on this site.
If you could please enlightenment me, as to the psychological reasons that someone would run such a large empire.
You are correct to a degree. You are also really not aware of who I know, and, who I do not, but, what is certain, is, I don't know you. And I know for a fact, you do not know him. I would also question your motive/agenda, as, the only one who used the word "empire", was you, and I really do not think it proper to offer, or discuss a psychological analysis of another who cannot respond, and that would most likely not be accurate regardless. This thread seemed to be interesting in the sense of number of posts/length, information and dialogue shared, and, that it remained civil. It is no secret that for quite a while he no longer had the interests he once did (indoor), so I feel it inappropriate you are trying to state such was his position recently. (And, if that assumption is incorrect? I stand corrected, and am mistaken.) I think that was mentioned previously, so, there is no need to go further into things that were already addressed, and I think the enlightenment you state you seek was actually addressed and offered if you had read the thread. "Enlightenment" is an interesting word, which means many things, to many people. I personally would never think I could provide such to someone from a simple post. You've made your position on the topic, and people, quite clear, which is fine, and, of course, the right of each and all to do anytime, anywhere, but, the tones, and position stated, obviously means a person such as you and I would have little to discuss. I merely came around to let certain people know certain things, and, didn't anticipate adding anything, but, thought I'd add what I did because it needed to be.
Edit: Yes, I have heard all these discussions in person, many times. We called it "a quick talk and a couple drinks". (It was never either)
Edit: Yes, I have heard all these discussions in person, many times. We called it "a quick talk and a couple drinks". (It was never either)
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GorillaGrower
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Dont worry about the indoor ? julian.. It actually just shows that FM hasn't been into indoor in a while. IF he was running 50 ops old school style with only vent fans.. that would be all fine tuning and bullshit. Maybe FM would like indoor if he went sealed enviroment. the only thing to remember is 4000 btu a light in ac and 1500 ppm co2 w a gen.. no enviromental controllers.. no massive in out fans and a constant controllled temp.
If there is anyone with links to old fm post post em up.. I think alot of people would like to see exactly what he meant by a mini.
In fact since this thread did get started with how questions in mind.. would it be possible for someone to use a heat pump style/ or house split system with a converted basement?
By disconnecting the return at the basement system and disconnecting the output/or modifiying to fill basement, then rewiring a $50 digital house thermostat to the basement. Couldn't this be done cheaply and be the most effective use of money and facilities? Would this system pose a problem dispensing heat in the winter ? ie the outside fins freezing or something. Anyone have input knowledge on this? Seems like you could convert the system in less time with less money and have a very effective system... with controls on day and evening temps and times.
If there is anyone with links to old fm post post em up.. I think alot of people would like to see exactly what he meant by a mini.
In fact since this thread did get started with how questions in mind.. would it be possible for someone to use a heat pump style/ or house split system with a converted basement?
By disconnecting the return at the basement system and disconnecting the output/or modifiying to fill basement, then rewiring a $50 digital house thermostat to the basement. Couldn't this be done cheaply and be the most effective use of money and facilities? Would this system pose a problem dispensing heat in the winter ? ie the outside fins freezing or something. Anyone have input knowledge on this? Seems like you could convert the system in less time with less money and have a very effective system... with controls on day and evening temps and times.
He never said otherwise. He dumped in for out a while ago, and stated it frequently, and, no, each spot was always run different depending on where and what it was and when.(He preferred fall/winter/early spring for "hit and runs" and out in summer, because summer temps in some locations hitting 110 outside). He also ran 2000ppm. Always.
(I do agree with the in vs. out comparison btw. The numbers and risk factors speak for themselves.)
Mini's are simply late planting, basically 12/12 from start concept, and, was dictated by location and what they allow. Outdoor in that respect is the same as indoor. More veg time, larger plant, less veg time, smaller plant. All posts and galleries were completely removed from every site last week.
He did more commercial spaces than houses, and, preferred top floors of 4-5 story older, larger warehouse buildings. Corner units. Bad neighborhoods.
Edit: (And there are some VERY funny stories that go along with those.)
It would also be relevant to thread to point out you do not just run out and get a space. You wait for the right space. You establish desires, plan and accumulate, so your ready when "right" space presents itself.
(I do agree with the in vs. out comparison btw. The numbers and risk factors speak for themselves.)
Mini's are simply late planting, basically 12/12 from start concept, and, was dictated by location and what they allow. Outdoor in that respect is the same as indoor. More veg time, larger plant, less veg time, smaller plant. All posts and galleries were completely removed from every site last week.
He did more commercial spaces than houses, and, preferred top floors of 4-5 story older, larger warehouse buildings. Corner units. Bad neighborhoods.
Edit: (And there are some VERY funny stories that go along with those.)
It would also be relevant to thread to point out you do not just run out and get a space. You wait for the right space. You establish desires, plan and accumulate, so your ready when "right" space presents itself.
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GorillaGrower
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yea totally agree on the minis concept.. ive seen skunks put out in late june durban skunks that were 15 ft tall were found and brush hogged.. but less than 50-100 ft away stood a ten x ten of skunks.. you couldn't even tell unless you walked over it. ... even better heli s looking for it couldn't!! Just wondering if pics were available to see FMs concepts in action.. and I think many more here would kind of get it better..
As far as outdoor is concerned.. ive met a few people in my day and they swore by corn fields. (obviously regional) .. pretty much same concept as minis.. put out around mid june july so they would be only medium small size. It seems like an easy easy way.. but at the same time I think more than a couple years need to be put in to find which fields are the best.. unless inside info is used. Or you have a keen eye for farms and know there business. Not saying I do.. Either way the product was chronic enough delivery service in nyc.
Anyone got info on a house or commercial conversion.. using existing splits like I explained?
As far as outdoor is concerned.. ive met a few people in my day and they swore by corn fields. (obviously regional) .. pretty much same concept as minis.. put out around mid june july so they would be only medium small size. It seems like an easy easy way.. but at the same time I think more than a couple years need to be put in to find which fields are the best.. unless inside info is used. Or you have a keen eye for farms and know there business. Not saying I do.. Either way the product was chronic enough delivery service in nyc.
Anyone got info on a house or commercial conversion.. using existing splits like I explained?
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i know when we did a grow in a commercial location, it took us a while to find the right spot neighborhood, neighbors, building layout etc. We also made sure there were no schools nearby. It was only 1000 sq feet of space. And we completely fucked that up. The space couldnt handle the heat, we had no way to vent the rooms and the panel was only 60 or 100 amps. between the lights and all the wall unit AC's, we maxed out the panel and we were screwed.
What a waste that was. Never did finish a grow.
The right spot takes time to find.
What a waste that was. Never did finish a grow.
The right spot takes time to find.
By the way, you look FABULOUS...
By the way, you look FABULOUS...
J-Baby,
Was wondering if you might put in a good word with the Fullest-of-Monties.
Obviously he is a busy man. He's also got a lot of grow mileage. Some of us were just starting to take advantage of that - and thereby keep ourselves out of a world of shit that might hit the newbie otherwise.
So, if you have a chance, please let FM know that it is his patriotic duty to share his knowledge. We are all God's children, and should share our toys accordingly. And be protected from ourselves as much as possible. And, whether indoor or out, we are all united against The Man.
With that said, I am enjoying your input very much. So keep up the good work. And if they ask if you want to "supersize that", please say yes.
Thank you.
By the way, you look FABULOUS...
J-Baby,
Was wondering if you might put in a good word with the Fullest-of-Monties.
Obviously he is a busy man. He's also got a lot of grow mileage. Some of us were just starting to take advantage of that - and thereby keep ourselves out of a world of shit that might hit the newbie otherwise.
So, if you have a chance, please let FM know that it is his patriotic duty to share his knowledge. We are all God's children, and should share our toys accordingly. And be protected from ourselves as much as possible. And, whether indoor or out, we are all united against The Man.
With that said, I am enjoying your input very much. So keep up the good work. And if they ask if you want to "supersize that", please say yes.
Thank you.
pumpkin2006
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I would never make an assumption about this person, for I do not know him; as you stated. I would make educated guess from the extremely accurate and detailed information you've given me. Every statement has been a response to what you said about that person.
I don't dislike or like him, I don't know him; 99% positive I never will know him. I don't understand why you take offense about the word empire. Empires are run by kings and leaders and great men, not bad men. You yourself described him as a leader, an organizer, the guy who made things happen. He controlled the show, therefor it was his empire.
When I asked for enlightenment, I wasn't attempting to reach Buddha-darma or anything like that
. I was asking you to tell me what motivates someone to do something that seems so extreme to ordinary people. If you don't wanna talk about thats cool, I respect that, its just as simple as saying: I dont wanna talk about it.
Edit: Sorry, it seems I rubbed you wrong, wasn't my intention to make an enemy. My motives are to gain knowledge, for that is the greatest thing in life. I don't really want to know about FM, I just wanted to know why someone like that would do what they do; when he is talked about you can't wonder a lot things, right?
I don't dislike or like him, I don't know him; 99% positive I never will know him. I don't understand why you take offense about the word empire. Empires are run by kings and leaders and great men, not bad men. You yourself described him as a leader, an organizer, the guy who made things happen. He controlled the show, therefor it was his empire.
When I asked for enlightenment, I wasn't attempting to reach Buddha-darma or anything like that
. I was asking you to tell me what motivates someone to do something that seems so extreme to ordinary people. If you don't wanna talk about thats cool, I respect that, its just as simple as saying: I dont wanna talk about it.Edit: Sorry, it seems I rubbed you wrong, wasn't my intention to make an enemy. My motives are to gain knowledge, for that is the greatest thing in life. I don't really want to know about FM, I just wanted to know why someone like that would do what they do; when he is talked about you can't wonder a lot things, right?
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Good Grief, Charlie Brown
Good Grief, Charlie Brown
Sigh.
I sooooooo wish that everyone would forget all the head jousting, and focus on tips for those of us looking to grow a staggering crop of spleef, with minimal LEO grief.
For example, I'd like somone to show me how clones are started indoors, then hardened off(<-still not clear what this involves...)before being transplanted out doors. THAT would make MY day.
Good Grief, Charlie Brown
Sigh.
I sooooooo wish that everyone would forget all the head jousting, and focus on tips for those of us looking to grow a staggering crop of spleef, with minimal LEO grief.
For example, I'd like somone to show me how clones are started indoors, then hardened off(<-still not clear what this involves...)before being transplanted out doors. THAT would make MY day.
pumpkin2006
Member
DaDank, no problems; back to what we like doing: growing weed! 
Ok, one way to harden off clones when their rooting is to expose them to less and less humidity for more and more time, until they don't need spraying/humidity domes.
To harden a clone of from indoors to outdoors, you first need a similar light cycle, second you need well established clones. So what you do is, you take your clones that are indoors outside for short periods of time daily, hopefully you can keep a regular schedule, I.E. every day at 10am. Just as you would harden off a clone from you humidity, you begin to increase the amount of time outdoors a little more each day, until they are just outdoors permanently.
Of course it would be hard to harden off hundreds of clones, because the amount that needs to be moved.
Thanks and hope this helps!
Ok, one way to harden off clones when their rooting is to expose them to less and less humidity for more and more time, until they don't need spraying/humidity domes.
To harden a clone of from indoors to outdoors, you first need a similar light cycle, second you need well established clones. So what you do is, you take your clones that are indoors outside for short periods of time daily, hopefully you can keep a regular schedule, I.E. every day at 10am. Just as you would harden off a clone from you humidity, you begin to increase the amount of time outdoors a little more each day, until they are just outdoors permanently.
Of course it would be hard to harden off hundreds of clones, because the amount that needs to be moved.
Thanks and hope this helps!
pumpkin2006 said:
Not at all. Let's be honest, first it's about crap product, then it's about love in an alley, then about greed, then empire comes in. I just thought better to leave those things alone. Regarding "empire", well, he is not well right now, and, I think that is the last thing that should be said or he should be even remotely linked to (currently). That was a specific point in time which is no longer applicable.
(I got a kick out of "motivation, and "extreme", because, anyone who knows him knows that is his flaw. You talk about doing 500, in a month he has 4,000 ready and says "don't worrrrrrry about it, we'll find a place for em".)
GG. I have heard similar discussions (many) regarding that. (AC dedicated to space, but then I think the problems with that are complete and even coverage and hot spots in a larger space. I know I've seen people
walking around taking temp readings from every area to gauge that. But, I think that/those are also location and seasonal issues, because winter runs were always preferred, and, cooling not as much an issue as actually keeping temps up., as many times in areas where -30+ windchills not unusual. (Too hot in summer, too cold in winter). I always heard the phrase "easier to keep em up than to keep em down) My understanding was commercial always much more desirable due to completely raw space can be built out at will to exact desires. (but, downfall is, more work). One must remember, he's from a music background, so an extremely secure, (because 300K+ in equipment) private,(because extremely loud) "practice/studio space"[/i],(enormous power draw) is not an unusual request or something that ever raised eyebrows. I think it's more the space though. Easy to say "cool tubes, a/c and Co2", but, seasonal issues and the actual space can make it much more complicated than that.DaDank. Thanks, I've been working out (You can tell can't ya?) and have my "speedo" shoot coming up soon.
Regarding moving out, well, depends what your talking about. For example:Early season, depending on location, you can move straight out from under 1k's (600's?) and most of the time they take fine, (later, might have a little initial bleaching, but, they recover fine) but, when one begins to discuss later season plantings, you would want to begin/germ outside if possible. (Referring to fem beans, which was always first choice, as limits lead time, and, in 1,000's, fair discount) Clones, as Pumpkin
stated, just exposure little by little. (Which again depends on your location and resources and exactly how you are doing things. For example: Some have decks, yards, balconies, etc, etc. You work with what you have. Also, you choose your containers wisely. One of my pics has a friends containers, which allow anywhere from 60-300+ per container/tray depending on pot size, and, when one gets to smallest size, I have seen as many as 400+ per tray.
People with balconies also have it fairly easy as when things are young, small, depending on your location and sightlines, one can get a couple hundred on a balcony.(As long as no one over you. You would just cover a sightline from the side. You use and do what you have.)
Edit: One should also, if talking numbers, clone with maximum efficiency, as, you want them as small as possible. I know our friend had pics up of trays full, some as small as 1/2" each. You can turn a single mother into hundreds(200+) if you like and your efficient.
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Their money was fine, it was their security that sucked. Amateurs if you ask me. Inefficient, wasted space, (4-6 sq. ft per 1sq. ft. of plant Veg nice spacing, except for the lights 6 feet way )) and, they were under investigation from their first batch. (Details were all relayed initially, but, pulled from further articles)
Not to mention, you want to talk greed? How's 5 years in the same space.(When you were under investigation from the day you moved in and started) They could have packed it up and wrapped it up at any time and made it out clean.
Set up costs and per batch (100-200 per batch I believe it was) obvious. What? You can't afford a pair of generators?
Some people just never listen.
Veg nice spacing, except for the lights 6 feet way )) and, they were under investigation from their first batch. (Details were all relayed initially, but, pulled from further articles)Not to mention, you want to talk greed? How's 5 years in the same space.(When you were under investigation from the day you moved in and started) They could have packed it up and wrapped it up at any time and made it out clean.
Set up costs and per batch (100-200 per batch I believe it was) obvious. What? You can't afford a pair of generators?
Some people just never listen.
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BakedBeans
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Man, sounds like FM isn't doing very well. I started jotting down notes from this thread earlier, and I should have gone off looking for other threads but this is the only site I really read.
Perhaps he could be convinced to help write an FAQ without revealing the information himself. I know commercial information is a really touchy subject around these forums (and for good reason), but there is no reason the information should be stifled. Post anonymously.
Julian, do you think he's ever coming back? When you say he's not well, is this a health thing? It's making me wish more and more that I would have found Overgrow before I did. I was only on for a week before it went down. No time at all to make notes!
One day this information may not be around any longer. It needs to be free.
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Perhaps he could be convinced to help write an FAQ without revealing the information himself. I know commercial information is a really touchy subject around these forums (and for good reason), but there is no reason the information should be stifled. Post anonymously.
Julian, do you think he's ever coming back? When you say he's not well, is this a health thing? It's making me wish more and more that I would have found Overgrow before I did. I was only on for a week before it went down. No time at all to make notes!
One day this information may not be around any longer. It needs to be free.
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BakedBeans
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That really sucks. I am sending out positive vibes for him. I hope he and his family are safe.
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GorillaGrower
Member
I thought I would throw out a quick suggestion on the trays Jmasters got up there.
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/23043A_friends_trunk_.JPG
the trays are underbed containers usually found in lowes, home depot, walmart..
I would suggest if you are going to use these.. make sure you either dump the water out after watering which means moving 100s ... or grab at some 2x4 florescent light grids while your at home depot... dont have a pic but there what goes up in ceilings in office buidlings.. cut to fit.. and you dont have to worry about whether your water in the tray will dissipate on its own.
If ya got one tray.. or you only are keeping outside in a dry enviro.. you wont need it. but if ya got multiple trays.. it could save alot of hardwork from being destroyed to waterlogged no 02 to the roots.
And yeah.. Julian.. I understand what your saying.. about the A/C .. I think its obvious if someone only did seasonal hit and runs that the only way that makes sense is to setup highly vented setups in cold winter enviros for efficiency.. but at the same time.. like your saying set and setting.. it seems if someone would stay at a place a little longer.. they could utilize certain parts of the area.. like say Canadian growers utilizing local water streams to cool indoor grows w/ chiller units. I'm sure they look for spots that have the local water to use.
And it also makes sense if your doing a hit and run in just the winter.. that yeah you wouldn't use the roofchiller of a building to cool the op.
But I guess that's why I'm asking.. does anyone else know if large scale.. 20k and up lights.. are almost exclusivley vented? or are they hvac based also?
http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/23043A_friends_trunk_.JPG
the trays are underbed containers usually found in lowes, home depot, walmart..
I would suggest if you are going to use these.. make sure you either dump the water out after watering which means moving 100s ... or grab at some 2x4 florescent light grids while your at home depot... dont have a pic but there what goes up in ceilings in office buidlings.. cut to fit.. and you dont have to worry about whether your water in the tray will dissipate on its own.
If ya got one tray.. or you only are keeping outside in a dry enviro.. you wont need it. but if ya got multiple trays.. it could save alot of hardwork from being destroyed to waterlogged no 02 to the roots.
And yeah.. Julian.. I understand what your saying.. about the A/C .. I think its obvious if someone only did seasonal hit and runs that the only way that makes sense is to setup highly vented setups in cold winter enviros for efficiency.. but at the same time.. like your saying set and setting.. it seems if someone would stay at a place a little longer.. they could utilize certain parts of the area.. like say Canadian growers utilizing local water streams to cool indoor grows w/ chiller units. I'm sure they look for spots that have the local water to use.
And it also makes sense if your doing a hit and run in just the winter.. that yeah you wouldn't use the roofchiller of a building to cool the op.
But I guess that's why I'm asking.. does anyone else know if large scale.. 20k and up lights.. are almost exclusivley vented? or are they hvac based also?
