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[pico]

Actually I don't transplant the oasis cubes in to anything. They are in sheets of 104 cubes that go straight out the door.

The oasis sheets are faster to clone with too. With the EZ cloner I take out the neoprene plug and put in the cut(s). Then I put the plug back in. With the oasis cubes I just slide the cut in the cube. I mean it is not 10 times faster or anything, but it is a little faster.

Sprayers get clogged afer a while, it just happens. I don't mean totally clogged, but they don't preform as well. Why do you think they sell replacements? Plus this is just 1 more maintenance item. Oh yeah, and you have to replace your neoprene plugs after a while because they shrivel up and don't provide as good of seal. Costs around $60 for new plugs on my 120 site.

I am not doing any process wrong, I just mean that when adding another step things happen, you drop a clone and step on it.......break the roots off while going in to the plug...whatever.....it is just another step and another time for things to go wrong. Not like it is a major problem or anything.....

Just out of curiosity, do you live somewhere warm or cold?

 

[GorillaGrower]

hey pico.. sorry some of what I said got mixed up.. fm wouldn't have a separate step because he would be planting from ezclone/oasis to peat pots.

unless you were providing small mothers your totally right.. your system looks like it would be the best at providing cuts that will store well on the shelf and will transport again for the customer.

in between.. not too cold.. but hot and humid 90+ s . in summer.

 

[DaDank]

And the Winner is....

And the Winner is....

Mary Cheney

 

[Julian]

Yeah, I guess I see what you mean. To me personally seemed like an extra transplant, but, I guess 2 any way you slice it. I know my buddy does the RW plugs, 1 per side, 2 per plug,max spacing, because he never knows where/to who what is going when he makes them.


Edit: I was talking to someone today about an interesting aspect about running multiples, how they get started, an interesting viewpoint I thought might be worth sharing that puts it all in a different perspective that actually I would think most reading could relate to.

We're talking about growing for surplus ($). Many are, for themselves, varying amounts, but, at some point, one will start to see the true potential, which is that any space, anywhere, anytime, in or out is potential product($)..

Everyone has space. There is space everywhere. In out, large, small. Everywhere.

Now, how it was relayed to me was that, basically, most growers do not realize the true power they possess.

Which is basically the ability to produce as much money as one desires based upon how much space they utilize.

You need more? Grow a little more/more space. Still more? Little more space.

Your cousin has "extra" space. Your friend" has "extra" space. Your brother has "extra" space.

The defining factor is at some point (beginning), you will begin to have "extra" money.

Going back to the above: The ability to produce within roughly 60 daysas much money as you like, anytime, anywhere, on a whim is a tremendous power, whether people realize it our not. (I mean, let's be realistic, you might as well just be a magician, able to make money appear as you need it. (60 days assuming vegged and ready to go. 90 from scratch almost anywhere, anytime.)

When one has the desire to do so, and, the knowledge to do so, ones perspective begins to change (on growing, money, etc.)

All comes down to a little money, desire, and space. Now, I know some began based on space. You have the space? No problem. 60/40 split, will have it set up in a week and can terminate whenever you like (end of batch). Some might even also say "well, you want to learn, we can teach you everything, and, at some point, we roll over it over, you give me last batch or portion to pay for all equipment, and, we're good.

But, really, one could start expansion maybe when they hit an extra 30k (which is not a big deal, as, that can be 10lbs or less). 30k can set up a lot if talking only equipment (no carrying costs). Some work alone, some like partners but, if a single person can run multiple of any size, well, then they have my admiration. Sincerely, because, to the best of my knowledge, just can't be done.(While still having any sort of "regular" "life")

The ability to create cash at will almost anytime, anywhere just from "space".

If you ask me, that's pretty fuckin magical .

For some (many), It can all start with just a matter of "hey, I have some extra stuff for set up", and, build from there. I have always seen a lot of that, so, seems to me, knowledge and little bit of money and people with "space" that want to earn a little money (most people)....not that hard to go from point A to point B, but, as said before I am sure, any scenario all boils down to smart cash management.

Money.......Any amount can be a little, or, it can be a lot, but, you decide by who you are, your approach and your habits.

I've known a lot of people who just basically flipped profits into more equipment and just found it a home basically. (A grows, sets b up for piece, then, sets C up for another piece, then, sets d up for another piece, then, sets up another for himself, then, etc, etc....)

(The "return" on equipment has always interested me....)

Have extra cash? have extra "spaces". Empty? Just sitting there? There you go Use for 3 months? 6 months? a year?. They're everywhere

 

[pico]

Yeah it is really just the best system for my situation. The backbone is the oasis cubes which I really like.

Glad the EZ Cloner works well for you. I have owned many of them and at times have been very impressed. Hell I owned the first EZ Cloners on the market, the ones the EZ clone guy made out of rubermaid tubs. BTW, if anyone has one of his originals he will give you a good deal on an upgrade to the current unit.


Julian- When you do low maintenance outdoor spots do you use any sort of slow release fertalizer? I want to throw a bunch of plants out this year but I have no plan of going back until they are ready to harvest.

 

[Julian]

Julian- When you do low maintenance outdoor spots do you use any sort of slow release fertalizer? I want to throw a bunch of plants out this year but I have no plan of going back until they are ready to harvest.

Depends on the specifics. For example:
If drilling holes, hole gets a fairly good amount of custom mix, then, a top feed, and, ideally just a heavy top feed leading into flower.

If small holes, a heavy top feed of custom mix, and, again, ideally, the same leading into flower.

If small holes and no visits, the just a seriously heavy top feed of a general custom mix.

"Custom mix" being mix assembled from bulk ingredients, as compared to an all purpose, and, a mix of immediate and slow release. Depends also on your area. Lot of areas, one could of course just plant, walk away, and, yes, come back and grab. (Which would have to be strictly fem or clones, if you can't make it back around to sex and pull. Unless of course you want to run a seed plot.) and depending on location and soil have fairly good results (I've done a bunch.)

Mix of course a dry, to make any transport easier.

No maintenance often as east as it sounds, but, one has to remember, yield is in your prep and hole, so, one ha to remember to expect reduced yields on a no maintenance.

Just make sure their as "established" as possible (6"+). More established they are, less problems you'll have. Plant as close to rain as possible, and, after about a week, you should be fine.

Depends on your areas though as far as rainfall. After they're larger, usually one good storm/heavy rain every week or two is fine.

Problem with no maintenance though can be pests (animals), because, if no maintenance, you can't really cage em, so, the more rural the location, the more possibility of animal problems...(In city spots, I have never had a loss due to animals..farther out you go, greater the problem)

Most know what "ideal" is, so, you just start with that in mind and work your way backwards (as far as what you can physically do, or want to do. Visiting plots all the time never a good idea. Longer one can stay away the better for many reasons.

 

[Guest]

I have to be honest, I did not run the pump with the bleach in it, no, I Just made a tank of water in the cloner and mixed the bleach solution and soaked everything in hot water w/ bleach and soap. It was hit and miss and so I stopped using it. I did actually use clonex sometimes even against the builders suggestion, I used the clonex liquid, not gel. It was said to have a fungicide in it. However, I have killer results with it in rockwool. I'm into really easy cloning and most anything if you let it breathe will produce killer results without much trouble of fungus, the cloners were just way easier to go wrong. Not the system for me, I was running way too high #'s and really depended on my success rate at the time.

 

[Guest]

organics break down in 1 month, so why not just every 3 weeks go see your plants, top feed and hope for the best.

 

[pumpkin2006]

So I noticed nobody wanted to answer my question.... just not a valid question, or what?

 

[yamaha_1fan]

So I've read threw most of this thread, but maybe I missed this...

Whats the most efficient system out there? I mean is it a SOG with 4" rockwool cubes with drippers on them? Is it ebb n' flow SOG, is it trees?

I guess the main point that has been illustrated here is: You want a quick setup and a quick tear down with high productivity and low maintenance. [EDIT] I would consider cost to be a factor as well[/EDIT]

So what system/style is this ^?

I would like to know what people think as well

 

[yamaha_1fan]

i hear you guys saying femmed seeds. does this mean you can order seeds which will all be females? I have seen the femmed seeds but i assumed that meant more were female but not all. This would be a huge plus as i was supposed to get some clones and that doesnt seem to be working out. knowing i didnt have to sex plants would be worth quite a bit to me.

 

[Julian]

If you have the lead time or the mothers, of course you want to always do clones. Cheaper, but, not quicker (unless already on hand. If mothers on hand, 2 week+/- lead time....) I like fem seed for certain situations, cuts off lead time for a quick run if no mothers on hand (say, your shut down for 6 months then want to move on something quick....) But, as with everything, limits selection as not everything available in fem, have to work with what's out there.

SOG, trees, etc, etc. I always say whatever your already comfortable and confident with, but, of course, most should always be aware of numbers. Anything other than trees is going to kill you on the numbers. (Even out if your running a lot of larger.....)

(Which runs right into security. You want to be running huge numbers indefinately? Push it too far? How comfortable are you? )

Supplies also something you want to be concious of. Not the best idea when you need a truckload of something every 60 days, ya know?

 

[BakedBeans]

I'm liking the sound of 3 Little Birds JOG method using 10x2x3' tubs, 1800watts (3x600). They were known to produce up to 4grams per watt. It seems to me their growing method can be (has been) scaled with a large grow space and it promotes healthy, bushy growth, especially with a few modifications regarding topping/LST/FIM, etc. You can run organic and there is no need to worry about waste water. Hook up an irrigation system, dial it in and watch bushes grow.

In a commercial grow, all that left over soil may not be such a great thing, though 3LB mentioned cultivating their soil and re-using it. I suppose you could just lug all of your tubs around if you had to move shop. What a PITA.


There is definitely something to be said for simple and easy hydro (E&F, etc), but there is an awful lot that can go wrong too. Organically grown anything commands a price premium in todays market, so unless you live somewhere bone-dry and people really don't care, it's something worth considering.

Definitely clones in commercial though. If all you have is beans, run in buckets first.


I like the idea of using a coco/perlite mix with tea or PBP in a large configuration. Using a dual drip irrigation would work well and would provide some safety. I bet it would be near hydro results with an Organic method.


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One thing I don't think anyone has talked about is mass-harvesting issues. I suppose an apartment or house would have to be rented/procured. I assume drying is to be done at the grow space, but what about manicure, or other packaging?


Sorry, these may have been answered earlier in the thread. It's been a long night and I'm too tired to search.


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[pico]

4 grams per watt? Are you sure about that? That is over 16 pounds from 1800 watts.

 

[pumpkin2006]

Could you link that info from the 3LB's? OR I guess I could just PM them. If people don't know their known as theFlintstoners on this site. They joined a couple months ago.

 

[BakedBeans]

Sorry, I should have just posted the link last night but I was tired.


http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=34071


It seems in order to reach 4g/W they had to be very selective with their mothers and really had to tune everything but yes, they had documented results on OG.


I just happened to stumble upon it a few weeks ago.


I really wish the OG threads were available still. Lots of great information lost. :-(


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[Julian]

There are actually(always have been) a lot of fairly (extremely) large ops running soil, probably for a lot of reasons, I'm sure one being as mentioned above. (Turnover and restocking of large amounts of supplies on a consistent basis, because, of course, last thing you want it the exposure when your sitting on something large.)

Everyones situations and resources are different, but, ideally,you never want product and cash anywhere near op. (Some have no choice).

I see a lot of busts where cash and product on site and grabbed, and, always feel bad for them.

You always want everything as far away from each other as possible.

 

[brookie]

nuts

 

[yamaha_1fan]

Julian, I would rather have mothers too but right now my grow room is basically setup and my source for clones is not coming through.

So i have 2 choices:

1 order seeds, sprout, grow, clone, veg clones for 1 week, then flower, then retake clones off female mothers after i know which are females/males

2 order femm seeds, sprout veg and take multiple clones and grow. I figure this method will save me at least 4 weeks or more. In the meantime i can start seeds from other non femm strains and sex them.

So to be clear, if I order femm seeds, that means they will all be females?

 

[GorillaGrower]

yeah.. check around some breeders use different methods to make the seeds.. some seem to work better than others..,, but paradise is a pretty good place for them no?

Julian.. what are some of the ingredients the the fert mixes??...

yamaha_1fan .. you definetly can use slow release fert. although of course if you could go organic that would be better.. but if you feel slow release would match your method. .. than (I'm sure I'll get flamed for this) osmocote (from walmart,homedepot) or heavy harvest (Advanced Nutrients) will work for what your talking about. just a small handful scatter under the surface around each one. ..

i'm pretty sure the ebbn flow buckets are supposed to be a great method too.. wasn't teh molson brewery set up that way?