Mass/RI/Con Growers here! ...Part II

[pappy masonjar]

Nice stardawg everyone!
I guess I didnt realize she yield so well. Nicceee!

And congrats on the legal progress!!!
Thats great news for everyone, the more states that fall, the quicker the whole wall will crumble. I hope my stupid state gets on board soon.
Either way thats great news!

 

[The Vermonster]

Hi Guys,

It's been a while. I was gifted some beans and figured while the BB and ECSD cuts were getting older I would get a jump start on the action. These range anywhere from 32-40 inches atm and have been on 12/12 for 7 days.

King Kong Kush (Tahoe OG /Depp Chunk X Critical Mass)

LA Confidential Cross (Guy who gifted can come in elaborate...)

P-Phunk (Pre 98 Bubba X Blue Velvet X C99...)

I have enough to flower 1K atm but will have another batch coming soon in the Outkast BB and ECSD (thanks to a good buddy)...

Now that I'm in the midst of 12/12 i'll be posting more and more...

All is looking awesome guys!!!!

 

[Highlighter]

My town voted yesterday to rezone for dispensaries. The town didn't really want it, or to rule on it, knowing it had passed here by over 70% last yr., so they left it to the people. About 99% vote YES!

I hope someone answers Raho about the organics in coco.

Otto, you blow my mind the way you switch stuff up!
As soon as I finally buy a bottle of SeaGreen, you're all onto something else!
I'm going back to soiless for the Haze crosses I'm running, as I think it's more forgiving w/ the sativa leaners. Incorporating my vermicompost into it, everything seems to like it.

 

[Ottoman]

Verm, things are looking nice and green your way, its like you never left the garden.

HL, don't stress the sea green is still part of the program and not going anywhere.....yet. The tea brew it just the icing on the cake over here, plan on doing it once a week with the new round of plants until week 5-6 of flowering to try something new. Like CDM I also used the root and foliar pack of the OGbiowar, along with some free samples of bennies from the same company who makes seagreen, EWC, molasses, and some earth recharge.

 

[The Baphomet]

Otto , Iv been brewing up ogbiowar teas for a few monthes now and im happy with the results . I also still use seagreen in flower as well . In veg I hit them with the tea once a week and also give them a weekly spray with the foliar pak . So far im liking the results gnats are completly gone in my veg and my roots are very happy ..

 

[Slip Kid]

Teas can do wonders in coco I'd imagine. I have lots of experience using bio teas in vermiculite/perlite mixes. At the time I had, Peruvian seabird guano, 10% or more of the mix worm castings and those two they've been making since I was a kid, Budswel and Super Tea. I havn't done it in coco though but our foliage was always deep green, like coco when the ph is exactly right for what you are doing. I like 5.877777, 5.75 or 5.95 are no good for me. I think ph meters should give us a wider range.
When I was younger I was more of an organic guy. I used to have such great grows with the Wiggle Worm brand castings. I had nobody to ask except my inbred boss so I made mixes with coarse vermiculite and soil. I was doing pretty well then, at least I was having fun being Mr Organic.

 

[rasputin]

Teas are the bees knees. They are like a swiss army knife, different mixes and brew times can create different teas so there is a lot of flexibility with them. Otto try a seed sprout tea sometime, the plants love that stuff. 1/4 cup of barley seed, sprout (rinse once) and add to a gallon of water for 3-4 days until cloudy, strain and mix 2 cups of tea to 14 cups water for 1 gallon of enzyme tea.

Raho, organics in coco isn't any different than it is in peat, or doesn't have to be treated any differently at least. I've fed coco with teas and amended with dry ferts and it worked well on both accounts. I actually prefer vegging in coco and feeding with teas, the growth rate is better than peat and cuts down on my soil needs. The rub is that peat is better than coco if you're going to amend with dry ferts and water-only. It has a higher CEC and can hold more nutes and doesn't have the issue like coco of competing with the plant for nutrients. If you're going to hand feed then it's a different story, coco hands down. I like flowering in a soil mix that has some coco but still haven't bothered to try 100% coco.

 

[Raho]

Thanks Rasputin,
I'm out of my comfort zone with anything organic.

I have always done hydro, even as a kid. My first grow as a teenager in 81, I grew outdoors in 5 gallon buckets using Ecogrow and Ecobloom hydro nutes ordered from the Indoor Sun in WA.
My medium was perl/verm/peat moss/"black cow" manure/lime.

Always figured hydro nutes with a sterile res vs. a living soil environment would be mutually exclusive.
That's why I haven't tried any of the Myco type products out there. Figured the GH 3 part would just kill it and wash it out of the pots.

 

[lloyd_christmas]

Ordered some ogbiowar, time for a tea party! Can I just use carboload instead of molasses? Does it matter?

Also going to try some homestyle seagreen starting with either today or tomorrow's feeding. Yukka + fish hydrosilicate + a spreader. Curious to see if the lesbian bikers are right and it's as good as the store bought version... They always been on point in the past... Also I been using ecozyme with the facilitor and I think it stomps all over hygrozyme. Tinkering with my regimen here and there.

 

[rasputin]

Raho, I hear ya. I'm like you but in reverse, organics is my comfort zone. I haven't messed with bottled nutes much. GH 3 part might be too salty for the microbes to stick around which might render the myco moot. I was talking specifically to using organic nutes in coco rather than a mix/match. A hybrid program could work but I think salt levels would be crucial to figuring out which stuff combines well without going over the line.

Lloyd, you mean fish hydrolysate? If so, that shit is the balls. I've been using Organic Gem for a while and can't say enough good things about it. Particularly good at brewing fungal dominant teas. If you use yucca you don't need a spreader. Yucca is a surfactant and emulsifier so it works great for foliars or medium drenches. Good stuff.

Carboload is blackstrap molasses in an AN bottle 10x the price. So it matters for price but they're both the same shit. Get a 32oz bottle of Plantation Unsulphured blackstrap molasses for 6 bucks at the grocery store.

I've got a bottle of sea green and based on the little info available on the stuff I think I'm being a little bit redundant using it in addition to my usual routine but there's a large part of seagreen's make-up that the makers won't really explain which is kind of a wrench to the plans of reverse engineering it. Makes ya wonder what it is. For that reason alone I'm kind of intrigued by the stuff, I think it's a light chelated nute solution with enzymes along with beneficial bacteria ala Cap's bennies. Just a hunch.

 

[lloyd_christmas]

My bad did mean fish hydrolisate and forgot humate. I'm stoned and dumb.

Word wasn't sure if the molasses was better for making teas. I wouldn't say they are the same thing, flush with that blackstrap for that good ol crackle and snap!! Heh maybe not quite that bad but def not good stuff for late sugars imo, big diff in quality in final burn. But for teas...

 

[rasputin]

Brewing up fish hydrolysate and humate tea? Sounds like you're turning into an organic terrorist.

I'm being a little bit facetious saying they're the same thing. They aren't. Molasses is made from sugar beets. CarboLoad is made from corn syrup. Corn syrup is junk, ass water. Molasses is chelated micro nutes and trace minerals and sugars. Both serve the same goal; feed the microbes. Just trying to save ya some coin, Carboload is overpriced and not as effective, basically.

I've used ewc/molasses the last two weeks and didn't get any crackle or snap. It's the magician, not the wand. I think the crackle comes from over-fertilizing or messing up the drying/cure more than anything. Compost tea the last week or two helps feed the microbes which are munching on any available organic matter to feed the plant. It's a different concept than flushing. Flushing is a hydro thing where ionic nutes are used in soilless medium. In soil you'd have to run 50 gallons through a 3 gal pot to leach all the nutes out and even then some would still stick around.

 

[lloyd_christmas]

LOL cmon man you know what I'm gonna say here I've experienced much better results over the years using carboload. Maybe we are coming from 2 different schools of growing (we both know we are) but in the home stretch of flower adding any nutes is not my goal. I suppose carboload and that botanicare sweet are the same thing just because they both have carbs/sugars as well? One has ppms through the roof, the other doesn't

But back to teas...

 

[rasputin]

I hear ya but I can't imagine you've used blackstrap molasses throughout an entire run and had significantly different results considering what they're both made of and what they do for the plants. Have you used molasses for a straight run ala CarboLoad or just carboload? It isn't like CarboLoad is some magical elixir that only AN has figured out how to produce. Your past experience isn't because of carboload, it's because you're a good grower and any number of things could just as well provide what carboload provides.

Botanicare sweet is magnesium sulfate. Epsom salts. It's the same deal as CarboLoad in that you're paying for something at a premium because it's marketed to weed growers when there's an approved equal available elsewhere for less money that does the same shit. They're very different products, though. Sweet is a soluble mag and sulfur source. CarboLoad is just sugar. Thus the ppm levels you've noticed.

 

[rasputin]

Hater in the house. Surprise surprise.

Instead of 'not helpful', why not pipe up and say why that's so?

 

[lloyd_christmas]

Damn dude why the helpful rating?! I want that 0 of 2! Tears taste wonderful!! Prob assumes that we haven't been bullshitting like this for years.

I did use blackstrap for a round when I was in maine. Saying it made my smoke go all rice crispies is definitely an overstatement, but what I've grown with the carboload burned better in joints I noticed. Whiter and cleaner ash. Remember our approach to growing and feeding plants couldn't possibly be more different, I'm sure that's a factor that comes into play with how what we use works. I'm no master grower but I just stick with what goes well in my garden, wallet rape or not.

 

[GEMiNi GENETiCS]

HATORADE.....Drink up!!!

Good discussion guys.... I love the organics....teas.....bennies.......et all

Chopped the lot yesterday in the cold a$$ rain.....blue bloods did well except one got hit hard by the cold and stalled out...hashing her

NL5xHaze.....needed another week but a few buds were starting to mold up to I took what I wanted and left the rest for the swamp I still want to give her a go next season still as she took longer to flower due to a mid August planting....I thinking if she runs full term and I can keep her super healthy I won't need to worry about pm or mold on her.... ill test 2 of her....one in the swamp again...and one at a slightly more dry location.

 

[DZLHIT]

Good discussion in here, and go Portland!

These are far from perfect, my garden isn't getting the attention it was previously but it will again soon! The soil was far too weak for these hazes, I can't wait to see what they do in the next run; Ras gave me some great tips to update my soil mix and tea routine.

This is the one gallon, hopefully finishing up soon. I lost track of how long, but easily 10+ weeks right now.

Hope ya'll don't mind the photo bomb, rather share with you guys than in my own thread!

 

[Highlighter]

Three pics ain't bombing, nice work! Love seeing that LED working so well. You should really put a link in your sig to your grow-show.
Really enjoyed the "tea talk" as well. I just got these sample pacs from Supreme Growers, 'Myco Blast, Soil Blast, Kelp Blast, and Sweet Myco Tea', gonna give them a go w/ my hazes.

 

[GEMiNi GENETiCS]

Nice looking Hazes you got there.... Ras is the man! Definitely knows his organics and won't steer ya wrong.... I bounce ideas off him all the time lol....he's too nice to tell me to STFU

Sounds good HL.... ewc and kelp plus some Epsom salt ...... silica..... good to go! I'll be brewing swamp teas...... the water is full of life.... fresh spring fed pond adjoining my swampy location

Went racing at F1.... beat all the guys I work w lol