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Marsh Madness II
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Tirs
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Thanks all for stopping by! I went to my plot today and took out my camera only to realize the battery was dead. Ill try and get some pics up cause its starting to look real pretty out there 
Chopped down 2 more males today, all others are confirmed females, leaves me at 20 plants but theres two runts in there. Also this last week of rain and humidity made my AK97 develop some budrot that had to be ripped out.
Blackone- I'm at 41N so I'm quite a bit south of you but I still think you could pull it off, marshes are a great spot to grow in.
Elephunk- That made my day man, more progress towards Operation Overgrow!
Chopped down 2 more males today, all others are confirmed females, leaves me at 20 plants but theres two runts in there. Also this last week of rain and humidity made my AK97 develop some budrot that had to be ripped out.
Blackone- I'm at 41N so I'm quite a bit south of you but I still think you could pull it off, marshes are a great spot to grow in.
Elephunk- That made my day man, more progress towards Operation Overgrow!
Tirs
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No our plant doesn't enjoy that for extended periods but the marshes don't have consistent sitting water, in fact there usually isn't sitting water though the ground stays very 'mucky'. An above ground container with good drainage is fine in these conditions. In fact I have found that the high water level so throughly soaks the media better than rain could ever do that it is a good thing from time to time.
you worked hard this year and the babes are paying you back. you deserve it. .. nice work with the "mucky" environment... very interesting.
So it's ok if the plants are sending it's roots down into the constantly waterlogged muck as long as they have enough oxygen-rich soil above it?
I've considered putting some sticks in the ground in a circular shape and weaving straw etc. to create a sort of basket, then filling it with soil - bottom part would be low budget, just forest mulch collected locally mixed with rocks for drainage, while the top part would be a soil mix. That would probably result in excellent drainage - downside of course is that it's a lot of work but in inaccessible locations it might be worth it because one could grow 2-400 gram plants without anyone noticing.
I've considered putting some sticks in the ground in a circular shape and weaving straw etc. to create a sort of basket, then filling it with soil - bottom part would be low budget, just forest mulch collected locally mixed with rocks for drainage, while the top part would be a soil mix. That would probably result in excellent drainage - downside of course is that it's a lot of work but in inaccessible locations it might be worth it because one could grow 2-400 gram plants without anyone noticing.
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Tirs
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hey wamen good to hear from you, been following your thread this year though I haven't posted that much. thanks for the kind words.
blackone- yes that method allows your plants to tap large water reserves. This method has been documented to work before and this year there are people growing this way. Search "swamp tubes" for some ideas, keep us updated on your plans.
blackone- yes that method allows your plants to tap large water reserves. This method has been documented to work before and this year there are people growing this way. Search "swamp tubes" for some ideas, keep us updated on your plans.
even more questions...
even more questions...
You listed the following ingredients as comprising the soil mix you used to fill your grow bags:
6, 3.8 cubic foot bales of peat moss
12 cubic feet of perlite
120lbs of Dolomite lime
90lbs of wormpoop
30lbs of Espoma Plant-tone
10lbs of guano
10lbs of water polymers
Did you use all the above, or was some of the above set aside for use in your "flowering mix?"
Have you thought of any improvements for next year?
Any idea of what each grow bag might yield?
Finally, after thinking about it, it seems that the grow bags are the most suitable containers for marsh growing - at least in terms of portability. Have you had and problems with containers tipping over? I am torn between using the bags and twenty gallon nursery containers with the bottoms cut out and driven six inches into the ground... Will probably try both. My friend and I were doing killer in the swamp until the beavers started flooding out areas, and harvesting our plants for us. I guess they are hip to hemp as a building material... LOL! In any case, the experience gained this year will be invaluable for making next year a success!
phrank
PS I hope that you realize that all my questions and comments are posed out of massive respect for your efforts!
even more questions...
You listed the following ingredients as comprising the soil mix you used to fill your grow bags:
6, 3.8 cubic foot bales of peat moss
12 cubic feet of perlite
120lbs of Dolomite lime
90lbs of wormpoop
30lbs of Espoma Plant-tone
10lbs of guano
10lbs of water polymers
Did you use all the above, or was some of the above set aside for use in your "flowering mix?"
Have you thought of any improvements for next year?
Any idea of what each grow bag might yield?
Finally, after thinking about it, it seems that the grow bags are the most suitable containers for marsh growing - at least in terms of portability. Have you had and problems with containers tipping over? I am torn between using the bags and twenty gallon nursery containers with the bottoms cut out and driven six inches into the ground... Will probably try both. My friend and I were doing killer in the swamp until the beavers started flooding out areas, and harvesting our plants for us. I guess they are hip to hemp as a building material... LOL! In any case, the experience gained this year will be invaluable for making next year a success!
phrank
PS I hope that you realize that all my questions and comments are posed out of massive respect for your efforts!
Tirs
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phrank no problem bro I hope some of this is helpful for you.
thats what I filled my gro bags up with at the beginning of the season. For flowering I mixed 15lbs of flower-tone and 6lbs of indonesian guano with 90lbs of worm castings and topdressed.
The two changes I am considering next season are first of all spacing the plants further apart, they grew much bigger than I thought they would this year. The other is replacing the gro-bags with rubbermaids for durability, damn rats keep tearing into a few bags leaving big holes. To be fair though the bags are working really well and were damn easy to carry in. I also had 3 tip over but that was one time in a big storm otherwise they are very stable.
Sucks to hear about the beavers. Last season I had deer problems this year its the rats, these animals are total stoners. I bet you can make it work though, you've had the swamp experience now haha, took me a season to get it right too.
As for yield, I really have no idea I'll be happy with a qwop per plant and right now it seems I should hit that easy. Anyone want to venture some guesses?
thats what I filled my gro bags up with at the beginning of the season. For flowering I mixed 15lbs of flower-tone and 6lbs of indonesian guano with 90lbs of worm castings and topdressed.
The two changes I am considering next season are first of all spacing the plants further apart, they grew much bigger than I thought they would this year. The other is replacing the gro-bags with rubbermaids for durability, damn rats keep tearing into a few bags leaving big holes. To be fair though the bags are working really well and were damn easy to carry in. I also had 3 tip over but that was one time in a big storm otherwise they are very stable.
Sucks to hear about the beavers. Last season I had deer problems this year its the rats, these animals are total stoners. I bet you can make it work though, you've had the swamp experience now haha, took me a season to get it right too.
As for yield, I really have no idea I'll be happy with a qwop per plant and right now it seems I should hit that easy. Anyone want to venture some guesses?
looking good...
looking good...
About the soil mixes: I thought that was right, just wanted to make sure.
About containers: You might consider a greenhouse supply company too. For example, I found 20 and 25 gallon heavy black plastic containers relatively cheap. Just an idea, and I'm sure the Rubbermaids are cheaper. I also know as a fact that the 18 gallon Rubbermaids can grow big plants - check out the single pic in my gallery if you get a chance.
About yield: They look like considerably more than a qwop per plant. You have raised some really huge swamp beasts! I think the key will be whether or not they get ripe...
About mold: There is another swamp grower here who claims that a solution of aspirin and water eliminates mold. I will search around and get the details to report here. Maybe I can can get said grower to add his thoughts to your fine thread.
About the critters: At first I thought is was two legged bastards who were making the plants disappear. On the other hand, I couldn't figure out why they'd take the plants when they had no real flowers on them. Even more puzzling was the fact that they'd take one plant in a plot, and not the others... My buddy put two and two together and came up with the idea that it was probably the beavers who have built all the friggin' damns that have slowly raised the water level to disastrous levels. I wasn't so sure, until I compared the "cut marks" on the plant stalks with some of the marks on some branches on a nearby beaver damn that we decided to dismantle.
About education: Yeah, there sure is no substitute for experience - lol!
phrank
looking good...
About the soil mixes: I thought that was right, just wanted to make sure.
About containers: You might consider a greenhouse supply company too. For example, I found 20 and 25 gallon heavy black plastic containers relatively cheap. Just an idea, and I'm sure the Rubbermaids are cheaper. I also know as a fact that the 18 gallon Rubbermaids can grow big plants - check out the single pic in my gallery if you get a chance.
About yield: They look like considerably more than a qwop per plant. You have raised some really huge swamp beasts! I think the key will be whether or not they get ripe...
About mold: There is another swamp grower here who claims that a solution of aspirin and water eliminates mold. I will search around and get the details to report here. Maybe I can can get said grower to add his thoughts to your fine thread.
About the critters: At first I thought is was two legged bastards who were making the plants disappear. On the other hand, I couldn't figure out why they'd take the plants when they had no real flowers on them. Even more puzzling was the fact that they'd take one plant in a plot, and not the others... My buddy put two and two together and came up with the idea that it was probably the beavers who have built all the friggin' damns that have slowly raised the water level to disastrous levels. I wasn't so sure, until I compared the "cut marks" on the plant stalks with some of the marks on some branches on a nearby beaver damn that we decided to dismantle.
About education: Yeah, there sure is no substitute for experience - lol!
phrank
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Tirs
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Wow nice going, that plant in your gallery is all bud!
I wish I could find a greenhouse near me selling containers so far its been cheaper just to wait for Home Depot to put their rubbermaids on sale.
As far as I know the idea behind aspirin is the main ingredient, acetylsalicylic acid is a compound found within plants that indicate stress and time to turn on defenses. The problem with this though in cannabis is as we all know stress can = hermies. I really sprayed down my buds in serenade and I will continue to use sm90 so we will see how that goes, I had no mold last year, I don't think I'll be seeing another week of rain this year.
Any idea for your animal problems yet? I am using liquid fence and its worked great for the deer but hasn't phased the rats at all probably doesn't work too well for beavers either... I've heard of beavers causing serious flooding onto peoples properties even, they must be a real pain in the ass to deal with.
I wish I could find a greenhouse near me selling containers so far its been cheaper just to wait for Home Depot to put their rubbermaids on sale.
As far as I know the idea behind aspirin is the main ingredient, acetylsalicylic acid is a compound found within plants that indicate stress and time to turn on defenses. The problem with this though in cannabis is as we all know stress can = hermies. I really sprayed down my buds in serenade and I will continue to use sm90 so we will see how that goes, I had no mold last year, I don't think I'll be seeing another week of rain this year.
Any idea for your animal problems yet? I am using liquid fence and its worked great for the deer but hasn't phased the rats at all probably doesn't work too well for beavers either... I've heard of beavers causing serious flooding onto peoples properties even, they must be a real pain in the ass to deal with.
Very impressive TIRS! Some really huge, healthy beasts youve got there...Nothing like a huge outdoor grow to get the heart pumping...lol...i know youll be happy with the results, looks like theyre well on their way...
as far as critters go, for larger animals, deer for example 30 lb fishing line pulled tight at 18 inches and 2.5 ft works well....moth balls thrown outside your garden and cheap cologne sprayed on nearby trees seem to help keep deer and small critters away as well...i call it the one, two punch
keep the pics and posts coming, cant wait to see how they turn out for ya!
as far as critters go, for larger animals, deer for example 30 lb fishing line pulled tight at 18 inches and 2.5 ft works well....moth balls thrown outside your garden and cheap cologne sprayed on nearby trees seem to help keep deer and small critters away as well...i call it the one, two punch
keep the pics and posts coming, cant wait to see how they turn out for ya!
Tirs
Member
Thanks Luna, I am so impressed by how early your ak97s are, wonderful plants. I have a sample of one taken from that small branch with the worms I can try as soon as it dries. The other ak97 has the greatest smell, so sweet, like overripe fruit, I love it. I'll give the mothballs a try.
BlayzieDave
Member
looks good man i just found this Thread =] imma keep watchin.
oaktree
Member
Looking real good Tirs! been a while since i last peeked in on this thread. The buds look like they're swelling up nicely, your plants look like they're on a nice pace. Lots of frost on those bud shots, looking real nice. How big are they now, those reeds look huge, nice cover for the crop. Great spot, great grow. looking forward to seeing them finish up.
Peace
Peace
Tirs said:
Acetylsalicylic acid doesn't indicate stress, it _is_ the plant's reaction to pathogens (which is different), for example, light stress, or extreme heat/dryness won't cause salicylic acid production...
I've never heard of mold, or insects causing hermies, but I'm no cervantes
That said, if you think mold won't be an issue, there's no point in getting the plant hyped up to fight it, as it is tough on the plant, it will concentrate resources on fighting pathogens instead of growth.
