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ya know what? this has been a really good informative and helpful thread. I've enjoyed the heck out of it. some one ought to sticky it and make it a tutorial how to thread
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Makeshift Mini Garden Seeks Advice
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Whats in your bucket?
Whats in your bucket?
Here are the nutes I'm using. The mix I'm using:
1tsp=5ml=5cc, 1tsp=15ml=15cc, 1oz=30ml=30cc, 1gal=3.785L=3785ml=3785cc.
I know most know that, but what the hell.
EJ Grow 2-1-1: My main fert, Floralicious Grow 0-0-0: Metabolic enhancer for root & leaf mass, aroma & flavor(well thats what they say), GH Diamond nectar 0.001% humic acids: Premium Grade fulvic acids to improve uptake & utilization of trace minerals, EJ Microblast 0-0-0: micros Mg, B, Ca, Fe, Mn, Mo & Zn in a balanced formula, Botanicare CAL-MAG 2-0-0: Ca 3.2-Mg 1.2-Fe-0.1, GH Chi Foliar Spray 0.2-0-0.2: chitosan salts for yield & enviromental stress resistance, meant more for a hydro grow w/PH of 5.5. I only use a very dilute of this every other week. I may stop though, I dont like the residue it leaves.
Right now I'm using in a Gal. of water:
EJ Grow=15ml, GH Floralicious=5ml, GH DN=35ml, EJ micro=5ml(every 2weeks),
Bot CAL-MAG=5ml.
I analyze the soil weekly and NPK are in high surplus, so I adjust as needed. PH=6.3 solid everytime from bottom water with 7.0 filtered water going in the top.
Growdoc I made a foliar dilute like you suggested: (per gal H2O) Cal-Mag=2ml, Micro=2ml, GH DN=15ml(GH suggests 50ml as a foliar spray). All the plants are back to uniform color today. Wow! that was quick.
I won't go crazy, I do understand more is not always better.
Thats about it, let me know what you think. GMT I don't mind being called an idiot if it helps me aquire knowledge, so I don't take anything you say as flaming. I did something dumb and you told my in a humerus(wait thats a bone in your arm, aka funnybone) that is humorous way. I am always all about the humor.
Whats in your bucket?
Here are the nutes I'm using. The mix I'm using:
1tsp=5ml=5cc, 1tsp=15ml=15cc, 1oz=30ml=30cc, 1gal=3.785L=3785ml=3785cc.
I know most know that, but what the hell.
EJ Grow 2-1-1: My main fert, Floralicious Grow 0-0-0: Metabolic enhancer for root & leaf mass, aroma & flavor(well thats what they say), GH Diamond nectar 0.001% humic acids: Premium Grade fulvic acids to improve uptake & utilization of trace minerals, EJ Microblast 0-0-0: micros Mg, B, Ca, Fe, Mn, Mo & Zn in a balanced formula, Botanicare CAL-MAG 2-0-0: Ca 3.2-Mg 1.2-Fe-0.1, GH Chi Foliar Spray 0.2-0-0.2: chitosan salts for yield & enviromental stress resistance, meant more for a hydro grow w/PH of 5.5. I only use a very dilute of this every other week. I may stop though, I dont like the residue it leaves.
Right now I'm using in a Gal. of water:
EJ Grow=15ml, GH Floralicious=5ml, GH DN=35ml, EJ micro=5ml(every 2weeks),
Bot CAL-MAG=5ml.
I analyze the soil weekly and NPK are in high surplus, so I adjust as needed. PH=6.3 solid everytime from bottom water with 7.0 filtered water going in the top.
Growdoc I made a foliar dilute like you suggested: (per gal H2O) Cal-Mag=2ml, Micro=2ml, GH DN=15ml(GH suggests 50ml as a foliar spray). All the plants are back to uniform color today. Wow! that was quick.
I won't go crazy, I do understand more is not always better.
Thats about it, let me know what you think. GMT I don't mind being called an idiot if it helps me aquire knowledge, so I don't take anything you say as flaming. I did something dumb and you told my in a humerus(wait thats a bone in your arm, aka funnybone) that is humorous way. I am always all about the humor.
Thanks stank glad you stopped by....some times newbs get ignored around here..but sometimes not...Growdoc and GMT have been helping me out alot and I appreciate their time. This was going to be my grow BLOG, but wanted to share some info too...Peace outstankbud said:
Growdoc I made a foliar dilute like you suggested: (per gal H2O) Cal-Mag=2ml, Micro=2ml, GH DN=15ml(GH suggests 50ml as a foliar spray). All the plants are back to uniform color today. Wow! that was quick.
I won't go crazy, I do understand more is not always better.
Glad to her it man,
always happy to help...
I won't go crazy, I do understand more is not always better.
Glad to her it man,
always happy to help...
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xxbluevelvetxx said:
Mmmm, well, actually I would prefer if growers used Pro-Mix or another non fertilized soil and learn how to feed their plants themselves. I learned how to use pre-ferted potting soils because of their satuation of the US market. I wrote the thread because so many others are also forced to use it. I wrote it also to simply acknowledge it's existence in our grow rooms and try to figure out how to use it properly.
Otherwise, great advice blue!
Packn' you crack me up mate,
Listen, take it for what it's worth, but I still say taking those fan leaves off was a bad idea, although I suppose they went to a good cause. That undergrowth will now go wild, the exposed leaves will now start to grow larger than they otherwise would have and the stretch between leaves will not be anywhere as long. Great a job well done you may think, but and I guess this is a personal thing, The stretch is desirable. You see once they go into budding mode, the whole plant will stretch, leaving a lot of energy having been spent on leaves that will no longer be getting any serious lighting. I would rather have virtually no budding sites lower down with more up top, and keeping your undergrowth covered by large fan leaves enables the plant to both gain sufficient light and air to fuel root growth and motive to stretch those arms out to a distance that they can be usefull.
But if you are going to scrogg them I would let them veg for a bit longer than you would otherwise and set a very low screen. You could just top them and let them go if a quicker smoke is the aim. Top now and cut back the lighting times. Just a thought.
Listen, take it for what it's worth, but I still say taking those fan leaves off was a bad idea, although I suppose they went to a good cause. That undergrowth will now go wild, the exposed leaves will now start to grow larger than they otherwise would have and the stretch between leaves will not be anywhere as long. Great a job well done you may think, but and I guess this is a personal thing, The stretch is desirable. You see once they go into budding mode, the whole plant will stretch, leaving a lot of energy having been spent on leaves that will no longer be getting any serious lighting. I would rather have virtually no budding sites lower down with more up top, and keeping your undergrowth covered by large fan leaves enables the plant to both gain sufficient light and air to fuel root growth and motive to stretch those arms out to a distance that they can be usefull.
But if you are going to scrogg them I would let them veg for a bit longer than you would otherwise and set a very low screen. You could just top them and let them go if a quicker smoke is the aim. Top now and cut back the lighting times. Just a thought.
Off with their heads
Off with their heads
Hey Caprichoso stopped by....no comments for me...but stopped by. I have total respect for Cap. He is the guru of plant manipulation. Growdoc, GMT, Sleepy always a pleasure.
Topped them last night before lights out. Took a few pics today(man I better start shrinking pix or I'm going to be out of space in no time). Adjusted white balance and edited a little in editor here and there. Well lets take a look at these dirt suckers:
....Auto WB.......................................Negative...kind of cool(click images)
Queen....fast shut w/flash...................incandesent WB w/flash...side shoots are catching up to the top(click images)
Runt..looks kinda sickly under HPS light..didn't get her leaves cut..but topped like the rest. You're right GMT growth is different less underbrush..just a couple of well defined branches.(click image)
Droopy with 6 heads right next to each other(click on this one to see heads)
Now what to do ScrOGy or maybe I'll just let them go. They are forming to be perfect for ScrOG. How much longer should I let them veg?
Thoughts anyone......hmmm
By the way I don't like this miracle-gro either. Lot of junk in the soil, sticks plastic, etc. I would do it differently now......got to go smoke a fan leaf..Later
Off with their heads
Hey Caprichoso stopped by....no comments for me...but stopped by. I have total respect for Cap. He is the guru of plant manipulation. Growdoc, GMT, Sleepy always a pleasure.
Topped them last night before lights out. Took a few pics today(man I better start shrinking pix or I'm going to be out of space in no time). Adjusted white balance and edited a little in editor here and there. Well lets take a look at these dirt suckers:
....Auto WB.......................................Negative...kind of cool(click images)
Queen....fast shut w/flash...................incandesent WB w/flash...side shoots are catching up to the top(click images)
Runt..looks kinda sickly under HPS light..didn't get her leaves cut..but topped like the rest. You're right GMT growth is different less underbrush..just a couple of well defined branches.(click image)
Droopy with 6 heads right next to each other(click on this one to see heads)
Now what to do ScrOGy or maybe I'll just let them go. They are forming to be perfect for ScrOG. How much longer should I let them veg?
Thoughts anyone......hmmm
By the way I don't like this miracle-gro either. Lot of junk in the soil, sticks plastic, etc. I would do it differently now......got to go smoke a fan leaf..Later
GMT was dead nuts on
GMT was dead nuts on
GMT you do not speak with forked tongue. Everything you described is absolutely occuring now. I looked at stepchild and I guess I didn't trim anything but her first 3 blade leaves. So Runt and Step are growing long stems with little side growth trying to stretch pass the fan leaves. Queen and Droopy have growth comming out of every node and there isn't much room between nodes. If I had just left Queen alone she would be kickin ass. Droopy is going to be interesting like I said 6 tips all the same height almost in the same place, dead center. I think I'm going to just let them grow freely and veg a couple more days. Starting 4/21/05(English 21APR05). I will begin flowering. This will accomplish a couple of things, I am leaving Thurs out of town till Sun night and won't be able to tend to them. With the lights off much longer soil won't dry out to much. I moved the lamp height today for more even coverage, I want to see if the plants will stretch a bit more and even up their growth, especially in the tips. I may have some seeds on the way "with names" this time, mostly sativas I think. My buddy is helping me out...."I know you're reading this C please get that going...I'm going to call later anyway." Besides all the ladies want to show their pretty flowers, unless one of them is secrectly a transvestite....then it will be out of the closet for you buddy.
Thats my plan for now.
GMT was dead nuts on
GMT you do not speak with forked tongue. Everything you described is absolutely occuring now. I looked at stepchild and I guess I didn't trim anything but her first 3 blade leaves. So Runt and Step are growing long stems with little side growth trying to stretch pass the fan leaves. Queen and Droopy have growth comming out of every node and there isn't much room between nodes. If I had just left Queen alone she would be kickin ass. Droopy is going to be interesting like I said 6 tips all the same height almost in the same place, dead center. I think I'm going to just let them grow freely and veg a couple more days. Starting 4/21/05(English 21APR05). I will begin flowering. This will accomplish a couple of things, I am leaving Thurs out of town till Sun night and won't be able to tend to them. With the lights off much longer soil won't dry out to much. I moved the lamp height today for more even coverage, I want to see if the plants will stretch a bit more and even up their growth, especially in the tips. I may have some seeds on the way "with names" this time, mostly sativas I think. My buddy is helping me out...."I know you're reading this C please get that going...I'm going to call later anyway." Besides all the ladies want to show their pretty flowers, unless one of them is secrectly a transvestite....then it will be out of the closet for you buddy.
Thats my plan for now.
Well if ya want to even the top out, you could always just temporarily tie the tallest top down below the height of the other tops so that the lower tops become the top tops and grow at a faster rate than the old top top. Once the new top tops are taller, release the old top top and all tops should be equally tall.
Fortunately GMT the tops are already almost all the same height already. My question though was should the plants be sexually mature (first calyx preflowers) before I induce flowering and cut the light back?
It looks like it's beginning. I can only really see them through a handheld 60x-100x mini microscope, at this point they look like the tip of a cactus or cucumber. Two at the very top top of stepchild look more like an egg fat end down. In real size they are about the size of a needle tip. Maybe 0.125mm tall. you can barely see them with the naked eye. The egg ones 0.25mm. I could just start flower when I come back Sunday. Sorry no time for pix getting ready for trip. So what do you guys think about starting flower before preflower? Greg Green in "The Cannabis Grow Bible" says wait or it can cause hermies or abnormal bud growth. He says wait till after 1 week in preflower at least. Growdoc your 2 cents.
It looks like it's beginning. I can only really see them through a handheld 60x-100x mini microscope, at this point they look like the tip of a cactus or cucumber. Two at the very top top of stepchild look more like an egg fat end down. In real size they are about the size of a needle tip. Maybe 0.125mm tall. you can barely see them with the naked eye. The egg ones 0.25mm. I could just start flower when I come back Sunday. Sorry no time for pix getting ready for trip. So what do you guys think about starting flower before preflower? Greg Green in "The Cannabis Grow Bible" says wait or it can cause hermies or abnormal bud growth. He says wait till after 1 week in preflower at least. Growdoc your 2 cents.
Set the lights to 12/12, watered, went to Vegas, new pix on Sunday. They are growing like a weed.
From Babies to Little Girls
From Babies to Little Girls
I'm back from Vegas. My plants have really bushed. They're scroggin without a Screen. ScreenLess Of Green "SLOG."
Well lets take a look at these bushes:
A Wide View
Nice Bush Shots..........................................(Click On Images For Larger View)......................................................Queens Top End
The SLOG
What do you think. Went 12/12 Thurs 4/21/05. A couple of preflowers appearing. Still way to immature to sex. GMT I came back with more than I left with, but nothing life altering. Now it's wait time. Gonna go look at them with the pocket microscope. Later!
From Babies to Little Girls
I'm back from Vegas. My plants have really bushed. They're scroggin without a Screen. ScreenLess Of Green "SLOG."
Well lets take a look at these bushes:
A Wide View
Nice Bush Shots..........................................(Click On Images For Larger View)......................................................Queens Top End
The SLOG What do you think. Went 12/12 Thurs 4/21/05. A couple of preflowers appearing. Still way to immature to sex. GMT I came back with more than I left with, but nothing life altering. Now it's wait time. Gonna go look at them with the pocket microscope. Later!
packn2puff, what a great sight to see returning from vacation .. looks fab - SLOG - love it!!! -MGJ
.. looks fab - SLOG - love it!!! -MGJ
Now you could let em go all the way to the chop now, but you could also top again. Not so much the lowest branches but the main 2 on each plant could easily be taken. If your not sure which way to go, try it on just one plant and then the rest next time around.
On the preflower front, normally if ya see preflowers and no hairs, they are boys, but if they are you'll know this week.
PS. yeah SLOG, wish I'd coined that phrase first, lol, it sums up a grow I did a while back.
On the preflower front, normally if ya see preflowers and no hairs, they are boys, but if they are you'll know this week.
PS. yeah SLOG, wish I'd coined that phrase first, lol, it sums up a grow I did a while back.
Got Bloom!
Got Bloom!
Growdoc, GMT, Mr. Greenjeans thanx for stoppin by. Well I watered them last night and tested the soil. NPK very rich still. No more "grow" nutes from here on out. Switching to "bloom." Need to let Nitrogen come down a little. Queen curled a little after the watering, the others seem to love it by doing another big single day stretch. The runt is now taller than all the plants, with less underbrush. So I went to the growshop and got more stuff and toys. The pH test (chemical) on Queens bottom water seemed to be going acid. So I bought a pH meter. Did a soil sample pH test and EC test. pH 6.2 EC 1.3mS. so I think I'm going to just water and maybe pull the pH up a little with a tiny amount of pH UP. I tested some water with it and man it only takes a very little. my aim is to get the soil to stay at 6.5 pH. Here's the nutes:
............................................Nutes................................................................pH Meter and EC/TDS/Salt/Temp Meter......back of Hanna
American Agritech Original Pure Blend Metabolic Bloom Formula 5-5-10: Hydro-organic Tea blah, blah. Earth Juice Bloom Plant food 0-3-1: Bloom food. GH Floralicious Bloom 1-1-1: metabolic enhancer. GH Diamond Nectar: premium grade Fulvic/Humic acids. Horms Superthrive: vitamins-hormones for stress resistance. Just a wee bit every couple of weeks. Aggrene Liquid Bonemeal 0-12-0: for phosphorus boost/control. Thats it for now, maybe plant pics tomorrow.
Got Bloom!
Growdoc, GMT, Mr. Greenjeans thanx for stoppin by. Well I watered them last night and tested the soil. NPK very rich still. No more "grow" nutes from here on out. Switching to "bloom." Need to let Nitrogen come down a little. Queen curled a little after the watering, the others seem to love it by doing another big single day stretch. The runt is now taller than all the plants, with less underbrush. So I went to the growshop and got more stuff and toys. The pH test (chemical) on Queens bottom water seemed to be going acid. So I bought a pH meter. Did a soil sample pH test and EC test. pH 6.2 EC 1.3mS. so I think I'm going to just water and maybe pull the pH up a little with a tiny amount of pH UP. I tested some water with it and man it only takes a very little. my aim is to get the soil to stay at 6.5 pH. Here's the nutes:
............................................Nutes................................................................pH Meter and EC/TDS/Salt/Temp Meter......back of Hanna
American Agritech Original Pure Blend Metabolic Bloom Formula 5-5-10: Hydro-organic Tea blah, blah. Earth Juice Bloom Plant food 0-3-1: Bloom food. GH Floralicious Bloom 1-1-1: metabolic enhancer. GH Diamond Nectar: premium grade Fulvic/Humic acids. Horms Superthrive: vitamins-hormones for stress resistance. Just a wee bit every couple of weeks. Aggrene Liquid Bonemeal 0-12-0: for phosphorus boost/control. Thats it for now, maybe plant pics tomorrow.
