Makeshift Mini Garden Seeks Advice

[Growdoc]

Good info packn2puff...

Seeds have been found in Eygption tombs over many thousand years old and they germ...

Imagine the day a Professer comes to me and says: i found these cannabis seeds and they are over 1000 years old, can you germ them and find out if they work? (this would be the best day of my life)

 

[packn2puff]

Tales From The Crypt

Tales From The Crypt

Seeds have been found in Eygption tombs over many thousand years old and they germ...

Imagine the day a Professer comes to me and says: i found these cannabis seeds and they are over 1000 years old, can you germ them and find out if they work? (this would be the best day of my life)

But what would you call it, maybe "Sarcofigus Mummy Kush 795 AC" >-->(o^;}

Anyway I let the new light run all day to check long term temps with the door closed. Temp monitor stayed about 85F(29.5C) with an outside-the-door ambient of 74F(24C) 28% RH. What kind of numbers should I be shooting for?
I haven't done very much research into temp & RH effects yet, but these numbers seem reasonable to a natural growing season.
Damn have to get ready for work, 4:00 am here. You know I value your opinion Growdoc, you grow on a scale I have never seen before. By the way I saw on Blues thread you mentioned Alaska. In the mid 80's my friend Billy from Alaska first introduced me to Rockwool and showed me clone propagation in his indoor garden made using an old waterbed frame as a hydrobench. Res below, it was brilliant. Not that that has anything to do with anything, just that Alaska has produced some fine growers. Oh well all for now.

 

[Bigmone357]

Nice Show!

Nice Show!

U are truly an inspiration for people who think it's impossible to build a canabis garden in their own home we make a way out of determination .They come here and read your thread and then they have HOPE u are very DETERMINED, I like that in you packn2puff :wink: .That light "P.L Air cooled" is top notch they won an award for Grow Lamps good choice .Nice grow keep up the great work I wanna see how this turns out mystery strain ain't it a thrill! In the mean time u should send out an order for some BOG or Rez seeds ETC.. Later Mon' , Big357

 

[Growdoc]

Temps and humidity...

Temps and humidity...

For vegging you want about 50%+ humidity and 72-77F(20-25C)...

For flowering you want to stay under 50% humidity...

With these temps it will be hard for bugs to take hold, also plants should be fluttering in the wind not whipping...

KEEP GOING STRONG!!!

 

[Sleepy]

nice setup, you must be pretty handy to get that done in 2 days!!!

good luck with your grow!

the talent is dipensing advice :wink: use it! :friends:

 

[packn2puff]

Photograpghy

Photograpghy

Ok first of all I'm no photography expert and my camera is low tech compared to the stuff now $1000.00 US dollars in 98'. You can get a much better camera for $300 now. 3x optical zoom is all I have. Another 2.5 digital zoom. Don't use digital. No expert but I know some things which I will share so some you out there, you know who you are can maybe take some better pics of your beautiful plants. First many don't know what Mega Pixel means. Basically it is your resolution (pixel count) L x W. 2048p x 1536p=3,145,728p or about 3.2 MP. More pixels= better resolution(less blocky). I take pics in TIFF mode, That is Tag Image File Format. Tiffs are uncompressed data. JPG is compressed data. When I take a 3.2MP TIFF it is the best my camera can produce. Unfortunately it consumes about 9.2 MB of file space. On this web site you are allowed 100 MB total for you gallery. See the problem. So usually I resize it 800x600 then convert the TIFF to JPG. The 9.2MB pic file is now about 30 to 100 KB. More goes into the algorhythm so predicing size outcome isn't exact. Thats how to get high resolution pics to small file sizes. The next thing for a great pic is lighting. Typing is no fun here are some examples:


This is Queen the usual way I do it resize and convert. This pic is now 800 x 600 or 480KP or 0.48MP Preflash(Started the flash 2ms before the shutter opened) so not to overexpose and glare. At a Fast shutter speed 1/800th of a second F Stop 2.8. File=68KB (Click to see size)



The same pic at a full 3.2 MP shrunk down to 161KB file size. Really all this compression only shows up when you really zoom in on the pic. (Click to see size)


The same shot using ambient fluoro lighting at a very slow shutter speed F4.5 @ 1/1.6 of a sec. same location, angle, no drama (click)

To tell you the truth I hate flash, but I don't have better lighting to show true color and bad indoor lighting throws the color way off. I'm not the best photog here by far, just thought I would share a little. For those close up shots use macro mode. Some cameras like mine won't focus closer than 20cm, just zoom from there. I just use a simple photo editor like ACDsee Photo Canvas. Please don't flame the hell out of me for this just trying to bring some light to people that grow, but don't know some of the stuff their camera can do.

 

[packn2puff]

I now realize the web site is limiting my second pic to 800x600 so it can't be seen or downloaded at 2048 x 1536, sorry I didn't know.

 

[packn2puff]

It's all about the plants!

It's all about the plants!

Enough of that photog bull. Did you guys notice Queens fine undergrowth? It's not nice to look under her fan leaves, but come on thats what we all want to see. She's filling out nicely. The stalks are getting fatter everyday.
Got the numbers thanks Growdoc. Have to run the A/C to about 67F to get in the range, I'm freezin, but the dog likes it. RH comes up after watering. The plants are cozy, the back of my hand can barely feel any heat from that Supernova of a light at their level. That Glass and blower really do the trick. The 150 MH was hotter at that range.
Bigone357 cool comments, I don't want anyone to think I'm an idiot, just not real experenced . I grew from the cuff a little back in the early eighties. Some of those stories are on Gunny's Old Smokers thread. I have consumed about 26years worth 15-41. However much less the last few years. Good old Random test. I won't just lose my job, but my career with one bad pee. And have witnessed many a grow by friends, this little garden is my first very own. It's fun and I find myself driving home from work just a little faster, anxious to see how they did for the day. Man do I ramble or what.
Sleepy you really don't sleep. You are all over this place and I'm glad you stopped by here. Handy why yes I am. Resourceful to an extreme. I'm one of those guys that will turn just about anything into a pipe. My new book should be out soon "10,000 Uses For Aluminum Foil." Wrap several times around a fat pen, slide off, bend foil 1/2" from end 90 degrees, instant disposable pipe with screening action. Ah but you guys knew that one.

As always I have to ask a question Growdoc, you've seen my plant "Droopy" just wondering about her. She grows at the same speed as Queen, just that the leaves are a yellower green than the rest and of course they droop a little, any thoughts. All I've added to the water for all the plants is a little GH Diamond Nectar (Fulvic Acids) and GH Floralicious Grow 1tsp of each per gal. for root development and metobolic enhancement. I don't know if the plants are getting very much magnesium. I know you use worm castings high in MG an calcium. Miracle-gro has a small amount of Manganese, but no Mg. what do you think? Got to go to bed.

 

[packn2puff]

Just posting a little update. Plants are begining to take off now. Might have a small Mg deficiency. The only source I can find in my soil is in the perlite, which isn't much. NPK is balanced and the slight yellow is on the new growth only, with a slight up curl. So I'm going to introduce a little Mg and epsom salts. The girls seem to be ready for their Veg phase of life, stalks as big as a pencil. Need to find a good nute mix for them soon. Macros are high, so I have some time. Note to self, "Use worm castings next time." Maybe pics tomorrow. Got to finish taxes first.
I'm going to try to just use this thread for plant development postings, rather than sleep deprived ramblings from here on out.
Growdoc you got enough going on over there with that football-field-sized grow of yours, so I'll stop buggin you for with simple questions, but I might still call on you for some of the more important ones, if thats cool.
All for now.

 

[Growdoc]

Yes, you need to use a MG supplement... pick one that is organic frienldy.

You can give me questions when ever you like mate, i am here...( if urgent send me PM)

Never to late to add some worm castings to your soil...

As for droopy, try foiliar feeding at 10% normal strength...

 

[GMT]

First off, you honour me sir,
thanks for the input on my thread mate, it's always nice to know there's someone out there.
Since you appreciate photography, (you may have already come accross this ) check AbbyNormal's threads out, Thats about as good as it gets really.
I struggle with 2 megapixel cam, and cropping knocks that right down, I didnt know JPEG was auto compressed, live and learn.

 

[packn2puff]

3 Week Birthday

3 Week Birthday

Took some quick pix. It was lights out at the time. Might be a little out of focus,cause after a 40 dollar bottle of wine in a 2 cent plastic cup, photographer is having trouble focusing himself. Added Lightning 97 reflective material. Plants are 3 weeks from germ today.


Did I mention my other CO2 system, hide a snack bone behind pot and canine lays there breathing on plants. Dog walked right into shot (click)


Woke up Queen for a real quick pic, nice and bushy(click)

Added Mg and other stuff which I will re-post tommorrow. I had actually already typed out all the proportions Brands, etc and got the "blue screen of death" when I went to post. I had a question for you Growdoc and one for GMT as well, but it is going to have to wait till tomorrow.

 

[Growdoc]

Those are really comming around...

Good job mate...

 

[packn2puff]

Looking under the ladies skirts & Light Read

Looking under the ladies skirts & Light Read

Taxes are done, thank God. Got a chance to take some more pix. They got a little trim today. Just a little, the undergrowth was starting to get mangled behind a couple of big fan leaves. Node spliting is going on all over the plants with some good sized branching.
And on with the show.....


Queen.....Before trim....................After trim..(Click images)


Droopy.....Before trim....................After trim..(Click images)


Stepchild....trimmed...Didn't shoot before pic..(Click image)


Lightning 97..Reflective medium..(Click image) This stuff is great. Its tough, scrubbable 97% Reflective with minimal filtering & dispersion caused during refraction, and multiple angles of deflection.
Huh?
Reflection is not the most important factor for a grow situation. If it was lamp hood reflectors and walls would best be lined with mirrors. What happens to the light when it collides with an object. Filtering of light occurs when the object contains pigment. For example when white light(balanced spectral distribution) strikes a red object it appears red because all of the color in the spectrum is filtered(not reflected) except for the red. Color is always a perception of filtration. Just like a red party bulb is coated with red, only the red wavelengths make it through the filter so only red is perceived. If the color of the light is different(unbalanced spectral distribution) the perception will also change(it won't be the same color you perceived from the white light). This is why flat white paint is better on the walls, because it does not filter because all wavelengths of light can pass. A black wall would tend to filter all wavelenghths nothing is reflected. Why would a Hortilux bulb be good for growing? Lets see, leaves are green Hortilux HPS peak relative energy is at apx 570nm(green) followed by yellow then red. MH is good for veg because the darker greens to blue is dominate. Expanded Spectral MH like Cool Deluxe or Day may be lower in overall lumens, but better for photosynthisis. Any more blue to purple neglecting yellows and reds are not very good for growing(ie Mecury Vapor, old style street lights). Although green is mostly reflected from the leaves (green chlorophyll acts as a filter) and is not used in photosynthisis, the reflections and abundance of green to nearby plants promotes growth when the plants sense a nearby plant and grow to compete for light. Think buds vs fan leaves. HPS Spectrum is better for the flowers. It's all about the color.
Isn't this fun!
I won't really get into refraction and dispersion but here is a quick description. Light was argued to be a particle others said it was a wave. Well as it turns out light is both a particle and a wave (quantum physics). When a ray strikes an object at different angles and mediums strange things occur. Here's a Wikipedia definition:
Refraction in geometric optics is the change in direction of a wave due to a change in velocity. It happens when waves travel from a medium with a given refractive index to a medium with another. At the boundary between the media the wave changes direction; its wavelength increases or decreases but frequency remains constant. For example, a light ray will refract as it passes through glass; understanding of this concept led to the invention of the refracting telescope.
Refraction is also responsible for rainbows and for splitting up of white light into a rainbow-spectrum as it passes through a glass prism. Glass has a higher refractive index than air and the different frequencies of light travel at different speeds (dispersion), causing them to be refracted at different angles. The different frequencies correspond to different colours observed.
You want your well designed lamp's spectrum to get there not separated, so put away the mirrors and aluminum foil.
Now why flat paint instead of glossy? Reflective angles. If the light hits a very smooth object it will reflect in a very distinct concentrated relative angle, if it is rough it will be reflected in multiple directions covering more of an area like a grow room. This is what makes my PL lighting is so good. The reflector is the key and the reflector technology for a grow situation. It needs to reflect and distribute with minimal dispersion and filtration. If I had shot that pic and a mirror was on the walls. you wouldn't even see the light, because I am not facing the relative angle. This is how a CD, DVD works, laser either hits a mirror=land=1 or a rough=pit=0. A land and the laser is reflected back into itself at 90deg goes though a prism and is seen by a photo diode. A pit and laser light angles in different directions and is not seen by the diode. When you burn a CD, the new CD comes as all mirrors. A burning laser crinkles the mirror making it a pit. CD-R cannot be undone. CD-RW the pits can be smoothed back into a land.
Just wanted to add the CD stuff cause everyone here has a computer and well didn' ya wonder :friends:
When I said I was going to use this thread just show plant growth, I lied! I think this is all accurate, it has been a while since I studied optoelectronics.

Agree or disagree? I'm just putting together what I know and what I'm try to get better at, growing.
Thats all folks

 

[Growdoc]

Good read man...

 

[packn2puff]

Growdoc pointed out to me in a PM that the plants are lookin a little overwatered. he's right about that. I wanted to add some CAL-MAG & Micronutes ASAP the day after I watered them, so I added about a 1/4 gallon of water mix each and foilar spray dilute of Mg. I looked in on them this morning and they are looking perky, leaves are up and stretching. Droopy is even lookin a little better No more water till Wed before I leave for Vegas for a couple of days.

 

[GMT]

Cant help thinking your making a mistake removing fan leaves. The side shoots will now start putting out leaves of its own to compensate using up the energy that could be used gaining more growth points on the stem. If your trying to control hieght, lst her if your trying to increase yield top her, if you want to see how she grows, leaves her, but to take away her leaves doesnt make sense.
Sorry if toe stepping, just tryin to help out mate, not flamin.

 

[packn2puff]

Cant help thinking your making a mistake removing fan leaves. The side shoots will now start putting out leaves of its own to compensate using up the energy that could be used gaining more growth points on the stem. If your trying to control hieght, lst her if your trying to increase yield top her, if you want to see how she grows, leaves her, but to take away her leaves doesnt make sense.
Sorry if toe stepping, just tryin to help out mate, not flamin.

You are probably right, it was just that all the undergrowth was balling up and twisting and I just wanted to let it grow out away from the stem. I may have not thought it though, photosynthisis wise. It may have worked itself out if I had just let it grow. Live and learn, but I do appreciate the advice, that's what I want. On the bright side, the plants are all stretched out this morning and I didn't touch the runt.

 

[Growdoc]

Might as well top them and prepare for a SCROG...

Just my 2 cents...

 

[packn2puff]

More pix

More pix

Well I'm not completely ashamed of what I did. Here comes the real shame. I guy hasn't smoked anything in about 3 months......he has some plants 3 weeks into grow......now has some leaves....has a microwave......use to only have 8 seeds in a film container.....now has a little buzz....connect the dots. Look away I'm hideous...I have chlorophyll breath
I think I am going to SCROG Growdoc. The plants had seem to halt at 8"(20cm), even before the leaf incident, and the undergrowth was and is going crazy. It's tighter in there than an inmates ass at shower time! Now to build a screen. I have some ideas.
Took some more pix. Color is off, some with grow light, some with flash.


Crop....Grow light only overexposed.......With flash added


Stepchild.....GL only.........................Blue added in photo editor


Queen....with a little flash added

All for now