Luigi Mangione

[Cannavore]

Name a single major country on planet earth that has a successful 100% free market health care system

 

[Cannavore]

targeting ceo who kills people with the stroke of a pen bad. but children are legitimate targets in Gaza!

 

[Microbeman]

As moose eater was saying , there was a reason the health insurance companies signed off on the ACA with out any resistance. I believe he referred to it as a fat goverment tit.
Since the Affordable Care Act’s passage, the top five health insurers’ annual profits have jumped 230 percent, with much of that going to UnitedHealthcare.

America’s largest health insurers have raked in more than $371 billion in profits since the passage of the Affordable Care Act, according to financial data reviewed by The Lever. More than 40 percent of that net income went to UnitedHealth Group, whose annual profits have skyrocketed by nearly 400 percent as the company now reportedly denies nearly one in three medical claims from its policyholders.

Insurers garnered these profits as the average American families’ premiums have risen to nearly $26,000 a year. In all, since the Affordable Care Act (ACA) was passed in 2010, more than $9 trillion of revenue has flowed to the country’s largest health insurance companies, which include UnitedHealth Group; Cigna; Kaiser Permanente; Elevance Health, the parent company of Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield; and CVS Health, which acquired Aetna in 2018.

The financial data comes from the companies’ annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and other disclosure forms.

The revenue and profits substantially increased starting in 2014, when the ACA was fully implemented. The law included a mandate for Americans to buy insurance, as well as government subsidies for such insurance policies.

Hold The Powerful Accountable

Last week’s murder of Brian Thompson, chief executive officer of UnitedHealth Group’s insurance division UnitedHealthcare, has sparked an outpouring of anger towards health insurers. New Gallup polling data shows Americans’ view of health care quality has declined to a 24-year low. The same data showed that 62 percent of Americans believe “it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have healthcare coverage” — a decade high.

These five insurers control over half of the commercial market share of the U.S. health insurance industry. Their revenues and profits have increased as they have become larger, both because of mergers and because the Affordable Care Act’s subsidies have helped Americans buy private insurance.

 

[Gry]

Florida woman charged for threatening health insurance company: 'Delay, deny, depose'

Briana Boston, a 42-year-old woman from Lakeland, Florida, said she was denied a medical claim with Blue Cross Blue Shield before making the alleged threats.

abcnews.go.com

A Florida woman was arrested and charged this week after police say she ended a phone call with her health insurance provider with threats that mimicked wording associated with the suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter.

The incident occurred Tuesday when Briana Boston, a 42-year-old woman from Lakeland, was speaking with a representative from Blue Cross Blue Shield after she had been told that her medical claim was denied.

In an arrest affidavit obtained by ABC News, police said that near the end of the recorded conversation with the insurance provider, Boston can be heard saying, "Delay, deny, depose. You people are next."

Boston's apparent threats nearly echo the words that were engraved on the bullet shell casings that authorities recovered from the scene where UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was fatally shot earlier this month.

Those engraved words were "deny," "defend" and "depose."

Boston's words and the casings both hew closely to the title of a 2010 book: "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It."

The book was written by legal scholar and insurance expert Jay Feinman, a professor emeritus at Rutgers Law School in New Jersey. It explores abuses of auto and homeowners insurance to "avoid paying justified claims," according to its summary.

Luigi Mangione is a suspect in the killing, which has catapulted the nation's health care industry into the spotlight. Mangione faces second-degree murder and a slew of other charges in both Pennsylvania and New York.

When Lakeland Police confronted Boston about the perceived threats, she apologized and said that she "used those words because it's what is in the news right now," according to the arrest affidavit.


Boston told authorities she does not own any guns and is not a threat, but went on to say that health care companies "deserve karma" and that they are "evil," according to the document.

"Boston further stated the health care companies played games and deserved karma from the world because they are evil," police said in the affidavit.
ABC News has reached out to Blue Cross Blue Shield for comment.
Following the investigation, Boston was charged with threats to conduct a mass shooting or act of terrorism and booked at a jail in Polk County, according to police.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/deny-defend-depose-ceo-shooting-shell-casings/story?id=116530063

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Name a single major country on planet earth that has a successful 100% free market health care system

You continually conflate crony capitalist systems with free market voluntary exchange between willing parties. They are not the same thing.

Fact - You have more in common with crony capitalsm than I do. Both you and crony capitalists want to use government force / "rules" to get the things you want even if it violates the consent of otherwise peaceful people. I do not.

Fact - I prefer human interactions, both interpersonal and business don't sanctify acts of consent violations.
You do not.

Name any single country on planet earth that isn't run by thieves and parasites.

 

[Cannavore]

Which party is going to take on the sexual gratification of someone that is unwillingly not having sex ?

Which party is going to pay for you to go on a vacation if your business of selling stolen candy dries up?

Which party is going to buy Bernie Sanders his 4th house?

Which party is going to take on the debts and bills of a dying person who peacefully refused to go along with your plans for their life and they were assaulted for failure to obey by well meaning but offensive force approving people like you?

These are all good questions.

Maybe you could organize a voluntary charitable effort to fund the things you are deeply concerned about. Maybe those who feel the same way as you can contribute to it?

Who is stopping you from doing that? Get to it, show me how it's done.

So in other words the person just dies then, right? Because no profit seeking company would pay millions of dollars of treatment for a dying person. Just say it. You keep dancing around your hypotheticals.

 

[Cannavore]

You continually conflate crony capitalist systems with free market voluntary exchange between willing parties. They are not the same thing.

Fact - You have more in common with crony capitalsm than I do. Both you and crony capitalists want to use government force / "rules" to get the things you want even if it violates the consent of otherwise peaceful people. I do not.

Fact - I prefer human interactions, both interpersonal and business don't sanctify acts of consent violations.
You do not.

Name any single country on planet earth that isn't run by thieves and parasites.

So the free market doesn't exist then, right? Since every economy is crony. lol.

Cool man. This has been a very constructive conversation, you definitely don't come across as some unhinged libertarian lol.

 

[Cannavore]

If voting for single payer health care is gang rape to the people who didn't vote for it, & the free market doesn't exist because it's all "crony capitalist" - the conclusion is those people seeking care just die.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

So the free market doesn't exist then, right? Since every economy is crony. lol.

Cool man. This has been a very constructive conversation, you definitely don't come across as some unhinged libertarian lol.

Not quite.

An actual free market has been forced into the shadows because of people like you and crony capitalists. that set up barriers to entry into given markets.

I could know where to get some healthcare that is disallowed or illegal, but that's only because of people like you and crony capitalists that force your rules onto other people that aren't doing the same to you.

Cool man. I definitely wouldn't say you're a peaceful person, since you don't mind violating the consent of people who aren't violating yours.

You love guns and using them to make people obey you. Then you whine about wars. Silly you.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

So in other words the person just dies then, right? Because no profit seeking company would pay millions of dollars of treatment for a dying person. Just say it. You keep dancing around your hypotheticals.

One of the reasons healthcare costs so much is because of the barriers to entry which reduces the potential number of service providers. If you understood supply and demand it might help.

I could, but I'm not interested in given you an economics dissertation right now. I'm preparing food for a holiday meal for hungry old people now. Nobody is forcing me to do it either. I just want to.

Also, you never answered my comment about what if a peaceful but disinterested person is assaulted by your gang for not funding your force laden idea and that person suffers expensive injuries. What then?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

If voting for single payer health care is gang rape to the people who didn't vote for it, & the free market doesn't exist because it's all "crony capitalist" - the conclusion is those people seeking care just die.

No person has a right to force other disinterested peaceful people to do anything.

You have every right to try to persuade people to your well intentioned ideas, no right to use legal or illegal means to force them. Also stop whining about wars and reflect on your warlike disposition please.

I'll see you later. baking pies now.

 

[Cannavore]

no board or shareholders of a health insurance company will willingly accept a lower ROI by keeping prices lower than competitors lol. the goal is profit.

how do you think we ended up with only a few competitors to begin with? they bought and merged with everyone else. exactly what would happen if we hit the reset button and tried a fully free market approach.