Besides people being dumb, I can't figure out why the non-profits don't put the others out of business. Do people believe something non-profit is less quality?
Luigi Mangione
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Well he probably didn't but he may have woken up a sleeping revolt, a peaceful one, I hope. Americans should no longer stand for being treated like trash when it comes to medical care. It cannot be a business. It has to be a social service.
I know, right.
I worked for a company that had United Health years ago. It sucked. No doctors in my area would take it because they always got stiffed. Fuck United. People in the doctors office openly told me how bad United was. On the other side, I have a non profit now and it's great. I get first class service on every call and there is never any bullshit.
Back to Luigi,
If you are on the less fortunate side of the insurance game, for whatever reason, I can see where someone could view United (and others) as money grubbing vultures who are literally killing people for profits. So if you are in the hood, it's crime but if you are in business, it's business. Killing people and getting away with it. If you lost someone close, I could see someone wanting payback. Not advocating violence here, just looking at both sides.
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sure. just find it weird a liberal would go full zionist in the middle of a genocide. great timing bud.
I'd assert that he indeed did change things for the better. He put the criminal Wall St. profiteers on notice that they put on their pants on one leg at a time and bleed red just like everybody else, and that if a person or entity routinely fucks people over at the cost of their or their loved ones lives, to die in despair, hopelessness and misery (not to mention bankruptcy), that "Everyone is touchable". Everyone.
He awakened proper and appropriate fear in an industry that's based in greed and carnage and put them on notice that some are willing to take it to the streets and let them know that filing a brief or white paper might take too long for those with limited time or finances left. Making instant karma that much more appealing to those who have suffered and are suffering.
Kudos!
Don't fuck people over and a person won't have as much to worry about. Fuck people over, and the means by which some choose to settle the score is nearly completely out of your hands.
Premera Blue Cross of Alaska under the ACA, with their 'Cadillac insurance', the Alaska 1 Gold Plan, was receiving (in subsidies from the Gov and our cash payments), premiums totaling over $22,000/year solely for MY insurance last year, sending out erroneous statements re. deductibles, misstatements re. what is and isn't covered, revising benefits in their favor each year, and getting a lot of government and private money for doing so.
There's a good reason that Obama didn't push the single-payer issue, and a good reason the bigger insurers like Blue Cross signed off on the ACA, as did private non-profit clinics and hospitals. it was a fat government tit in the making.
And despite the law that requires healthcare insurers to make no more than 15% over actual cost of care, what that actually achieved was to, for the first time in my life, better align the insurers with the healthcare profession's increasing cost of care, because 15% of a $Trillion is a fuck-ton more money than 15% of a $billion, so the insurers profit more when the healthcare profession bills more.
"The best laid plans of mice and men."
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The belief that someone needs to come from among the poor (or sick and dying) in order to have a passion for the injustices suffered by the poor (or sick and dying), is perhaps one of the narrowest/shallowest and least thoughtful perspectives on humanity I've read thus far today. Truly.
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Eltitoguay
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I consider you a human being too: you, Cannavore, Ghandi, Franco, Hitler and Stalin, Mandela, Bin Laden... the murderer, the murdered, and all those who claim to have died due to political decisions of the murdered.
Captain Red Eye
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Murder is wrong. Shitty business practice resulting from crony capitalism policy is wrong. Did the second lead to the first? Was what happened actually murder or was it a justifiable act of defensive force?
It isn't yet proven who the killer was or what his/her motives were. It's possible. maybe even likely it was Luigi. Odd though, almost like he wanted to get caught. Why? Did Luigi act alone, is there something more going on?
Crony Capitalists policy, a government creation, being the norm rather than actual free markets is a big problem for consumers. When products or services are heavily regulated creating barriers to entry in a given market it usually leads to higher prices and fewer consumer choices. For instance, just look at historical cannabis prices.
The purpose of crony capitalist regulation is sold to an economic illiterate public as "protecting them". It doesn't, it protects the crony capitalist from competition and harms the consumers....which is apparently why the Ceo got shot. Radical "consumer protection" gone wild?
One would think economic neophytes on a pot forum crying for more government intervention would have learned about supply and demand by now and how it factors into pricing and can affect service levels positively by allowing consumer feedback to be unleashed.
Free markets, actual free markets, not crony capitalism give consumers more choices. More choices allow consumers to send feedback / market signals to suppliers to improve their practices or they could go out of business. That is a good thing.
Government policy isn't the cure, it's the root source of the problem. Blaming a still nonexistent free market for government created crony capitalist problems won't solve this.
It's important to make a distinction between profit made by fascist policy and profit honestly made by freeing suppliers and customers to interact in an actual free market. One is bad, the other is not.
Demanding government fix the problems it caused? Lol, sure, pour more gasoline on that fire, that'll help.
It isn't yet proven who the killer was or what his/her motives were. It's possible. maybe even likely it was Luigi. Odd though, almost like he wanted to get caught. Why? Did Luigi act alone, is there something more going on?
Crony Capitalists policy, a government creation, being the norm rather than actual free markets is a big problem for consumers. When products or services are heavily regulated creating barriers to entry in a given market it usually leads to higher prices and fewer consumer choices. For instance, just look at historical cannabis prices.
The purpose of crony capitalist regulation is sold to an economic illiterate public as "protecting them". It doesn't, it protects the crony capitalist from competition and harms the consumers....which is apparently why the Ceo got shot. Radical "consumer protection" gone wild?
One would think economic neophytes on a pot forum crying for more government intervention would have learned about supply and demand by now and how it factors into pricing and can affect service levels positively by allowing consumer feedback to be unleashed.
Free markets, actual free markets, not crony capitalism give consumers more choices. More choices allow consumers to send feedback / market signals to suppliers to improve their practices or they could go out of business. That is a good thing.
Government policy isn't the cure, it's the root source of the problem. Blaming a still nonexistent free market for government created crony capitalist problems won't solve this.
It's important to make a distinction between profit made by fascist policy and profit honestly made by freeing suppliers and customers to interact in an actual free market. One is bad, the other is not.
Demanding government fix the problems it caused? Lol, sure, pour more gasoline on that fire, that'll help.
Eltitoguay
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...an Apocryphal Gospel says that Jesus Christ mumbled looking at the sky, while they raised his cross...
(it's just a "literary joke like Augusto Monterroso that I couldn't avoid; no real intention to contradict your original phrase)
Eltitoguay
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Everything is just the opposite: when capitalism and the desire for profit break into Health to make it a business, they need there to be no universal public systems like the one I enjoy, to prosper (preventing them from being created, or attacking those that exist as a political lobby).
And this is a challenge to all the poor ignorant or interested liars, who maintain that Health is better if it is another free market business, instead of a Universal Right: Tell me how much money it would cost me in private health business models to have the same family coverage that I have now :
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This is the Public Health Service I am under.
Very improvable; but in the USA my father (who earns €1,000-month of retirement pensio) would have died from prostate cancer.
Here he has been previously treated with chemotherapy, operated twice, and then treated with the latest in radiotherapy. "Free", of course, including all trips in medicalized ambulances.
- National Transplant Organization achieved the highest rate of donors in the world in 2006.
- In 2020, the World Economic Forum gave Spain the title of the best healthcare in the world, and it was also the third country in terms of life expectancy. [ 43 ]
of the political Right and capitalism to destroy this model, to turn it into a business like in the USA.
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Back to basics. USA spends the most per capita in the world for medical. Unfortunately your state of health and life expectancy are very dependent on how much money you have. Even having money, it is still possible that could live your life in pain due to the poor oversight on doctors once they have a license. Add to the fact that capitalism gone wrong lets get in the middle weasels steal the money that should be going from you to your doctors.
Along with Luigi, I can see a growing "We're not going to take it" sentiment in the middle to far left anti authoritarian segment. Wait till they get a couple of years orange idiocracy for the movement to really blossom.
Along with Luigi, I can see a growing "We're not going to take it" sentiment in the middle to far left anti authoritarian segment. Wait till they get a couple of years orange idiocracy for the movement to really blossom.
Captain Red Eye
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I hope I haven't misunderstood your proposed solution. Are you saying you want to force people to provide a service to you at a price you and not market conditions determine?
I hope you're not another economic illiterate silly liberal loving to use government guns to deliver the things you want. That's already what CRONY CAPITALISTS and governments do. Why would you emulate the thing that has created the problem?
You should kick crony capitalism.
You should not kick actual free markets, they are not the same as crony capitalism. Assigning the problems of crony capitalism to actual free markets won't help. Free markets are purposefully disallowed by crony capitalists, they don't exist in insurance now.
Tell me how much money it would cost me in private health business models to have the same family coverage that I have now.
First please tell me why weed prices went down when supply went up, can you?
Please tell me the difference between how crony capitalism and actual free markers operate. can you?
Also what you pay, may not be the actual cost, if you are being forcibly subsidized by others. Terms such as "free" and "cost" are deceptive when they are misapplied.
If you can't do that, no offense, I think you should learn more about supply and demand and the impact it has on pricing. Also how actual free markets, NOT CRONY CAPITALISM can benefit consumers.
Universal right to force somebody to supply your needs? Is that your solution?
Nobody has the right to force other people to work at a fixed rate they determine and the worker / supplier has no choice but to go along with it. There's already a name for that, it's called slavery.
Yes, you should have the universal right to make determinations about your healthcare.
No, you should not and do not have a universal right to make others provide it for you at the point of a gun.
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Captain Red Eye
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What caused weed prices to drop?
If there's one weed dealer in town and his prices are "protected by government policy" (that happened) how will that affect consumer pricing versus 30 weed dealers in town who have to compete for your business?
What might cause other prices to drop in different service and products models?
If there's a few big insurance companies and they are protected by crony capitalist government policy how will that affect pricing versus a possible plethora of insurance companies who have to compete for your business?
Captain Red Eye
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It's not weird at all, it's common practice.
Liberals (and conservatives in many instances) love to use government guns to bring them the things they want. Misunderstanding of root causes and possible solutions is usually the reason for that.
Oh no! That is socialism! What will happen to our kids and bibles? Please Don...er God, deliver us from this horror of helping the less fortunate.
shiva82
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exactly
