Luigi Mangione

[Zeez]

If there's a few big insurance companies and they are protected by crony capitalist government policy how will that affect pricing versus a possible plethora of insurance companies who have to compete for your business?

The word gets out that United and other 'for profits' are assholes and the game is over. United's stock price (UNH) has dropped by 20% in the last week. They have lost a shitload of money in the last week and they are on their way down. Right now is the time window to change insurances and many will bail. As more people see how much better the nonprofits are momentum will increase

 

[Captain Red Eye]

exactly

Thank you for understanding the point I was making. It seems to have struck the liberal contingent here dumb. (unable to articulate an on-point rebuttal, but maybe the double entendre works too ).

Another interesting thing. Many liberals advocate for gun control without admitting the policies they want forced on everyone else will require government guns or the threat of them to make people fund their ideas.
Not to mention some are openly cheering when a violent rich kid shot somebody, (if Luigi did it) as long as it calls attention to something they have correctly identified as a problem.

Sure, the healthcare system is fucked, but they (liberals) have no idea why or how to correct it. If economic ignorance was a crime, there are lots of criminals in this thread.

Fascinating to watch the duplicity play out.

 

[Cannavore]

Fake libertarians crack me up

 

[Captain Red Eye]

The word gets out that United and other 'for profits' are assholes and the game is over. United's stock price (UNH) has dropped by 20% in the last week. They have lost a shitload of money in the last week and they are on their way down. Right now is the time window to change insurances and many will bail. As more people see how much better the nonprofits are momentum will increase

Yes, crony capitalists are assholes. You're right about that part but wrong about your solution though.

So why would you want to use crony capitalist tactics, government policies skewed to their benefit, to advance the things you want? That's like a woman saying, "look at that slut in that dress...then she goes and buys the same dress".

I'm sorry you don't understand economics, supply and demand and actual free markets and that you seem to like to solve problems using threats of violence rather than gaining an actual understanding of what a justice related solution might look like.

You aren't alone though, this thread is teeming with them.

 

[Zeez]

Yes, crony capitalists are assholes. You're right about that part but wrong about your solution though.

So why would you want to use crony capitalist tactics, government policies skewed to their benefit, to advance the things you want? That's like a woman saying, "look at that slut in that dress...then she goes and buys the same dress".

I'm sorry you don't understand economics, supply and demand and actual free markets and that you seem to like to solve problems using threats of violence rather than gaining an actual understanding of what a justice related solution might look like.

You aren't alone though, this thread is teeming with them.

Uhhhhh Yeah, teaming with people who think they know everything.

This thread typifies the mass media assault on for profit healthcare. Like many criminals and hookers (unless you are in Europe where they sit in neon storefront windows) these for profits survive because they are able to hide in the darkness. When exposed to sunlight they shrivel up.

Like most crony capitalists, the scam is only good while it's nice and quiet.
Once it's exposed, that's it, the enablers evaporate. Good reason to have freedom of the press.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Fake libertarians crack me up

I accuse you of having minimal understanding of my points above which is why you didn't rebut them with a better argument. Please stop being anti peace and a cheer leader for violent "solutions".

I don't disagree something needs to change and healthcare pricing and service is fucked. You guys got that part right!

I just don't think you have any idea what a peaceful and proper and just solution would look like.

Calling me names isn't a rebuttal.

How about showing me your economic solution that doesn't require your liberal gun to make happen?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Uhhhhh Yeah, teaming with people who think they know everything.

This thread typifies the mass media assault on for profit healthcare. Like many criminals and hookers (unless you are in Europe where they sit in neon storefront windows) these for profits survive because they are able to hide in the darkness. When exposed to sunlight they shrivel up.

Like most crony capitalists, the scam is only good while it's nice and quiet.
Once it's exposed, that's it, the enablers evaporate. Good reason to have freedom of the press.

I like that you seem to be for freedom of the press. Are there any other freedoms you like?

 

[Microbeman]

I hope I haven't misunderstood your proposed solution. Are you saying you want to force people to provide a service to you at a price you and not market conditions determine?

I hope you're not another economic illiterate silly liberal loving to use government guns to deliver the things you want. That's already what CRONY CAPITALISTS and governments do. Why would you emulate the thing that has created the problem?

You should kick crony capitalism.

You should not kick actual free markets, they are not the same as crony capitalism. Assigning the problems of crony capitalism to actual free markets won't help. Free markets are purposefully disallowed by crony capitalists, they don't exist in insurance now.

Tell me how much money it would cost me in private health business models to have the same family coverage that I have now.

First please tell me why weed prices went down when supply went up, can you?

Please tell me the difference between how crony capitalism and actual free markers operate. can you?

Also what you pay, may not be the actual cost, if you are being forcibly subsidized by others. Terms such as "free" and "cost" are deceptive when they are misapplied.

If you can't do that, no offense, I think you should learn more about supply and demand and the impact it has on pricing. Also how actual free markets, NOT CRONY CAPITALISM can benefit consumers.


Universal right to force somebody to supply your needs? Is that your solution?

Nobody has the right to force other people to work at a fixed rate they determine and the worker / supplier has no choice but to go along with it. There's already a name for that, it's called slavery.

Yes, you should have the universal right to make determinations about your healthcare.

No, you should not and do not have a universal right to make others provide it for you at the point of a gun.

Nobody should have the right to pay for medical care while his neighbor suffers because they cannot afford it.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

There are rumors floating that he was going to testify against Nancy Pelosi regarding insider trading.

 

[Cannavore]

There isn't a free market solution to giving every American man woman and child health care. That's the point. Companies exist to make profit. You make profit by denying care and killing your patients.

 

[Zeez]

I like that you seem to be for freedom of the press. Are there any other freedoms you like?

I'm all about freedom.

Women's rights
Democracy
Religion ot Not
Choice
Press
Hookers
Drugs
Speech
People singing about freedom
The freedom to tell people to fuck off.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Nobody should have the right to pay for medical care while his neighbor suffers because they cannot afford it.

I hear your complaint. You don't want people to suffer or be threatened, that's commendable.

Please tell me how reducing the number of suppliers for something, results in lowered prices ?
Do you remember how high weed prices were when heavy prohibition was going on? Do you know why the prices have dropped most places now?

Please stop pointing out what the problem is and tell me what your solution is and how it will increase choices, lower costs and reduce alignments with government thuggery, like crony capitalist have been doing for years.

Do you even know anything about supply and demand? Not being a dick...serious question.

 

[Microbeman]

How about showing me your economic solution that doesn't require your liberal gun to make happen?

Simplest thing in the world. Not for profit sliding scale premium based on income. There may also be room for a cash basis system in parallel.

 

[Microbeman]

Simplest thing in the world. Not for profit sliding scale premium based on income. There may also be room for a cash basis system in parallel.

This is about the 10th time I've posted this on this forum.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

There isn't a free market solution to giving every American man woman and child health care. That's the point. Companies exist to make profit. You make profit by denying care and killing your patients.

NO. You are blind and still trying to use violence to force people into your ideas...just like crony capitalists do. Irony.

First off, "profit" as a stand-alone word is neither bad or good. It needs more context. If unjust means are used to acquire profit, the profit that follows is unjust. If just means are used, the profit that follows is not automatically bad.

Crony capitialist use unjust means. You are advocating unjust means as a solution to somebody else using unjust means. That only shifts who holds the gun.

In an actual free market, voluntary and consensual trade is the prevailing mechanism, not threats.

Please put your gun down.

 

[Zeez]

Simplest thing in the world. Not for profit sliding scale premium based on income. There may also be room for a cash basis system in parallel.

It is simple and correct.
Just add in the European model of bulk purchasing medical stuff with negotiated prices.

 

[Microbeman]

Do you remember how high weed prices were when heavy prohibition was going on? Do you know why the prices have dropped most places now?

Have you also noted the drop in quality?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Simplest thing in the world. Not for profit sliding scale premium based on income. There may also be room for a cash basis system in parallel.

Now show me the gun you're not admitting to having that you will use to force your idea on people who prefer something else.

Go ahead do it, how will you get everyone to follow your plan without using threats of violence?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

It is simple and correct.
Just add in the European model of bulk purchasing medical stuff with negotiated prices.

It's correct to have your ideas forced on people who might peacefully disagree with your idea?

Isn't that the model you're fighting against?

 

[Microbeman]

NO. You are blind and still trying to use violence to force people into your ideas...just like crony capitalists do. Irony.

First off, "profit" as a stand-alone word is neither bad or good. It needs more context. If unjust means are used to acquire profit, the profit that follows is unjust. If just means are used, the profit that follows is not automatically bad.

Crony capitialist use unjust means. You are advocating unjust means as a solution to somebody else using unjust means. That only shifts who holds the gun.

In an actual free market, voluntary and consensual trade is the prevailing mechanism, not threats.

Please put your gun down.

In the case of medical service delivery, you are flat out wrong. Who keeps the competing for profit medical companies from becoming 'crony'? Those guns and violence you speak of?
I see your point for other commodities.