Luigi Mangione

[Cannavore]

NO. You are blind and still trying to use violence to force people into your ideas

the idea of.... dun dun dun..... having a health care system that provides for every person and puts their lives above the profit seeking ceo.... makes me blind and violent lmfao.

...just like crony capitalists do. Irony.

they kill 68,000 people annually

"trying to stop that is just like what they do"

First off, "profit" as a stand-alone word is neither bad or good. It needs more context.

Profits of industry are stolen from labor first of all. Secondly, if those profits are being driven by the deaths, exploitation, or suffering of others then yes it is bad to put profit and temporary material conditions over the suffering of others.

If unjust means are used to acquire profit, the profit that follows is unjust. If just means are used, the profit that follows is not automatically bad.

Wow you showed them! Your words definitely have more weight than Luigi's bullets!

This is equivalent to Hillary Clinton telling wall street profiteers to "cut it out!"

Crony capitialist use unjust means

crony capitalists are capitalists. capitalism is unjust.

You are advocating unjust means as a solution to somebody else using unjust means. That only shifts who holds the gun.

explain how allocating tax dollars to collectively pay doctors and all american medical bills is unjust

In an actual free market, voluntary and consensual trade is the prevailing mechanism, not threats.

Please put your gun down.

The free market is largely a scam and is never coming back in the way you think it is.

Nor do I want a free market for health care.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Have you also noted the drop in quality?

I grow my own. There are many many growers that do a fine job, better than I do, but mine works for me.

Weed and all other services needn't be controlled by governments. That shits for crony capitalists and prohibitionists.

Don't be a crony capitalist or a prohibitionist please. Don't use guns to force your ideas on people.

Free the weed, free other markets...good thing. Lower costs, more freedom, more peace.

 

[Microbeman]

Go ahead do it, how will you get everyone to follow your plan without using threats of violence?

By incorporating the parallel I mentioned all will be satiated. The transition would be rapid with people being aware of the high quality of non-profit which would easily out compete profit seeking endeavors - in a FREE market. Use those guns to eject lobbyists. Easy peazy.
Look at
Italy - especially
and almost all of Europe
Mexico
Canada

 

[Zeez]

It's correct to have your ideas forced on people who might peacefully disagree with your idea?

Isn't that the model you're fighting against?

There's no gun. Just the opposite in fact.

Just clear away all the smoke mirrors and bullshit.

Then ask the people do you want your money to go to you and people like you? Or, do you want your money to go to some billionaires who have been screwing you and everybody else and getting away with it.

 

[Cannavore]

If you're sick and have cancer, why should someone "shop around" for the best market based solution while also likely working, and recieving cancer treatment? Who wants to or has the energy to do that?

We're not buying candy here.

 

[Microbeman]

I grow my own. There are many many growers that do a fine job, better than I do, but mine works for me.

We were discussing the weed market/prices. I'm beginning to see that you just love arguing, like some others here. You do not really wish to hear ideas and comment on them or expand on them logically. Some of your comments made me think perhaps you did. Unfortunate for you. Have fun in your little club.

 

[Cannavore]

libertarians and ancaps are the biggest bootlickers in the game

 

[Captain Red Eye]

In the case of medical service delivery, you are flat out wrong. Who keeps the competing for profit medical companies from becoming 'crony'? Those guns and violence you speak of?
I see your point for other commodities.

No, I'm not wrong. Not insulting you either. I'm not sure you grasp how actual free markets work.

Crony capitalists and their fuckery only exist because of government policy. They don't want competition!!
They use regulation, licensure, old boy lobbying networks etc. and all that to keep out competition.

In an actual free market, (not crony capitalism) consumers exercising their choices send market signals to suppliers. If consumers are free to choose among many suppliers, suppliers that give bad services or have
silly high prices go under.

Have you seen many weed dealers still getting $350 an ounce? Why not? How did that happen?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

libertarians and ancaps are the biggest bootlickers in the game

Says the guy railing against crony capitalist policies held in place by government who then offers more government violence as a "solution".

Where is your argument that brings justice without forcing your ideas on otherwise peaceful people?
Do you have one?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

We were discussing the weed market/prices. I'm beginning to see that you just love arguing, like some others here. You do not really wish to hear ideas and comment on them or expand on them logically. Some of your comments made me think perhaps you did. Unfortunate for you. Have fun in your little club.

I like to argue for you having choices in your life without extinguishing other people from having their choices too.

That is a very little club in this thread.

Some of your comments make me think you believe your ideas are so important using a gun to force them on other people is somehow okay. good luck with that.

 

[Cannavore]

Says the guy railing against crony capitalist policies held in place by government who then offers more government violence as a "solution".

my dude, the capitalists own the government. there is no such thing as crony capitalism. they just own everything now.

Where is your argument that brings justice without forcing your ideas on otherwise peaceful people?
Do you have one?

we use taxpayer money and the social contract to pay for it. just like the fire dept, the police dept, public school.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

There's no gun. Just the opposite in fact.

Just clear away all the smoke mirrors and bullshit.

Then ask the people do you want your money to go to you and people like you? Or, do you want your money to go to some billionaires who have been screwing you and everybody else and getting away with it.

If there is no gun, what will happen to people that don't follow the plan you make for them and peacefully decline to participate in your idea?

 

[Cannavore]

If there is no gun, what will happen to people that don't follow the plan you make for them and peacefully decline to participate in your idea?

i heard if you go live in the woods and not participate in society you won't have this problem.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

my dude, the capitalists own the government. there is no such thing as crony capitalism. they just own everything now.

Okay, so you want to steal government from them and then you can force your ideas on other people ?
First they fuck you, then you fuck them and round and round you go?


Also, I'm not "your dude". I'm your teacher. Trying hard to get you to drop your blood thirsty ideas.

Duuuude...do you even Panarchy?

 

[Cannavore]

Okay, so you want to steal government from them and then you can force your ideas on other people ?

By force your ideas you mean have a majority who agrees? lol

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i heard if you go live in the woods and not participate in society you won't have this problem.

I heard if you are a silly liberal type and claim you are against guns, you're not reaaally against guns, you will use them to force your ideas on otherwise peaceful people that aren't doing the same to you.

So people need to live in the woods to be free of you imposing your ideas on them like a crony capitalist does?

If you understood voluntary exchange and free markets, maybe you'd be less blood thirsty.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

By force your ideas you mean have a majority who agrees? lol

Why are you bringing up forcible gang rape tactics in a lame attempt to use the word "majority" as if it has automatic moral high ground attached to it, violence loving person?

Gang rape is a democracy. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Zeez]

If there is no gun, what will happen to people that don't follow the plan you make for them and peacefully decline to participate in your idea?

The people who don't follow and insist on getting ripped off by billionaires while they get shity service. Fuckem. They are free to get ripped off however they see fit.

The real plan is National Healthcare. Like I said "No Gun needed". There ya go - FREE Healthcare .

Or. for this conversation MMs plan, Subsidized nonprofit, sliding scale, with negotiated drug prices like they have everywhere else.

 

[Cannavore]

Why are you bringing up forcible gang rape tactics in a lame attempt to use the word "majority" as if it has automatic moral high ground attached to it, violence loving person?

Gang rape is a democracy. Careful what you wish for.

i bet you only talk like this on shit you don't like/understand.


the majority has decided the age of consent to be 18. if i disagree with this am i being gang raped by democracy?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

By incorporating the parallel I mentioned all will be satiated. The transition would be rapid with people being aware of the high quality of non-profit which would easily out compete profit seeking endeavors - in a FREE market. Use those guns to eject lobbyists. Easy peazy.
Look at
Italy - especially
and almost all of Europe
Mexico
Canada

What could be wrong about forcing people to follow your ideas? Please ask yourself that.

Why not "allow" you and the people that agree with your idea to do it, while not forcing those who disagree with it to choose something different?

You bitched quite a bit in another thread a week or so ago when another member violated your wishes / consent by providing info you asked him not to. I think you made some decent points.

Why would it be okay for you violate the consent of other people's wishes in a different realm when you obviously didn't agree with it when somebody didn't honor your consent / wishes ?