Luigi Mangione

[Captain Red Eye]

Maybe we should leave a few around just for people like you.

Oh wait, we already did that. 9 out of the 10 poorest and least educated states are red.
Now, guess which states had the most medically induced bankruptcies out of the 530,000.

I'm not a Republican.

I never said government regulated health care as it exists today makes sense. We agree there.

Your solution is advocating violence though. There might be less violent ways for you to get what you want is my point.

 

[Zeez]

I'm not a Republican.

I never said government regulated health care as it exists today makes sense. We agree there.

Your solution is advocating violence though. There might be less violent ways for you to get what you want is my point.

Better go back and re-read Captain. You said that , not me.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Better go back and re-read Captain. You said that , not me.

All health insurance companies must be made non profits with regulated salaries. That's a good start. - Zeez


You said the above right? That's advocating violence.

You never answered what you would do to peaceful but disinterested people that resist your idea. It's pretty clear you advocate violence against them. Own it.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I share your preference, I'd like to see more old school Doctor's Offices, where there is no middleman.

With that said, I'm fine with those that WANT a middleman and don't force it on others, having a middleman.
Those that DON'T want a middleman, should have no middle man.

The problem isn't what people want, it's people forcing other unwilling people to go along with their idea.

People clamoring for Universal Healthcare should admit they are willing to use violence to get their way.


Nobody has a right to make unwilling people labor / pay for their wants and needs under threat of force
That's what slave masters did.

This is the problem with middlemen in healthcare, they stop people from price shopping for care. Thus drives up prices for everyone.

It’s bizarre. People shop for the best middleman. But when it comes time to go see a dr, they don’t call 10 of them looking for the best price because due to the middle man, they all cost a $50 copay.

My son was on a drug our insurance was paying $300+ for. We changed companies and were in between insurance and had to get it filled. Same prescription, same pharmacy, $130. I couldn’t believe it was that much cheaper to pay cash.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Better go back and re-read Captain. You said that , not me.

Saying people must do anything advocate’s violence. What’s the alternative if they don’t want to do what they “must” do?

 

[Zeez]

All health insurance companies must be made non profits with regulated salaries. That's a good start. - Zeez


You said the above right? That's advocating violence.

You never answered what you would do to peaceful but disinterested people that resist your idea. It's pretty clear you advocate violence against them. Own it.

You're doing great. Keep going carrying on both sides of the conversation with yourself. I'll just kick back and enjoy the show. Wake me up when it gets to the violence scene.
Oh wait, I'm supposed to defend myself from the accusation.. That's ok, you got this Captain, take it away.

 

[Zeez]

Saying people must do anything advocate’s violence. What’s the alternative if they don’t want to do what they “must” do?

I think that not for profit health insurance could be legislated in some states. Passing legislation usually does not invoke violence. How do you suppose the rest of the civilized world wound up with national health care?
It had to be through violence, right?

All states have to do is impose massive taxes on health care profits. United's $91B would cover allot of sate expenses.

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Hiddenjems]

I think that not for profit health insurance could be legislated in some states. Passing legislation usually does not invoke violence. How do you suppose the rest of the civilized world wound up with national health care?
It had to be through violence, right?

All states have to do is impose massive taxes on health care profits. United's $91B would cover allot of sate expenses.

What backs the power of law? Is it just words on paper, or are they backed by violence?

Get rid of the leeches, don’t just try to give them less blood.

 

[Zeez]

What backs the power of law? Is it just words on paper, or are they backed by violence?

Get rid of the leeches, don’t just try to give them less blood.

It's the choice of the people, the power of the vote.
Insurance companies are licensed and regulated, nothing new there.

 

[audiohi]

All health insurance companies must be made non profits with regulated salaries. That's a good start. - Zeez

You said the above right? That's advocating violence.

That’s the unprincipled response. It’s a common leftist strategy to change what words mean based on who’s doing the action being described.

 

[audiohi]

 

[Captain Red Eye]

You're doing great. Keep going carrying on both sides of the conversation with yourself. I'll just kick back and enjoy the show. Wake me up when it gets to the violence scene.
Oh wait, I'm supposed to defend myself from the accusation.. That's ok, you got this Captain, take it away.

You aren't doing great.

You are afraid to answer any questions of what will happen if peaceful but disinterested people don't want to support your idea. You even claim, falsely, there won't be any violence.

Out of one side of your mouth you complain about State violence (crony laws) that funnels rich insurance fuckers insurance wealth. They use laws and regulations within the State apparatus to reduce choices of people to get them what they want. They want to reduce choices by using the force of the State.

Your answer isn't to stop the violence of State intervention, your answer is for your people to control and wield the State intervention yourself. You want to use the State apparatus to force people to pay for your idea, even if some peacefully decline. You want to reduce choices using force of the State.

If you were honest about your proclivity for using political violence you would have answered what you would have happen to those peaceful but disinterested people who refused to pay for your idea.

Here's the answer you didn't give but is 100% accurate.

If people don't go along with your idea and refuse to pay for it, you are okay with them being forced to pay, failing payment, you are okay with other people (not you of course, you are "against violence" !! ) using violence against the unwilling.

You are okay with using State violence to get your way, but you don't like it when it's done to you.

Own it.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

It's the choice of the people, the power of the vote.
Insurance companies are licensed and regulated, nothing new there.

"Choice of the people"
Demonstrably false. Incredibly naive and misleading.

If state actions are always legitimate, (they aren't) why are you whining about the $$$ excesses and fuckery of "legal" insurance robbers?

Legality can just as easily bring fuckery and threats of violence to noncompliant but disinterested peaceful people as it can protect people.
For instance, you have correctly identified that legalized insurance fuckery is a thing. Presumably the reason you don't like it is it removes choices for people and costs them something they'd prefer it not to.

Then, your corrective proposal is to wrestle the metaphorical gun of the State out of the insurance fuckers hands and into your hands. You'll show those violent insurance fuckers how to "correctly" use the violence of the State legal apparatus. You'll pass legislation forcing everyone to follow YOUR idea.

To a person disinterested in either the insurance fuckers ideas or your well intentioned but still violence laden solution, neither option is their choice. IT IS NOT THE CHOICE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Passing legislation usually does not invoke violence

Behind EVERY LAW is the active threat of violence. That is undeniable.

What will happen to a disinterested but otherwise peaceful person if they fail to go along with any legislation?

Name one law which does not ultimately threaten violence, even if the noncompliant is a disinterested but otherwise peaceful person simply wanting to opt out?

If you feed homeless in a park if it's "against the law" what will happen to you ultimatley if you keep doing it?

Cannavore will be okay with shooting peaceful but disinterested people who don't follow his proposed laws to fund his ideas

If that number exceeds 400,000 people, Cannavore will just get more bullets. It's the law!!!
Cannavore knows what's best for you! Obey Cannavore's ideas or else!


What is preventing you and people that like your idea from cooperating on it and leaving those who don't like your idea free to make other choices?

I don't have any right to threaten force against disinterested but otherwise peaceful people to pay for my ideas. Where did you get that right from? Are you "more equal" than me?

 

[armedoldhippy]

if they fail to go along with any legislation?

breaking the law has always had penalties. don't like the laws where you live? nobody is stopping you from moving.

 

[nepalnt21]

You'll show those violent insurance fuckers how to "correctly" use the violence of the State legal apparatus.

YEAHHH

You'll pass legislation forcing everyone to follow YOUR idea.

eahhh.... wait, what?

 

[Cannavore]

i no longer consent to viewing these posts

 

[Hiddenjems]

breaking the law has always had penalties. don't like the laws where you live? nobody is stopping you from moving.

The state only survives by the threat of violence. It’s very simple.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

YEAHHH

eahhh.... wait, what?

Every law has the threat of violence behind it for people who are disinterested and peacefully refuse to follow
the edict or fund it.

You seem to have difficulty with extrapolation and even when things are spelled out as they actually are, you seem reluctant to admit it. Lot of that going around. I'm here to expose the dissonance.

Government schools are not voluntarily funded like most grocery stores are. Yes or no?