I don't agree that laws are ultimately backed by violence.
Read about the basis of rules - Mores and folkways . Nowhere does it suggest "backed by violence".
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Read about the basis of rules - Mores and folkways . Nowhere does it suggest "backed by violence".
Captain Red Eye
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Profit if acquired justly is not wrong.
Unjust profit is wrong, not because of "profit", because it was aquired unjustly.
For example. You and I both "profit" when we make a consensual trade. You have excess cannabis, but no food, I have excess food. We make a willing and consensual trade. We;re both very happy with the result.
We both "profitted". We both won.
Captain Red Eye
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Clearly you've never had your face pushed into the concrete while wearing handcuffs for breaking any number of victimless crime laws which abound in the USA, home of the heavily incarcerated and about to be incarcerated.
I think you might be trolling now, I find it difficult to believe you are that ignorant of reality. Second thought....hmmm.
Hiddenjems
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How about they bill you and you pay on the bill. That’s how my brothers birth was financed.
Hiddenjems
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This is a huge issue now. Who would have thought 25 years ago that the weed community would fill with worshippers of state power? Having never been at the wrong end of state power, they have no perspective.
Insults just make you look like... Well,, you know.. You probably shot your mouth off when you should have just shut up. Nope never happened to me. I got shaken down by a couple of cops in Juarez one time.
I studied sociology before I got a real job.
Violence is a deviant behavior. If a situation has escalated to violence it may be countered or corrected with an appropriate level of violence only as a means to bring the offending party back to a more acceptable form of dealing with the problem.
Hiddenjems
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Violence is the use of force.
Captain Red Eye
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There are some good observations you have made. Thank you.
no just no!
in your example, we get to choose to waltz into the casino and put up our life savings if we get the ole itch to do so.
in reality town, as you've pointed out any and every chance you get, the state is violently and unceremoniously thrust upon us at birth. sometimes before.
now we can bleet and bang the walls about the unfairness of it all, or we can DO the very few things within our power, which include voting (a responsibility that many people abdicate or simply ignore).
you won't agree with me, and i never will with you on it... but the ones knowingly abdicating their veritable OBLIGATION to help make decisions about OUR employees (congress, etc.)... ain't got nuttin ta say
hercules will not help you if you won't try to help yourself.
the spirit of hercules will not hear your complaints if you choose to do nothing about the state of affairs.
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been locked up multiple times, used to have panic attacks at the sight of a cop.
so that means i should want to embrace anarchy?
more like it means i have a DUTY to fight to make the state bend to the will of the people. so that others won't have to suffer unjustified kidnappings at the hands of the police.
"wAnTiNG a BeTtER FUtUre fOR yOUr CHilDreN mEans YoU worSHIp tHE stAtE!"
There are many ways to use force without violence.
Violence is a deviant behavior.
Captain Red Eye
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I'm not insulting you .
I don't give a shit what you studied. Appeals to "but but my degree", don't mean jack shit when faced with an argument which exposes an opposing contradictory argument.
Saying a person is ignorant of something can be descriptive and not an insult. In your case you've been claiming two opposing things at once. I think that's a display of ignorance and pointed it out.
First, you SAID you weren't advocating violence.
Two, you then advocated for a law, backed by violence to be used to force disinterested but peaceful people to adopt your idea or state violence would be used on them.
Pointing at State exceptions the State grants itself to do violence, is not an argument. It's just more evidence you've been taught to believe in two opposing things at once.
Violence against otherwise peaceful people is violence even if the State does it, which it does ALL the time
Now, you know this. You can admit it or remain ignorant, your choice.
I like people having choices, you...not so much.
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Passing legislation to reel in insurance companies from fucking people over really seems to strike a nerve with you and you relate that to the man mushing your face into the concrete. I get it. That's your thing. You want to fuck with them and bring on those consequences. I don't care. Sounds like you're ready to have another go.
People collectively deciding that they want rules to keep insurance companies from fucking them over and your personal experience have nothing to do with each other.
Captain Red Eye
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People have every right to cooperate peacefully to get the things they want, unless or until they force otherwise peaceful but disinterested people to pay for their idea etc. Then peace is no longer in the equation.
You wanted to force people to work for a salary your proposed law determined, not a salary two different involved parties agreed on. You wanted a law backed by potential violence to bring that idea to fruition. You'll need the face mushers to back up your ideas won't you?
You can't vote away violence if it's embedded in your idea. Which is the part you've dodged, but not very well.
Using the same means as the thing you claim to be against is contradictory, since the means used is part of the process and cannot be separated. You seem to be ignorant of that.
I have to go and force my peaceful chickens to work for me at a salary I've set. It's for their own good!
I out voted them and I've studied a lot about chickens!!
I've studied chickens for many years too. The two step - scratch scratch peck. At least one is always standing guard watching for hawks and other predators.
The only violence in the equation here is coming from the insurance companies. People pay and pay and then companies like United leave them for dead. I lived in a country with universal health care. There was none of this bullshit and they think what happens here is barbaric. They're right.
The only violence in the equation here is coming from the insurance companies. People pay and pay and then companies like United leave them for dead. I lived in a country with universal health care. There was none of this bullshit and they think what happens here is barbaric. They're right.
Captain Red Eye
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What will your proposed law do to me if I PEACEFULLY DECLINE to go along with it?
Are you too chicken to answer with a straight forward answer?
this more argues in favor of just law and not no law, imo.
are you a vegan?
I don't know, they might still have an attitude from the last time and give you a flogging anyway.
Hiddenjems
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Violence is the use of force. Flat and simple.
