Luigi Mangione

[Captain Red Eye]

that sounds like a social contract to me

stop violating my consent to post

See you in the other thread. if you'd like to see my reply.

 

[Cannavore]

Capitalism is coercion

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Did you consent?

 

[Hiddenjems]

Capitalism is coercion

Yes. People are coerced to get off their ass and support themselves…

 

[mean mr.mustard]

So that's why you guys are allergic to taxes...

 

[nepalnt21]

Yes. People are coerced to get off their ass and support themselves…

it's almost as though you make- believe that we live in some sort of meritocracy

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Capitalism is coercion

Capitalism as it presently exists, in tandem with government, is coercive. Yes, that's right.

Why you then want to hand over "Universal healthcare" to the control of people that enable crony capitalism (government) escapes me.

Free market actions are not coercive though, since no parties to the interaction are under forcible compulsion to be in the interaction.


Also, I'd like to hear your ideas about a social contract, there's a thread about that now. Care to weigh in?

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Hiddenjems]

Whatever your views on healthcare…..

Killing a powerful figure to bring about political change fits the definition of terrorism, even if the outcome is a net positive.

 

[Cannavore]

Whatever your views on healthcare…..

Killing a powerful figure to bring about political change fits the definition of terrorism, even if the outcome is a net positive.

no

 

[Hiddenjems]

no

Yes
“Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals”

 

[Hiddenjems]

Believing that the ends justify the means is fascist thinking.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

no

So let me get this straight.

First you think regular old run of the mill political violence is the answer to get other people to pay for your "UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE"

Then when that doesn't seem to have a chance, you cheer for some guy to shoot and kill somebody.

Then you post videos of near dead Noam Chomsky chastising "hierarchy", as if you are the champion of protecting equality.

Then you want to force your ideas on other supposed "equal people" by imposing a political hierarchy on disinterested people using regular old run of the mill standard political violence.


Then you blather on about capitalism and fail to distinguish crony capitalism from a "no imposed hierarchy free market".

Rinse lather repeat.

 

[Cannavore]

Yes
“Terrorism is the use of violence or the threat of violence to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals”

self defense from a tyrannical murder for profit system

 

[Cannavore]

 

[Hiddenjems]

self defense from a tyrannical murder for profit system

That’s the unprincipled response. It’s a common leftist strategy to change what words mean based on who’s doing the action being described.

 

[Hiddenjems]

The principled response would be something like this. “Terrorism was used by the American founders against unjust power, Luigi is just continuing the American tradition”.

See there I’m helping you make a better argument.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

You have no right to complain about crooked government.
You're the one that won't consider or understand solutions that don't use government and imposed hierarchy.

In an actual free market, you would have more alternatives than a government enabled crony capitalism system for healthcare needs. No imposed hierarchy either! Just free people making choices for themselves.

Odd that you correctly malign the monopoly controlled healthcare of the present but want to place your proposed solution "Universal Healthcare" in the hands of the same monopoly.

Almost like you really think a forcible hierarchy is good ...as long as it delivers you what you want.
You don't want to get rid of force in the market for healthcare, you want to wield it!

Your ideas aren't so different from the people you are cheering to be shot.

 

[Hiddenjems]

I’ll say it a million times. Before government and insurance companies got involved, the dr came to your house for $20.

Insurance is just more middlemen between the service and the patient. Government involvement in any industry drives up prices.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I’ll say it a million times. Before government and insurance companies got involved, the dr came to your house for $20.

Insurance is just more middlemen between the service and the patient. Government involvement in any industry drives up prices.

I am pleased you know this. Thank you.