Luigi Mangione

[audiohi]

I bet captain red eye lives in a community with an HOA in a deeply conservative state

 

[nepalnt21]

idk, maybe but i suspect that might be his actual photo.

he comes across as someone that lives an hour (from town) up in the wooded hills and has a VERY well hidden driveway.

 

[Microbeman]

There is no such thing as government funds, since all "their money" is either created under false pretenses or taken from people under threat of force.

If you didn't have a wheel-chair ramp at your store,
I'd put one at my store and all the people that support that would come flocking to my store to show their gratitude for my kindness. You would support my store then, right ? Free market solution for the win-win.

Charity is NOT taking from one person and giving it to another under threat of force.

Charity doesn't violate consent, you're confusing that with theft. Theft is taking something that isn't yours using fraud or threats of violence for noncompliance. I'm against that kind of behavior if you or I or ANYONE does that. Wish you were too.

So obviously you are ignorant of the miserable conditions for people with disabilities prior to the ADA and as bad as being unable to even cross the road and go up or down a curb. True violence. Own it.

 

[Zeez]

Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 gives allot of protection. I've had to quote it a few times.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 gives allot of protection. I've had to quote it a few times.

And if you violate it, force is used against you. Is it good? Yes, violence isn’t always bad. A shooter can be stopped by another violent actor.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I don't know, they might still have an attitude from the last time and give you a flogging anyway.

Thank you for FINALLY admitting that laws are backed up with violence.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Thank you for FINALLY admitting that laws are backed up with violence.

What do they say? “If the penalty is a fine it’s not really illegal”.

 

[Zeez]

Thank you for FINALLY admitting that laws are backed up with violence.

No admission. That was a Special Case with prior history.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

So obviously you are ignorant of the miserable conditions for people with disabilities prior to the ADA and as bad as being unable to even cross the road and go up or down a curb. True violence. Own it.

Nope not ignorant of that.

Many soldiers that were drafted (a kind of slavery) came home from many foreign wars with horrible injuries and some will even admit they weren't protecting jack shit and certainly not protecting freedom.

There is nothing in my philosophy which would prevent you and people that share your concerns from helping people with other disabilities. I encourage that kind of behavior. I DO some of that. but I nor you have any right to force other people to.

Also, I don't need to own violence I didn't commit and don't support.

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Statist claim: Oppression by Nature Justifies Government aggression.​

Fallacy:​

Marten van Loon: Starving people to death is also a form of force.

Response:​

If a person actually confined someone against their will and allowed them to starve that would be aggression against them; but the error is typically to blame the boogeyman at hand (capitalists, big business, voluntaryists) for someone not getting the resources they want or need and suffering from it.

However, it is not aggression to refuse to donate to someone, or even to refuse to contract with them on their terms, or to refuse to associate with them.

If someone comes to harm from not meeting biological needs, it is nonsensical to say "capitalism" or "big business" or whatever their chosen villain is "oppressed" them. If anything, "nature" oppressed them, but that makes little sense when brought out into the open. (DR)

Libertarians understand liberty as being about man-imposed contraints on activity. Statists, particularly statist socialists, see liberty as being about natural constraints. Thus, to libertarians the fact that one must eat, sleep, and have sufficient shelter to survive is irrelevant to liberty. Those are natural constraints, due to the nature of man. Libertarians worry about aggression, that is, constraints imposed by other men by force. On the other hand, statists and socialists tend to claim that needing to eat is a constraint upon liberty. Put another way, this sort of statist believes that, since he cannot flap his arms and fly, he is not free. [HB]

Liberty is about man-made constraints, not natural constraints.​

 

[Captain Red Eye]

No admission. That was a Special Case with prior history.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

What do they say? “If the penalty is a fine it’s not really illegal”.

I like, "good people disobey bad laws".

 

[Zeez]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'm concerned about people being ripped off on health care by assholes like Brian Thompson.

 

[nepalnt21]

And if you violate it, force is used against you.

i mean... the "you" in this case is the protected disabled person, are you saying the state/ private business should be allowed to discriminate or use other forms of violence against the disabled you?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I bet captain red eye lives in a community with an HOA in a deeply conservative state

In the original meaning of the word "liberal", I am far more liberal than you are.
We used to have a saying, "do your own thing". Not force your thing on other peaceful people.

You kids today are full of anger and wrong think.

I'm sorry us old guys have more testosterone than your generation and were taught critical thinking skills.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

I'm concerned about people being ripped off on health care by assholes like Brian Thompson.

So am I . You have correctly identified a problem.

Your solution relies on violence, I will NOT obey it.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

i mean... the "you" in this case is the protected disabled person, are you saying the state/ private business should be allowed to discriminate or use other forms of violence against the disabled you?

So the NBA should lower the basket so slow chubby white kids can slam on a 6 foot hope then?

 

[Zeez]

So am I . You have correctly identified a problem.

Your solution relies on violence, I will NOT obey it.

That's cool, You are free to choose the health care that rips you off or the one that gives a good deal because they are not pigs with your money.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

are you a vegan?

I am an omnivore.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

That's cool, You are free to choose the health care that rips you off or the one that gives a good deal because they are not pigs with your money.

False dichotomy.

Those are not the only possibilities that could exist. Both of those I reject, because
they're backed up by force being used against disinterested but otherwise peaceful people.

My argument is internally consistent, yours is not. You've put on a good demonstration of cognitive dissonance. I'm sorry you are going through that now.

I am free to choose to support neither of the options you mention above and I'm free to go to a witch doctor if it pleases me.

 

[audiohi]

You kids today are full of anger

definitely.

I'm sorry us old guys have more testosterone than your generation and were taught critical thinking skills.