Long flowering Sativa VS shorter flowering sativa.....

[diamondmine]

I think Ima haveta try one of these long flowering sativas.... Damn, Im in cali, one of the world weed capitals, and theres NO clones floating around that flower longer than 10 weeks... Ima haveta find some seeds I guess. Which seed company has the best long flower sativas? I was thinkin maybe an african strain, wutchall think for that crazy only-in-long-flowering-high Im lookin for?

Try it bro, I'm at 37n and flowered until dec. 3 You know when you smoke really good bud and your eye's are all tight and you feel great but like 2 hours later your all tired and burnt out, well sativa doesn't do that, your high, you come down and it feels like you never smoked.

 

[Toyot4]

interesting, so the longer the flowering time the more yield, if veg time is the same?

thats not exactly what he is saying but i guess you could word it that way. The long flower sativa will tend to grow a lot during flower time. These strains originate closer to the equator which makes them have longer periods of the year that are 12/12. So purely by genetics they will grow bigger if given the same veg period.

 

[DRorganic]

the longest i have had a plant flower was 100 days from initiation of 12-12. and it was a kalimist .its great considering it was grown indoors from seed bank seeds . but it was nothing like the long flowering Mexican sativa i grew on my first grow. it was a long flowering plant . planted it in April and cut it in lat oct. Carolina area. and i have not had a plant get me so high it was like i was on acid and you would not fall a sleep if you smoked it .you had to smoke it early in the morning and you wher lucky if you got anything done right .the motivation was there but your mind would be going faster then your body could hold up. it smelled like pure pine tree sap and had big headed try comes. and they where all over it. and they where mostly white with still white hairs still shooting out of it. but it was the first frost and so i yanked it and hanged her in the shower. for got about it for a month. till one night my brother and i wher playing a computer game .
and it popes in my head hey i have a plant hanging down stairs .it was for kicks just to see if i could grow . we started harvesting the thing and it was dry as hell except for the wet thc on it . so we noticed how strong the Oder was it was getting us high just from the fumes it was putting off .so we rolled a joint .that was all it took we could not stop laughing or stay seated .but it was the best time i had had at that time .because i became disabled on the job and was looking for something different then Oxycontin.
from that day forward my plans where in action to start growing my own meds and
i found overgrow.com and the rest is history.


but i think the longer flowering sativas are just starting to get going later in life producing a much stronger medication as opposed to a short flowering hybrid. a true sativa takes a long time to flower .but it is well worth it trust me on this one. i would always grew a long flowering sativa hybrid next to a short flowering hybrid .i would just grow the longer flowering sativa with guano. and just watered it as it dried out . you living in cali i would be growing some serious long flowering sativas outdoors with a mix of other things and keep it all to myself a close friends for laughing with watching movies or playing games.

 

[DRorganic]

oh the long flowering plant put off male flowers in late flowering because we did not know about light poisoning and we would have the lights on when we would go out to swim in the pool. but i did take some seeds that came from the plant and cross it with my very first seed buy and it was ak47 from serious seeds. and that cross stopped my brother from smoking. i guess they are all female seeds. every one i grow is female. and one of the plants i grew gave me one pound of bud .we smoked some one night and it sent him into a panic. he will smoke every now and then but it was so strong i think it scared him
in to a Psychosis state.

 

[bigghead]

longer for the most exotic . speed kills

 

[titoon29]

Hey Get Mo !

for me, I guess it depends, it is not the same potency.

I find that the most "potent" are usually hybrids, around 12 weeks flowering, like the Sourdiesel, Kali Mist, NYCD sativa phenotype, etc...
9-11 is very rare for sativas, i ld say you could put C99 and some few ssh phenotypes in that but not much more.

a longer flowering time (12+ up to 18) give usually a very heady high, which can sometimes make you feel that you re not really high unless you got something important to do... some are really psychedelic, very much like a shroom trip like said here : heady rush, unable to control your thinking, sometimes paranoia.. a bit like a heavy dose of edibles. but that is not most of them.
for everyday use they are great, not too much needed, very functionnal, and very trippy. it is great when you don t need to smoke every hour.

You should give a chance at some sativas from ace, they are good and some are very very strong, it will give you some of the most amazing high you ve had, but you ll have to wait a bit more... the yield is nice, does not need any veg... And when you ll go for that, you won t probably come back... trust me, i ve been there... now 10 weeks is maybe the shortest i have (except when i mix seeds and end up with lebanese instead of vietnam black hybrids...). Commercial clones and well grown pure sativas will never be the same.

hope it helps !

+++

 

[OldPork]

I wouldn't get hung up on it if I were you. Last summer I grew a long flowering sativa (Hawaiian Snow) outdoors and had great success with it...planted April 20 and harvested November 15...almost 7 months old! Although the smoke is quite good, I don't know if it was worth the extra work over the strains I harvested 6 weeks earlier. I think some sativas (but my no means all) have a little more character (e.g. aroma and flavor) over some of the earlier flowering strains, but as far as potency there are plenty of strains that are just as potent and only take 8-9 weeks of flower time.

 

[Dalaihempy]

Intresting post well i think what we should be saying is short flowering sativa hybrids and longer flowering sativa hybrids and or pure sativas with long flowering times .

Heres the thing with hybrids some lines even tho they come in say at 12 or even say 16 weeks from seed mums once cloned can come in much faster and realy be close to most other 10 week strains the great thing about hybrids is the way the genetics combine.

You can find plants that express say a short compact look with say good flower mass yet expresses its self in the smoke like a good quolity sativa.

Mo i know that a few cali med growers have not long ago gone and saw shanti collected genetics and will be from what i read offering things like mangohaze and other haze hybrids if you have space i would sugest you try mangohaze very practicle sativa hybrid that will give you a special high super silver haze will give you a high with an element of stone and i would also be telling you to look at kali mist very intresting line.

If you want to go longer flowering well go with something like Nevilles haze or sams haze or even look into the sativas offerd by the real seed co think there called being in cali im sure you could find some sativas if you try to not sure if gypsy still has some old sativas offerd but also look there my advice is run a search on given lines read what people that infact grew a given line had to say.

 

[RollmeoneKenobi]

What you do is run a lf sat in a corner to mature and grow a bunch of sf hybrid for your daily smoke. Best of both worlds that way!

 

[Elevator Man]

Just finishing off some 14-week Thai-leaning Old Time Moonshine, and it is definitely worth the wait, even for a relatively low yield. I've felt several times this week like I've had flames coming out of my head.



You can't get that on a short-flowering sativa, although Flo is absolutely wonderful in replicating that effect, but with extra crispness and clarity.

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

Here is my long flowering sativa(Phnom Penh) at about 7.5 weeks with CO2 supplimentation. It'll go 10.5-11 with CO2, I'm guessing it would be 13 or 14 without.

PS- This is my first attempt at a budshot and I had to take dozens of pictures to get resin glands to show, there are lots of more interesting fox-tailed buds on the plant, though.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

FoCo - Why do you think blue spectrum helps, but UVB doesn't?

I've been wondering this same thing myself recently GET MO. I'm growing C99 right now, and next up I'm thinking might be C99 x Highland Thai, maybe after that I'll try to find a pure thai.

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

FoCo - Why do you think blue spectrum helps, but UVB doesn't?

I've been wondering this same thing myself recently GET MO. I'm growing C99 right now, and next up I'm thinking might be C99 x Highland Thai, maybe after that I'll try to find a pure thai.

I have done more research on UVB recently and I am absolutely convinced that it only does HARM to your plants.

According to the world's foremost cannabis experts, resin production is a PRECAUTIONARY defence mechanism to protect the plant from HARMFUL uvb(amongst other things). The plant is going to produce the resin anyway, to protect it from UVB it might experience in its life. Nowhere have I found evidence of UVB increasing potency. In every test I've seen, they do not isolate the UVB variable, they simple measure UVB and forget about general light intensity. I mean, if HPS lights are free of UVB, but still produce high potency buds, we can assume that UVB itself has nothing to do with the realization of THC, right?

In my experience, blue light just produces better(but less massive) buds. I have never really seen any sort of scientifically conducted experiment that supports my conclusion, but in my experience it is true... so I choose to use more blue light in my garden.

 

[GrnMtnGrwr]

Cool, thanks for the info!

 

[Godless]

I can only speak with experience about two strains - one at each end of the flowering time for sativa strains scale:

Kali Mist - 100 days of flower
PowerPlant - 60 days of flower

Both were well flushed, slow dried and are currently in the cure process. PowerPlant has been curing about 40 days longer.

Although they are very similar, there is a clear difference in the high. Powerplant is a bit more speedy and less euphoric. I would guess that the actual THC % is pretty similar. It takes me 2-4 hits to get a solid stone out of either. The biggest difference is in the end of the high. Powerplant lasts 2hrs tops and when the high is gone, I am left with a very slight headache and am I little sleepy for a bit.

KaliMist is more like a 3-3.5hr high. The first 30 mins are extremely euphoric - I feel like I am about to start levitating. The come down is much more gradual and leaves me very close to the same state of mind when I started. Powerplant leaves me a little bit more "fuzzy."

I wonder if certain types of phenotypic expressions are tied to one another? If a breeder keeps selecting the shortest flowering plants, are they impacting the quality of the high?

 

[mathias]

+1 for long flowering sativa in my country (new-caledonia) we smoking some plants keep 4 month and more in flowering .... and it's awesome

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

+1 for long flowering sativa in my country (new-caledonia) we smoking some plants keep 4 month and more in flowering .... and it's awesome

I consider myself fairly well informed, as far as Americans go, but I am embarrassed to say that I have never heard of New-Caledonia. I just had to look it up on wikipedia... WOW you live in paradise, what a beautiful place!


16+ weeks is a long time, it makes me want to know more about your sativa. I'm curious if you are growing native landrace varieties/imported landrace varieties or do you order seeds like the rest of us? Could you drop some pictures?

 

[unthing]

Hi Foco

On another thread (ledlab 2009) there was some suspection that blue light affects terpene biosynthesis in a good way. This would kinda seem reasonable as some suggest to use mh in last weeks of flowering and the praise of cmh.

Gonna do some search for that now.


Edit: Once smoked 120+ day neville with amber trichomes, very very high kinda like more human than human-feeling, hard to explain..

 

[LoudBlunts]

Do a search on THCV and see what you turn up.


I use lots of blue spectrum when flowering all my plants. You get a higher quality product, but less of it... I'm not a believer in UVB.

what about dual arc 1k bulbs?

 

[The End Is Near]

Just my opinion at the moment, but the extra wait isn't worth it. I'm sure my high tolerance and daily use has something to do with it though. When I think about it, for every epic smoke session I've had, it would always be the first time I tried that particular weed, or was on a smoke break. The same weed that fucked me up hardcore the day before would just smoke like normal weed the next.

More on topic, I've grown both 100+ day Kali Mist ('08 stock) and Wally C99. I didn't find Kali Mist to be the exaggerated sativa high I was expecting. I went by trichs and was waiting for a bit more amber and for the clear to go cloudy, but they just stayed so I chopped.

The C99 I harvested mostly at 70 days because I was wating for the same trich change that didn't come. Even with <5% amber it was actually a bit stoney. But the first test nug taken at day 40 with more clear trichs than I'd like was electric and had my heart pounding like in the old days. A VERY nice sativa high. The next day I smoked it I didn't get the same effect.