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Living organic soil from start through recycling

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MJPassion

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lonelemming said:
Hi all, quick question about the sprouted teas. This is my first time exploring them thanks to CC, and was wondering about the odor when finished. There is no visible mold, just a little bubbly foam on top....but it smells like vomit/stomach bile. I was going to give it a taste to get more information that I could provide you all, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

Pick-up a cheap, cheap air pump at PetSmart (around $10.00) and a small airstone (around $2.00)

After the seeds have sprouted and you begin the soaking period, stick the airstone into the water and let it bubble. That will preclude the smells.

Please get 'fermented' out of your lexicon on this one. Fermenting is not a goal in any way. And if some jamoke comes along and tells you to add EM-1 or whatever lactobacillus bacteria concoction - ask them to take a flying leap at a rolling pastry - i.e. go screw a doughnut!

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Man I couldn't figure out how to describe the odors comeing from my sprouted barley tea. Vomit is close but mine was more like sour milk. I used what I needed to water my cannabis and house plants and they loved it. The rest I put into a 2 gallon bucket encouraging it to ferment by adding plant material to it as time goes by. The "solution", for lack of a better term, was really thick with these white masses floating around attached to plant material. I cut the solution in half diluting it roughly 1:1, kept half in the bucket and threw the other half on the compost pile. The dog and cats go searching to see what what I put in the pile so I assume it's OK. I'll be cutting the solution in half again today and throwing it onto the pile again recharging the other half, so to speak for the next go round. As long as the aroma isn't bad I was thinking about continuing to do this throughout the winter months. Hopefully it will revive my compost pile like it did the house plants. Oh yeah... The fermenting solution does get stirred once or twice durring the week or so that it sits around.
 

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Thank you for asking about bubbling those sprouts LL and to you CC for your answer! I completely forgot about that little detail and I came under the impression that we were aiming for a slight fermentation, thank you for clearing that up. I have been getting along seemingly fine without the aeration but I think the process would definitely improve with some bubbling; the aeration should help extend the soaking time by slowing the fermentation, thus allowing more enzyme to be extracted, thats what Im thinking at least.... I noticed a slight film on the top after the first day every single time I have soaked, it didnt seem to affect anything but perhaps some of the enzymes are being degraded by the fermentation? I didnt get any kind of unpleasant smells like your bile aroma LL, maybe that had to do with the kinds of seeds being used? I wonder because the only ones I have used so far are barley and wheat, so I havent had a chance to sniff those; mine have always had a slightly sweet/nutty smell about them.
Having said I will definitely be getting a small air pump and an airstone or two.
Thanks again guys!

I allowed my sprouts to get about half an inch long previous to throwing them in the tea. I stirred the solution a couple times and used what I needed after about 36 hours. The aroma was and still is pleasant, to me anyway, like sour milk or plain yogurt.

I used what I needed and allowed the rest to ferment for a week. I cut that solution in half, diluted it 1:1 and put it on the compost pile. It must be OK if the Dog and Cats are trying to find it in the compost pile, though I don't really like them digging in it. ;)
 

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So i have 6 plants in 12/12 on the 3rd week. Got some supplies for the soil but now I'm thinking since i have been using botanicare bloom and grow, should i finish these plants with them. Will making the soil and trying to transplant and feed these teas (comfrey, barley, etc) even be of use since there is salt from the botanicare in there? Also I'm trying to find what somebody uses for cal/mag with RO water. Cant find the posts if anyone has mentioned it. my tap water reeks of chlorine. When u drink a glass its hard to drink it cause the smell of the chlorine. I let my water sit out in gallon jugs for 2 days before using but im wondering if i shoupd get an RO filter. Or i can buy 5 gallons of water from a local windmill/water source for $1.00. I'm guessing its RO water or filtered some way. Sure doesnt smell like chlorine and tastes really clean. It just doesnt say if its RO on the machine. It's like the machines u fill the 5 gallon jugs at walmart, etc. But its not in a store. Just in certain parking lots in my town.

I've seen a few of those water machines hooked up to a hose on a tap so check the source of your water previous to purchasing it. A simple carbon filter will remove the chlorine and chloramine. Call your water supplier and check the chemicals used in the supply as chloramine will not evaporate and needs other methods to be removed (ie 1000mg Vit C in a bath tub full of water, however much water that may be)

There must have been some changes at IC over the last week or so. I'm not seeing my posts for some reason. Hmm!!
 
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Might as well W89 since i might also be ordering 500 cases of organic young Thai coconuts! LOL!
 

W89

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500? shit where will you keep them all wouldn't have any room left for the rice hulls lol
 

ClackamasCootz

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If you're going to order that many coconuts have your supplier toss in Nemo Toads, Mole Assesm, freeze-dried urine and of course a big ol' jug of Bennie Microbes as opposed to Bennie & The Jets
 
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My evidence is anecdotal....

I'm not sure of the total "recipe" of what was used but something like this:
Spray with merit/eagle 20 upon obtaining new plants
House & garden root
house & garden veg formula/ sometimes would change
Various other "veg" assortments
Eagle 20 spray going into flower/Maybe merit
House & garden flower/ sometime would change
Bloom booster
various other "bloom" assortments

I was never given the entire recipe..

Cuts taken before flowering
Was hitting over way over 1 elbow per light/ Sometime 2lb per
Pushing to the limit was the game, if you know what I mean...
As cycles progressed with same strain, weight would decrease
Taste and characteristics decreased.
Plant would end up showing strange growth, mutations etc..
Happened several times throughout the years and they would just change strands.
Was a commercial grow..
AND I have heard several similar stories..
I contributed the whole degradation thing to the chemi's. I maybe wrong but when it quacks like a duck, I call it a duck....
Actually now that I think about I believe they degraded all strains they touched...

Fair enough...that is an excellent answer. I would almost bet it is the miticide, fungicide that did the damage...guessing the One and BO have not had that done to them.
 

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Just gave the old soil a quick mix-up smelling lovely and sweet.. Not got any mycelium growth tho like what cann had is that unusual to not get it? its been cycling prob 10 days so far
 

Cann

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plus who knows what the city might spray?

Cann, if this question crosses your mind when you are looking at some potential botanicals to harvest, I would pass!

Also - where are you getting rice hulls local?

Good call...I'll definitely pass on the botanicals. Nothing is organic around here...unless I am growing it lol.

As far as rice hulls, I drive down to Norco to the feed shops and I can get stuff called PermaStall (Rice hulls, montmorillonite, and DE) for something like $10 for 6cuft bale..not bad at all. not organic - but that is not gonna happen around here.

Also hit me up if you get 500 coconuts lol...i'll help take em off your hands :biggrin:

coot - you sure you don't want these type of bennies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxJnyhlDU5Q lmao
 

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I like the discussions of using a briefly brewed botanical tea, rather than fermented. Secondary Metabolites don't survive long enough to be present in the FPE.

Once again, simpler is actually better.
 

Cann

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so what counts as a "brief brew"? I have some alfalfa seeds that are just starting to germinate, I'll let the tap roots get about 1/2 inch long - then what should I do?

I was planning on filling with water and then letting the sprouts sit for 24-48 hrs maybe with a bubble stone in the mix. should i reconsider?
 

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coot - you sure you don't want these type of bennies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxJnyhlDU5Q lmao
It will take hours to get that one out of my head and I was already challenged enough from listening to a free album I downloaded yesterday.

It's a collection of songs by a group of women who call themselves the "Elevator Gals" and it appears that they're probably from MILF Island singing acapella using famous rock 'n roll songs but with their twist - like The Cat Scratched My Beaver or Spunky Town from the disco era.

Good times indeed!
 

cyat

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coot.. just wanna say thanks again!

the emulsified neem has eradicated my fungus gnat/ root aphid problem... much better results than imidicloprid....

noticed a lot of people posting in this thread have used neem in some way with similar results..

after months of checking for the bastards, I know this works

Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!
 

Cann

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ha - sorry coots I couldnt resist...the video is that bad lol

now, I have a decent amount of plants who will be finishing this cycle in Roots 707 soil, and I want to improve the soil a bit somehow...I am definitely going to apply a neem cake/EWC top dress, but I was wondering if you would recommend top dressing anything else. Maybe some crab shell? kelp meal? I just want these ladies to be happy as possible...and a systemic pest/PM deterrent can't hurt. Obviously this will be a non-issue once my soil mixes are done cooking, but for now? also if I recall you used to top dress something like 1tbs for each gallon of the pot...or am I way off base there? and what about that bokashi grain in the soil experiment...am I hallucinating that or didn't LD and Chunk have a little something goin on there? information overload lol
 

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now, I have a decent amount of plants who will be finishing this cycle in Roots 707 soil, and I want to improve the soil a bit somehow...I am definitely going to apply a neem cake/EWC top dress, but I was wondering if you would recommend top dressing anything else. Maybe some crab shell? kelp meal? I just want these ladies to be happy as possible...and a systemic pest/PM deterrent can't hurt. Obviously this will be a non-issue once my soil mixes are done cooking, but for now? also if I recall you used to top dress something like 1tbs for each gallon of the pot...or am I way off base there? and what about that bokashi grain in the soil experiment...am I hallucinating that or didn't LD and Chunk have a little something goin on there? information overload lol
Cann

1. Yes I did run an experiment where I used every seed meal available at the farm store along with kelp, neem with a rice hull base and the best description that I can provide is simply 'without merit' and that's being kind.

2. You can't go wrong, ever, with top-dressing with EWC and use that as a top-dress to the materials you asked about, crab, neem, etc. like a pan of lasagna or something like that.

Here's a video you'll actually like from Ijahman Levi - Jah Heavy Load

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtqJfFeITiY
 

Cann

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lol alright I'll take your word on the experiment being "without merit"

it's funny cause my bokashi bran bag says to add 1/3c per cuft to soil mix lol...who knows where they got that one from...

and its funny you post an Ijahman Levi video - I was just listening to the other Ijahman levi song you posted here around page 200 or so. thanks for that :)

so if I go pick up some coconut water later from the health food store, I can dilute 1:15 and water my ladies? any tips on where to find fresh coconut in so-cal? besides BJW if he orders that case lol

and what do you think about rrog's comment about secondary metabolites vs. FPE.

trying to figure out what to do with the botanicals/sprouts I have lined up

thanks again :) you help wayyy more than you know
 
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