Living organic soil from start through recycling

[Gardens Keeper]

P.S. 5 gallons of water = 41.5 lbs

And we will just ignore the destruction of synthetic chems on natural farm land and the sea like the great barrier reef as recent scientific studies seem to suggest.

Revelations that chemical fertiliser pollution is driving the significant and ongoing loss of coral on the Great Barrier Reef highlights the urgent need for intervention by the Australian and Queensland Governments, WWF-Australia said today

http://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?206333/Australias-Great-Barrier-Reef-destroyed-by-Crown-of-Thorns

 

[Gascanastan]

Gascanastan

Back to growing 'dank' and such - I'm very nervous and concerned on a condition that I've seen on the TO plants this cycle and it ties into the 'schooling' that you got over 'band-aid cures' and such by one of the resident 'dank experts' - purple stems.

My situation is much, much worse - I've got purple stalks! But the entire stalk isn't purple bu rather the purple is in stripes running vertically - oh my!

Does this mean that I almost have my pH in line so that's why I'm only getting stripes or does it mean that I'm drifting out of a safe pH range?

Molybdenum issues? Manganese?

Troubling times indeed......

CC

I'm sorry my friend..I can not help you. This issue and curing it has evaded me since it's inception into the cannabis gardening realm.
I am at a loss...perplexed as to why that purple in the stem is something to be concerned about at all....yet some big-wigs think it's something to concern yourself over....
I've never seen any noticeable difference between the same exact type and cut that had more purple in the stem than any of the other cuts.

 

[ClackamasCootz]

P.S. 5 gallons of water = 41.5 lbs

And we will just ignore the destruction of synthetic chems on natural farm land and the sea like the great barrier reef as recent scientific studies seem to suggest.



http://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?206333/Australias-Great-Barrier-Reef-destroyed-by-Crown-of-Thorns

^^^^word

 

[Gascanastan]

P.S. 5 gallons of water = 41.5 lbs

And we will just ignore the destruction of synthetic chems on natural farm land and the sea like the great barrier reef as recent scientific studies seem to suggest.



http://wwf.panda.org/wwf_news/?206333/Australias-Great-Barrier-Reef-destroyed-by-Crown-of-Thorns

How fantastic is it that most of the food grown in the US is grown with Anhydrous ammonia....mmmmm tasty.

I'm sure most have seen these tanks which are dragged behind tractors that have injectors to directly charge the soil with the liquid gas. Tweekers are always trying to break the locks to get the gas for use in cooking up meth...double,and maybe even triple the health and environmental impacts after that.

http://nebraska.farmergoestomarket....lating-food-technology-why-annhydrous-ammonia

 

[unclefishstick]

Zoiks Shaggy..

I feel for ya Unc...time to bump up herb production and grow your ass up the food chain. Fuck that job...grow organic herb instead...ya know like Mr. Gashole here..it's been my bread and butter for nearly 20 years.

You can do it~

Organic herb peeps are like fine wine peeps....if it isn't up there with the best of them,everything else is crap....especially if you have enough olfactory senses left from sniffing glue to discern the difference between something that smells and tastes like burning tires compared to the unrivaled flavors and epic highs quality organic cannabis can deliver...seriously some of the most attentive people on this planet.

i agree with you 100% about organics being wholly superior no matter what you are growing as well as more sustainable and all that,and absolutely the regulars in this thread have demonstrated over and over a much more complex understanding of the subject than anyone else on the site.i have nothing but respect for you guys and im learning loads and loads from my reading here.
im trying to quit,i never actually needed the job..not to put too fine a point on things but i aint running a charity in the garage....

Not exactly....think about what goes into making a plastic bottle..even if they recycle the plastic for the molds,that is a massive amount of plastic molding beads to be shipped to the molding facility and then shipped to packaging facilities where it is then shipped to distributors.

Each molding machine is massive and requires industrial amounts of energy to heat,melt,inject,eject..and run non-stop 8 hrs a day..
That's just the bottles alone...few people are on the 'grow for free with what you can find around you' trip....most are just going to mix soil and fill pots then grow some Scooby-Kush under a 400 watt HPS...these type of organic peeps want what they can go and buy at the dro-store or garden center. This bag..that bag..etc.....but environmental costs aren't my area of specialization..so I'll let those guys take this one...

sort of my point,you guys are the 1% even among organic soil growers...and im assuming at least some of the stuff you use comes in plastic bags...

Also, instead of arguing that the organics "must contain stuff shipped from all over"

I could very easily use all local sources and make an excellent soil batch... the great thing is that I don't have to and the organics for me right now only extends to the quality of my product and not to the entire carbon footprint of an industry.

As I learn more and more, I'm certain I can easily grow with some good soil, compost, rocks and chicken shit with egg shells etc... just from around my house.

I think the veganic nutrient bottles are interesting, but that is like saying that bottled water is better for the environment than all of those pesky at home water filters. Once I mix my soil, I'm good for a LONG Long time... no buying more stuff.

Edit: Also, I feel that local industries could pop up and be supported... Just swing by the organic guy's house and get some fresh FPE's, Compost Tea's and locally sourced amendments.... ???

once again,most people want the easy off the shelf solution,i would love to be able to get locally sourced good quality organics,just not an easy task for someone on a bicycle...

Except that you're stating 'facts' that are not 'facts'

How does sourcing 'bottled organic gunk' from China equal 'smaller carbon footprints' - or are you claiming that the grow store products are formulated in the USA?

And even if they were, which they are not, how does having Botanicare sourcing crap alfalfa from wherever result in 'smaller carbon footprint' vs. buying legitimate local alfalfa from certified organic growers for $15.00 per 50 lbs. bags?

The business model for grow stores is to sell the customer THE worst possible excuse for potting soil, load them up with magical, mythical and mystical bottles with goofy labels that rack up big commissions for the 'guy at the grow store'

Get 'em on the treadmill so that the kid who failed at selling cheap plastic handsets at the Verizon kiosk at the mall now has viable career options.

But here's my favorite sales pitch at grow stores:

"A lot of the big growers use this!" - coupled with a stupid look on their face.

Translation: "This crap really beefs up my commission"

Without terms like 'proprietary ingredients' and Cal-Mag Lockout and especially pH mythology, this industry would be f*cked 10 ways to Sunday.

And then there's the entire OMRI scam played to perfection by NGW, Sun Light Mfg., et al.

CC

we sure dont get any sort of commission here,im not sure why you think that,indeed the margins are fairly tight on 90% of the stuff in the store,i certainly wont credit the owner with being a saint,but i certainly dont work for hitler either...
the nute i use are made in california,i honestly have little idea where the ingredients are sourced from.

and what i actually said was economy of scale suggest...not this is an absolute true incontrovertible fact,but i would still argue economic efficiency is at least somewhat related to energy efficiency.

 

[OrganicLearner]

Black mayonnaise!? Damn you pure blend pro and botanicletus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrUVLpFaUoM&list=PLC4FDC39F67466711&index=5&feature=plcp

 

[YosemiteSam]

Gascanastan

Back to growing 'dank' and such - I'm very nervous and concerned on a condition that I've seen on the TO plants this cycle and it ties into the 'schooling' that you got over 'band-aid cures' and such by one of the resident 'dank experts' - purple stems.

My situation is much, much worse - I've got purple stalks! But the entire stalk isn't purple bu rather the purple is in stripes running vertically - oh my!

Does this mean that I almost have my pH in line so that's why I'm only getting stripes or does it mean that I'm drifting out of a safe pH range?

Molybdenum issues? Manganese?

Troubling times indeed......

CC

Obviously this time your plants are only going to be half dank. Bad luck...perhaps one of ANs hundreds of bloom boosters can still pull it out for you.

So I finally think I got my DOH moment. For whatever reason it did not occur to me that the Stutzman farm chicken manure compost was, in fact, compost.

So I put like 4 cubic ft of it into 300 gallons of crappy bagged soil with virtually no cec, added a few minerals and it grows pretty good plants without any real trouble.

But what if 1/3 of my mix were an even more complete compost, with a much wider range of minerals, some paramagnetic value, and a really nice variety of microbiology.

DOH. I was blind but now I see...it really ain't rocket science.

 

[Gascanastan]

Ditch the fucking bike man....time to get that Subaru Outback....used even. You can't be a gawd damned Knight riding a peddle bike man...

...or not..j/k...we're here for ya bro~

.... what do I know I haven't even smoked yet this fine day...I'm starting to feel 'normal'...time for some G/Haze~

 

[Neo 420]

DTE - Soy ink for the print and the box can be composted or used as mulch.... Clean footprints baby.....

 

[unclefishstick]

its been almost 10 years since i gave up having a car,i will consider it when my insurance cost is no longer tied to my shitty credit score....

i apologize if i have stepped on any toes here,it certainly wasnt my intention. i'm here to learn,so i will just keep my goofy opinions to myself in the future..

 

[Gascanastan]

its been almost 10 years since i gave up having a car,i will consider it when my insurance cost is no longer tied to my shitty credit score....

i apologize if i have stepped on any toes here,it certainly wasnt my intention. i'm here to learn,so i will just keep my goofy opinions to myself in the future..

...fuck credit.....what's that? Have you considered a new identity?

..being a former 'big-time' grower and doing the 5 MM due people that couldn't hold their guts...I came out of the joint w/nothing but the knowledge I had going in.....(and the few meth recipes shared on a nightly basis in audible clarity that were involuntary pounded into my brain by tweekers for five fucking years).

What got me back to life......my own ass making it happen w/out any assistance from Babylon. Once a felon on paper opportunity is no longer provided by society easily... unless your an outlaw.
Once you have that kind of a history on paper your Babylon life is on perma-fucked...so I have to actually think about logistics more than ever for the eventual cash pay off to propagate my existence here in Babylon.

....it works because failure is not an option....and nature for me is something that doesn't fail. Once I handed that trust back over to her my entire life changed...
..and when I say,"handed back over"..I mean that I never even knew my very humanity was in tune with such a thing due to being raised in this American consumer based society.
So now the most important and valuable thing I own is my soil and compost pile...seriously. There is no material possession I own that has that great of value and potential other than the very sheltered 'box' the cannabis is grown in perhaps.

How's that for a Haze laden rant..or whatever it is...

 

[Neo 420]

...fuck credit.....what's that? Have you considered a new identity?

..being a former 'big-time' grower and doing the 5 MM due people that couldn't hold their guts...I came out of the joint w/nothing but the knowledge I had going in.....(and the few meth recipes shared on a nightly basis in audible clarity that were involuntary pounded into my brain by tweekers for five fucking years).

What got me back to life......my own ass making it happen w/out any assistance from Babylon. Once a felon on paper opportunity is no longer provided by society easily... unless your an outlaw.
Once you have that kind of a history on paper your Babylon life is on perma-fucked...so I have to actually think about logistics more than ever for the eventual cash pay off to propagate my existence here in Babylon.

....it works because failure is not an option....and nature for me is something that doesn't fail. Once I handed that trust back over to her my entire life changed...
..and when I say,"handed back over"..I mean that I never even knew my very humanity was in tune with such a thing due to being raised in this American consumer based society.
So now the most important and valuable thing I own is my soil and compost pile...seriously. There is no material possession I own that has that great of value and potential other than the very sheltered 'box' the cannabis is grown in perhaps.

How's that for a Haze laden rant..or whatever it is...

@GAS
You may not vote on any more threads today
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gascanastan again.

Powerful........

 

[MileHighGuy]

And this thermos... All I need is this Compost Pile and My Thermos.

hahaha

 

[ClackamasCootz]

So I finally think I got my DOH moment. For whatever reason it did not occur to me that the Stutzman farm chicken manure compost was, in fact, compost.

Yosemite Sam

Yeah, it's definitely fully composted. It's fine for the raised beds for prepping them for winter - some Stutzman's, kelp, neem, rock dust and a couple of hits here & there with alfalfa pellets (organic) then covered them with fresh comfrey leaves and topped all of that off with about 6" of thermal compost and even that is certified organic.

Next up will be to plant the cover crop seeds I picked up at a neighborhood farm store that they made up with 12 different seeds, the usual ones.

CC

 

[unclefishstick]

...fuck credit.....what's that? Have you considered a new identity?

..being a former 'big-time' grower and doing the 5 MM due people that couldn't hold their guts...I came out of the joint w/nothing but the knowledge I had going in.....(and the few meth recipes shared on a nightly basis in audible clarity that were involuntary pounded into my brain by tweekers for five fucking years).

What got me back to life......my own ass making it happen w/out any assistance from Babylon. Once a felon on paper opportunity is no longer provided by society easily... unless your an outlaw.
Once you have that kind of a history on paper your Babylon life is on perma-fucked...so I have to actually think about logistics more than ever for the eventual cash pay off to propagate my existence here in Babylon.

....it works because failure is not an option....and nature for me is something that doesn't fail. Once I handed that trust back over to her my entire life changed...
..and when I say,"handed back over"..I mean that I never even knew my very humanity was in tune with such a thing due to being raised in this American consumer based society.
So now the most important and valuable thing I own is my soil and compost pile...seriously. There is no material possession I own that has that great of value and potential other than the very sheltered 'box' the cannabis is grown in perhaps.

How's that for a Haze laden rant..or whatever it is...

i have spent the last few years barely able to keep enough food in the house and just one small step ahead of being homeless,so on some level i can relate.slowly but surely i feel i am grasping the reins of life and getting to a place where i can actually live as opposed to simply existing,and the garden is of course a huge part of that.like i said,i aint running a charity here,i do my best to provide a product that is a "clean" as possible..within the greater overall context of my life,so right now,the "v-ganics" thing is working for me,once im out of debt (soon...) i intend to more fully embrace living soil organics,as well as having my own veggie gardens and the like,small steps,it isnt easy to bootstrap yourself into a new life paradigm,theres a lot i still need to learn to make that feasible..

 

[Neo 420]

And this thermos... All I need is this Compost Pile and My Thermos.

hahaha

All I need is my thermos, my compost and shithead...


Classic movie!!

 

[Microbeman]

Gascanastan

Back to growing 'dank' and such - I'm very nervous and concerned on a condition that I've seen on the TO plants this cycle and it ties into the 'schooling' that you got over 'band-aid cures' and such by one of the resident 'dank experts' - purple stems.

My situation is much, much worse - I've got purple stalks! But the entire stalk isn't purple bu rather the purple is in stripes running vertically - oh my!

Does this mean that I almost have my pH in line so that's why I'm only getting stripes or does it mean that I'm drifting out of a safe pH range?

Molybdenum issues? Manganese?

Troubling times indeed......

CC

You are doomed...no hope

 

[Microbeman]

Unklefish; The whole scenario really kicks in when people who are growing organically realize that their soil is as alive as the plants or more so...then there is no need to truck in heavy bags of anything. If you want the bottled botanicals, instead you can pull up dandelions, yarrow, nettles, mullien, borage, burdock, houndstoungue, mustard, wormwood, buttercups, mallow, horsetail fern, comfrey....whatever grows along the boulevard & train tracks...mix it up with water and there you go. You can also make amazing quantitities of vermicompost under the kitchen sink. You don't need to send away for Azomite or Gaia glacier powder...get some river/creek sand/gravel or/and buy some driller's mud. Once these thought processes and actions kick in, it is super cheap to grow beautifully....just keep your soil alive.

The consumer problems begin when one does not give their soil a chance to come to life.

Also what Gas & Coot said

 

[Gascanastan]

You are doomed...no hope

..."look mommy,that poor man...wandering the waste land of
cannamis-information"



"driller's mud".....heck Hoss that thar's what's some folks call Bentonite by golly...ain't it not?

 

[Microbeman]

its been almost 10 years since i gave up having a car,i will consider it when my insurance cost is no longer tied to my shitty credit score....

i apologize if i have stepped on any toes here,it certainly wasnt my intention. i'm here to learn,so i will just keep my goofy opinions to myself in the future..

How did you get your soil home? When I began growing organic, I made one trip for some stuff in 5 years.