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[PaulieWaulie]

I hope this is okay to ask here...

I ordered basalt dust but received fine granules instead. I know the dust will more quickly break down in the presence of the right microbes. Should I return the granules and order dust?

Im no expert but granules will be ok, it will be more of a slow gradual process of it breaking down and being available.

Rock dusts in general are slow release over few years, and are mainly micronutrients and are hard to over do. You might be able to use a few cups per cubic foot mix and be ok for a few years that way.


Or just crush them up.

 

[brown_thumb]

I ordered basalt dust but received fine granules instead. I know the dust will more quickly break down in the presence of the right microbes. Should I return the granules and order dust?

Im no expert but granules will be ok, it will be more of a slow gradual process of it breaking down and being available.

Rock dusts in general are slow release over few years, and are mainly micronutrients and are hard to over do. You might be able to use a few cups per cubic foot mix and be ok for a few years that way.


Or just crush them up.

Right. Granules break down more slowly than powder/dust even under optimum conditions of PH and good organic matter feeding the microbes which break them down into usable minerals. I'm wondering if the granules will do any good in the short term vs. dust. I don't have the capability to crush the granules into dust. I don't want to wait years before the granules do any good. Maybe I'll use both.

 

[PaulieWaulie]

Right. Granules break down more slowly than powder/dust even under optimum conditions of PH and good organic matter feeding the microbes which break them down into usable minerals. I'm wondering if the granules will do any good in the short term vs. dust. I don't have the capability to crush the granules into dust. I don't want to wait years before the granules do any good. Maybe I'll use both.

Why can't you crush them? Are you weak ?

 

[brown_thumb]

Why can't you crush them? Are you weak ?

Yes, largely so these days. But that's not the problem. It would take a very long time to crush the granules into a true powder and even then, it could never be powdered as finely as they do with machines. Also, I have other things I need to put my time into. At any rate, the seller made the error so if this is useless to me in the short term then I need to return it and buy the dust... or use it in addition to true dust.

 

[Lapides]

I don't know how much you need, but I think a food blender that has any modest strength to it should powderize that shit for you.

 

[brown_thumb]

I don't know how much you need, but I think a food blender that has any modest strength to it should powderize that shit for you.

I guess that might work but wouldn't it dull the blades?

 

[Weird]

Having used all the referenced recipes I settled on a variation of LC's/Coot's mix for recycling with tweaks based on experience and microbeman's input on microbiology in the soil and Lapides provided an effective and functional take of LC's mix as well which helped reduce some of the learning curve.

posted my mix and schedule enough I won't spam the forums with it but I am certainly satisfied with the results

 

[Weird]

I guess that might work but wouldn't it dull the blades?

score an old on in at a yard sale or thrift store

I have an old one from the 50s for that purpose

 

[Weird]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8090326&postcount=8

someone asked for my soil mix and digging around I noticed livingorganicsoil.org is gone

ohh the irony

where is the mod that spent all the time there or all the trolls trying to get people on their money train?

lol if you can't pay the bills growing who the fuck are you anyway? ohh most the guys selling picks and shovels to gold miners LOL



shame most of people's heroes in this game are frauds and shams

 

[redlaser]

Im looking at doing a side by side of the 3 Main Basic Mixes By Burn 1, Coot, and Gascanstan.

Gascanstan's Mix seems to be more than 2X to 4X as high in amendments to the Coot Mix on a per Cubic Foot basis. Anyone have any thoughts input or experience on that?

(Ammendments Per/Cubic Foot)
Gascanstan

1 Cup Crab Meal
2 Cup Kelp Meal
2 Cup Fish Meal
2 Cup Fish Bone Meal
1/2 Cup SUL-PO-MAG
1 Cup Neem Seed
1/2 Cup Alfalfa Meal
1/4 Cup Lime Mix

COOTZ

1/2 Cup Neem Meal
1/2 Cup Kelp
1/2 Cup Crab Meal
4 Cups Rock MIX (4 Parts Glacial Rock Dust, 1 Part Bentonite, 1 Part Oyster Shell, 1 Part Basalt)

After putting together the coots mix last year and getting it tested after one cycle, I would not use rOck dust again, and probably not use kelp and crab much.

For minerals I used 1.5-2 cups per cu ft of a five equal part blend consisting of gypsum, rOck dust, wollastinite, SRP, and dolomite lime.

This year I will be removing 1/3-1/2 of last years mix and diluting what’s left with aeration and peat.

Problems being addressed K at 559 ppm, Mg at 559, iron at 210, zinc 43, aluminum at 714, sodium at 451 ppm.

That gascan recipe looks light in minerals and heavy on all else

 

[Coughie]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8090326&postcount=8

someone asked for my soil mix and digging around I noticed livingorganicsoil.org is gone

ohh the irony

where is the mod that spent all the time there or all the trolls trying to get people on their money train?

lol if you can't pay the bills growing who the fuck are you anyway? ohh most the guys selling picks and shovels to gold miners LOL



shame most of people's heroes in this game are frauds and shams

LOS.org has been down for a while now,
He switched the forum to "his varieties only" and the forum basically killed itself.



Coot's mix kills it.

Gas altered the mix to try to use cheaper ingredients that are easier to source.
But he changed the ratios so much that it seems like he went and did his own thing.

Coot's original mix is while I use.

 

[VortexPower420]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8090326&postcount=8

someone asked for my soil mix and digging around I noticed livingorganicsoil.org is gone

ohh the irony

where is the mod that spent all the time there or all the trolls trying to get people on their money train?

lol if you can't pay the bills growing who the fuck are you anyway? ohh most the guys selling picks and shovels to gold miners LOL



shame most of people's heroes in this game are frauds and shams

I know they took a good thing and went for the money. The greedy jerk got what he got selling shitty seeds and ripping off old timers for their ideas will never get you very far.

 

[Weird]

I know they took a good thing and went for the money. The greedy jerk got what he got selling shitty seeds and ripping off old timers for their ideas will never get you very far.

most every one showed their skirts when it came to the their true knowledge and more importantly their experience regarding this plant and it lead to a number of years of conflict here as I actually ran with the methodology and made it work no bullshit no shortcuts no games and even the mods where clueless and went with the flow

still here calling out bullshit and bullshitters putting my mother fucking money where my mouth is but I get it

most people have ulterior motives and are fucking stupid enough to think that there aren't people with the same motives and that those people don't see right through their fake asses

and i still get low life fucks like mikell trolling me about a differential they can't realize with their own skills, that is verified by science and is the difference in maintaining value in this market but be fucked if they don't come at me like a moth tot he flame.

yet none of them will take a 10-1 on their money bet that they are full of shit and it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt but let's face the reality

if they deny the variation of expression due environmental difference your either a neophyte or an outright liar and if they can't get like primary metabolite growth using all methodology they don't even have an apples to apples foundation to compare secondary expression aka phenotype versus chemotype and the differences in how they react to environmental inputs

really gross the amount of diversion and distraction that came from people only looking to lower the bar on the spread sustainable and organic practices

I am still here sharing for no purpose other than to show the influence of those who contributed before me out of gratitude

but I got a lot of nice gardens to be grateful about maybe if people real motives was a proper garden for everyone this bullshit would never happen

but hey this isn't aimed at you but boy am I still pissed at everything that went down and at the malignancy that people brought to this community

Even burn one took off for a while and as much as people might point to me for confronting the problem it was people trying to siphon the resources of this sight and slight the competing contributions that ruined it

like I said karma is its own reward and is still coming around to roost and I am here to watch it and I was here warning about it and providing contribution without a fucked up agenda

I am one of the only mother fuckers on the web who hasn't been working a seed/pot/supply company agenda in the background trying to network the fuck out of connects in a simple open source forum but simply sharing my success in a very competitive market

and gypsy wonders why I am so pissed, it is the collective resource of all those who contributed and in some way they all get fucked when this happens

live and learn, swim or sink, ill still be growing weed long after the gold rush comes and goes

 

[shawkmon]

Pufffs

 

[Rodehazrd]

After putting together the coots mix last year and getting it tested after one cycle, I would not use rOck dust again, and probably not use kelp and crab much.

For minerals I used 1.5-2 cups per cu ft of a five equal part blend consisting of gypsum, rOck dust, wollastinite, SRP, and dolomite lime.

This year I will be removing 1/3-1/2 of last years mix and diluting what’s left with aeration and peat.

Problems being addressed K at 559 ppm, Mg at 559, iron at 210, zinc 43, aluminum at 714, sodium at 451 ppm.
That gascan recipe looks light in minerals and heavy on all else

I am just building a raised bed in my 7x9 flower room and I see a lot of posts about K and Mg levels being hard to keep down in a no till bed. In addressing your issues what do you do to keep a balance? More gypsum?

 

[PaulieWaulie]

After putting together the coots mix last year and getting it tested after one cycle, I would not use rOck dust again, and probably not use kelp and crab much.

For minerals I used 1.5-2 cups per cu ft of a five equal part blend consisting of gypsum, rOck dust, wollastinite, SRP, and dolomite lime.

This year I will be removing 1/3-1/2 of last years mix and diluting what’s left with aeration and peat.

Problems being addressed K at 559 ppm, Mg at 559, iron at 210, zinc 43, aluminum at 714, sodium at 451 ppm.

That gascan recipe looks light in minerals and heavy on all else

You want to use less kelp because your test showed high K? I always thought that with such a low somewhat balanced NPK and all the other touted benefits people would put in way more than just 1/2 cup per cubic foot. I was thinking at least 1 cup. Thats just my thinking though, probably flawed. Where is the magnesium coming from ? Ive always been worried about not having a magnesium source if im not going to be using 1 cup dolomite lime per cubic foot mix. Hearing that magnesium can be more of a problem of being in excess in re used soils is good news, now I can maybe cut out buying Sul-Po-Mag

 

[redlaser]

I am just building a raised bed in my 7x9 flower room and I see a lot of posts about K and Mg levels being hard to keep down in a no till bed. In addressing your issues what do you do to keep a balance? More gypsum?

I’m not sure if gypsum would help with the K and Mg, possibly using it to flush the soil somewhat would be helpful.

Probably going to basically dilute the soil mix I have by removing 1/3-1/2 of volume and replacing with more aeration and peat moss. Not a massive project, but not small either.

Looking back on making that mix, it’s a lot easier to add something if your short after making it, removing excess not as easy, if even possible

 

[redlaser]

You want to use less kelp because your test showed high K? I always thought that with such a low somewhat balanced NPK and all the other touted benefits people would put in way more than just 1/2 cup per cubic foot. I was thinking at least 1 cup. Thats just my thinking though, probably flawed. Where is the magnesium coming from ? Ive always been worried about not having a magnesium source if im not going to be using 1 cup dolomite lime per cubic foot mix. Hearing that magnesium can be more of a problem of being in excess in re used soils is good news, now I can maybe cut out buying Sul-Po-Mag

Removing the kelp should cut down the K, but mostly I’m cutting back on inputs coming from the ocean because of high sodium.

I’m not sure about the high magnesium, I suspect the rOck dust, but could be coming from somewhere else. Same with iron and zinc and aluminum, probably rock dust IMO.

I figured a lot of these inputs had a fair amount of leeway, meaning they weren’t available 100% from when applied, only partially available as they are broken down and made available.

This soil mix was watered in with Lactic acid bacteria and also had added homemade Bokashi, had 10% castings and 10% humus, so maybe that helped with making everything more available faster.

 

[VortexPower420]

most every one showed their skirts when it came to the their true knowledge and more importantly their experience regarding this plant and it lead to a number of years of conflict here as I actually ran with the methodology and made it work no bullshit no shortcuts no games and even the mods where clueless and went with the flow

still here calling out bullshit and bullshitters putting my mother fucking money where my mouth is but I get it

most people have ulterior motives and are fucking stupid enough to think that there aren't people with the same motives and that those people don't see right through their fake asses

and i still get low life fucks like mikell trolling me about a differential they can't realize with their own skills, that is verified by science and is the difference in maintaining value in this market but be fucked if they don't come at me like a moth tot he flame.

yet none of them will take a 10-1 on their money bet that they are full of shit and it can be proven without a shadow of a doubt but let's face the reality

if they deny the variation of expression due environmental difference your either a neophyte or an outright liar and if they can't get like primary metabolite growth using all methodology they don't even have an apples to apples foundation to compare secondary expression aka phenotype versus chemotype and the differences in how they react to environmental inputs

really gross the amount of diversion and distraction that came from people only looking to lower the bar on the spread sustainable and organic practices

I am still here sharing for no purpose other than to show the influence of those who contributed before me out of gratitude

but I got a lot of nice gardens to be grateful about maybe if people real motives was a proper garden for everyone this bullshit would never happen

but hey this isn't aimed at you but boy am I still pissed at everything that went down and at the malignancy that people brought to this community

Even burn one took off for a while and as much as people might point to me for confronting the problem it was people trying to siphon the resources of this sight and slight the competing contributions that ruined it

like I said karma is its own reward and is still coming around to roost and I am here to watch it and I was here warning about it and providing contribution without a fucked up agenda

I am one of the only mother fuckers on the web who hasn't been working a seed/pot/supply company agenda in the background trying to network the fuck out of connects in a simple open source forum but simply sharing my success in a very competitive market

and gypsy wonders why I am so pissed, it is the collective resource of all those who contributed and in some way they all get fucked when this happens

live and learn, swim or sink, ill still be growing weed long after the gold rush comes and goes

Fuckin A Weird, Here here to that. Keeping it real is the way to go.

I'm going to start coming back around these parts hopefully to spread some sustainable biological knowledge.

I have always admired you style and bluntness, its whats needed is the world of scamers, profit hawks and misinformation.

 

[VortexPower420]

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