Living organic soil from start through recycling CONTINUED...

[Lapides]

From what I understand, insect's exoskeleton is essentially chitin, so yes.

 

[PaulieWaulie]

Can anyone see any problems with this mix? I made it based on the recipes I have seen on here, adjusted a bit to what was available locally in bulk cheaply. Gonna mix it up if I don't hear any danger warnings from anyone in the next day or so. Muchly appreciated. I veg for 4-6 weeks usually with 1 plant per sq foot in the bloom room and in 3G pots that have about 2G of mix volume in it. I am ok with top dressing if they need a boost later on, and I have some liquid organic fert I can feed if need be as well.... so I do prefer on the light side so there is no burning or lockout issues.

Super Duper Soil
1 Cubic Foot = 7 Gallons

BASE
[ ] 3G PRO MIX HP (Recycled) (30% Perlite)
[ ] 2G Perlite
[ ] 1G Compost
[ ] 1/3G Guineapig Droppings
[ ] 1/3G Horse Manure
[ ] 1/3G Earthworm Castings

AMMENDMENTS

[ ] 1 Cup Bonemeal
[ ] 1 Cup Kelp Meal
[ ] 1 Cup Oyster Shell
[ ] 1 Cup Dehydrated Molasses
[ ] 1/2 Cup Alfalfa Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Blood Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Glacial Rock Dust
[ ] 1/4 Cup Azomite

 

[redneck shogun]

I could be wrong because my mix is a bit different, but my concern would be low magnesium. Epsom salts is a good option.

Can anyone see any problems with this mix? I made it based on the recipes I have seen on here, adjusted a bit to what was available locally in bulk cheaply. Gonna mix it up if I don't hear any danger warnings from anyone in the next day or so. Muchly appreciated. I veg for 4-6 weeks usually with 1 plant per sq foot in the bloom room and in 3G pots that have about 2G of mix volume in it. I am ok with top dressing if they need a boost later on, and I have some liquid organic fert I can feed if need be as well.... so I do prefer on the light side so there is no burning or lockout issues.

Super Duper Soil
1 Cubic Foot = 7 Gallons

BASE
[ ] 3G PRO MIX HP (Recycled) (30% Perlite)
[ ] 2G Perlite
[ ] 1G Compost
[ ] 1/3G Guineapig Droppings
[ ] 1/3G Horse Manure
[ ] 1/3G Earthworm Castings

AMMENDMENTS

[ ] 1 Cup Bonemeal
[ ] 1 Cup Kelp Meal
[ ] 1 Cup Oyster Shell
[ ] 1 Cup Dehydrated Molasses
[ ] 1/2 Cup Alfalfa Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Blood Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Glacial Rock Dust
[ ] 1/4 Cup Azomite

 

[wasgedn]

from what i have read here on ic : chitosan is processed chitin..
chitosan is plant available and dont need to breakdown by microbes...
chitosan is not easy at home produce able....
dont need much of it....its soluble...needs an hour...colder the water as longer it need to get soluble..
some supply sites packin in smaller packs 50gramm...1kg is fockin to expensive
sry dont remember threads...

you can use any chitin source...it just need to get break down in soil first....
crabs etc as supesoil amendment...chitosan is for watering...

 

[SoilGardener]

Hello!

I just wanted to say THANK YOU to all whom have contributed to this thread! I have been a thread creeper since 2012 and have never signed up for this forum, but always came back to check on the guys like Gas, Coot, BlueJay, rrog, CtGuy and more!

THANK YOU for providing this knowledge, these links, and your own experiences.

I am based out here in the Boston area and almost everyone still goes to the ---yuck---- hydro store for their botany and nutrition.

I only hope more people can come in tune with this awesome (and imho only way to grow)
growing paradigm.

Currently I run 3 1k de hps with 16 kessil h350/h380 LEDs in a small 8'x16' area using 15 gal no till living soil containers.

Some neat stuff where I live--- s I get an abundant amount of kelp, lobster, crab and oyster shells. All local from the beach or if I scuba dive. Just throw em in my worm bin with barley powder, neem meal and coffee grinds/food scraps from some local restaurants. WOrks great!

Happy to post, first time! Great to officially meet everyone, even though you all seem like friends of mine for the past five years or so now!

 

[SoilGardener]

Is this Tad from the KiS podcast? Just wanted to say THANKS! awesome, awesome job. Best cannabis podcast out there imho!

 

[Rodehazrd]

Can anyone see any problems with this mix? I made it based on the recipes I have seen on here, adjusted a bit to what was available locally in bulk cheaply. Gonna mix it up if I don't hear any danger warnings from anyone in the next day or so. Muchly appreciated. I veg for 4-6 weeks usually with 1 plant per sq foot in the bloom room and in 3G pots that have about 2G of mix volume in it. I am ok with top dressing if they need a boost later on, and I have some liquid organic fert I can feed if need be as well.... so I do prefer on the light side so there is no burning or lockout issues.

Super Duper Soil
1 Cubic Foot = 7 Gallons

BASE
[ ] 3G PRO MIX HP (Recycled) (30% Perlite)
[ ] 2G Perlite
[ ] 1G Compost
[ ] 1/3G Guineapig Droppings
[ ] 1/3G Horse Manure
[ ] 1/3G Earthworm Castings

AMMENDMENTS

[ ] 1 Cup Bonemeal
[ ] 1 Cup Kelp Meal
[ ] 1 Cup Oyster Shell
[ ] 1 Cup Dehydrated Molasses
[ ] 1/2 Cup Alfalfa Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Blood Meal
[ ] 1/2 Cup Glacial Rock Dust
[ ] 1/4 Cup Azomite

I would suggest some gypsum I use 1/3 cup gypsum per 5 gal of mix . If you are indeed low on Mg the gypsum may make that worse although I don't have much of that and I topdress with the gypsum during the stretch too. I do use a cal-mag drench twice (veg wk 5 and flower wks 1and 4) on all strains.

 

[Boyd Crowder]

mannnn....
i switched to organics 2 years ago because of this thread and this subforum
ive never looked back
I do drool over the huge buds i see in the coco and hydro forums
but i like the ease and low maintenence of organics
i dont know about all the subjective taste and quality stuff is true or hippydippy talk
i dont even care about that shit
I just can appreciate a water only run with teas being the icing on the cake
Thanks For this Thread and Subforum ICMAG!

 

[Weird]

well there is science behind the observations now

remove the https:// or it won't resolve

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0099641

lol but if it weren't for a bunch of hippy dippy observations that motivated people into activism pot would still be illegal

the organic movement is here because of the same exact influence

your statement "i don't care" afterwords sums up the status quo

doesn't mean there isn't something to care about

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1360138516000340



SpotlightSpecial Issue: Unravelling the Secrets of the Rhizosphere

The Soil-Borne Supremacy

The rhizosphere microbiome plays an important role in plant growth, nutrition and health. Recent research unearthed that plant genotype-dependent navigation of microbial community composition in the rhizosphere is associated with fitness consequences for the host plant, providing great promise for breeding soil-borne supremacy traits into future crops.

 

[PaulieWaulie]

I would suggest some gypsum I use 1/3 cup gypsum per 5 gal of mix . If you are indeed low on Mg the gypsum may make that worse although I don't have much of that and I topdress with the gypsum during the stretch too. I do use a cal-mag drench twice (veg wk 5 and flower wks 1and 4) on all strains.

Thanks for taking a look at the mix rode.

I did edit the mix some so this was the final version that I mixed a big batch of. Enough for 16X1G pots.
1 CUBIC FOOT BASE MIX
[x] 4 PARTS PRO MIX HP (30% Perlite)
[x] 2 PARTS WORM CASTINGS
[x] 1 PARTS PERLITE

40% PEAT
30% EWC
30% PERLITE


AMMENDMENTS

[x] 1 CUP BONE MEAL
[x] 1 CUP GLACIAL ROCK DUST
[x] 1/2 CUP KELP MEAL
[x] 1/2 CUP OYSTER SHELL
[x] 1/2 CUP DEHYDRATED MOLLASSES
[x] 1/2 CUP AZOMITE
[x] 1/4 CUP BLOOD MEAL
[x] 1/4 CUP ALFALFA MEAL


I didn't want to add dolomite lime, because of the alkalinity effect. I also have tap water that is borderline hard at 200ppm so it comes with 130ppm of calcium. So thats quite a bit with every watering. Gypsum is pure calcium from my understanding, no magnesium. no ph effect either, but oyster shells is similar then, and more natural sounding and slow release. plus chitin or no ? lol no chitin i think. I might get some insect frass.

I have lots of egshells in my compost, and it is my understanding that EWC have lots of calicum as well, (I use 2G per cubic foot of base mix). I decided to use 1/2 cup of oyster shells for calcium. If i see a magnesium def I will give epsom salts,or bottled organic nutes or hit em with a EWC/ guinea poo tea.

also heres my EWC bin ingredients

3 PARTS LEAVES/STEMS/ROOTBALLS
1 PARTS COMPOST (2 Years old)
1 PARTS PURE GUINEAPIG DROPPINGS (AGED 3 MONTHS)
1 PARTS HORSE MANURE (AGED 20 YEARS)
1 PARTS SHREDDED PAPER

 

[PaulieWaulie]

I just want really healthy plants with the least cost, work, and most sustainable. The fact that I can put rootballs leaves and stems into my worm bin, and then 3 months later plant the next run in it is awesome. Nothing except bud leaves my house! It only makes sense that the end product is better if its completely natural, so thats only a plus. Im not a smoker that will notice myself, and who knows if the custies can tell. I guess we will see.

 

[Boyd Crowder]

my tastebuds and smeller dont work like they used to weird, if they did , i could say something more along the lines of i do, but being an old fart whos drank and smoked his senses away over the last 5 decades

nope

i dont care

but im happy to read through actual science about hippydippy shit
so im grateful to you for sharing with us these docs

and im always happy to hear your opinions, you are a menotr to many here on the rag,including me, weird, so theres that

 

[Weird]

I don't care is laissez faire hippy dippy labels it pseudo science

this isn't pseudo science and not everyone who grows this way is putting around

since I am the one who pushes the anecdotal arguments I take offense to people banging up the organics forums but they don't bring the same uninformed doubt to the other forums

what's the benefit? but hey all I did is add some science to the table and label your I don't care as a common perception and told you how I interpret your choice of words

 

[Boyd Crowder]

and all i can say is im confused a bit at your reply as i usually am so i juust smile and nod a bit till the convo move away from me to someone else.
drunk posting rarely is wise for me lol
anyways, yeah i kinda sorta get you weird
and i kinda sorta follow that you are taking offense to my
kinda sorta lasse faire attitude
check , moving on now to my usual haunts

 

[Weird]

wasn't trying to make you feel unwelcome or unwanted

we are still on that "cutting edge" where their is more experiential information than academic and simply put dismissing that value really pushes people away from it

I was questioning the benefit of that dialog not your overall contribution

it isn't an attack on your persona but an attack on the traditional agricultural paradigm that dismisses organics in one brush stroke because the uncertainty due to lack of wherewithal

I am confident if you did a side by side LOS and chem in your vert setup your organic might outperform because how those plants handle heat and light stress would change so you would have to incorporate microbiology (or other methodology) to offset it

so there might be pragmatic benefits you haven't had a chance to realize but are one of the underlying reasons it works and equates to beneficial difference

 

[Weird]

moved my plants to the next room over for more space

canopy of 5.5 x 11.5

put up a mover and veg plants in these containers under LED and add DE lights as flowering continues starting with 400 LED watts to 800 LED to a mix DE and LED at 1400 and then about 1500 average watts DE for flower running at 18/6 12/12 11/13 respectively

so far the led in the beginning seemed to really contain the stretch which is traditionally problematic

No scrog, no gas, no ac, no dehumidifier, no chems, water only with a pinch of molasses

21 plants 8 strains

day 5

day 15

day 31

 

[Lapides]

Beautiful Weird!

Since we're showing, here are 2 plants cultivated in my artisan recycled soil with locally grown earthworms at about 2 weeks of 12/12 under 320 watts of DIY LED lighting-

 

[Thcvhunter]

moved my plants to the next room over for more space

canopy of 5.5 x 11.5

put up a mover and veg plants in these containers under LED and add DE lights as flowering continues starting with 400 LED watts to 800 LED to a mix DE and LED at 1400 and then about 1500 average watts DE for flower running at 18/6 12/12 11/13 respectively

so far the led in the beginning seemed to really contain the stretch which is traditionally problematic

No scrog, no gas, no ac, no dehumidifier, no chems, water only with a pinch of molasses

21 plants 8 strains

day 5

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day 15

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day 31

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Weird,

What is the science/logic behind not having a cover on that soil?
No mulch, no cover-crop, nothing.
Kinda looks like perlite?
And is that spun glass (rockwool)?

 

[Weird]

no rockwool

why do I need a cover crop or mulch? never used them.

I will topdress next planting as I always do.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Why cover crop or mulch, because its science.

Isnt that what you preach - science trumping habit?