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[Scrappy4]

Hello.
I am sorry if these questions have been answered already in this or other long threads that talk about organic growing, rols and no-till.
I have not read those threads fully yet but have read Teaming with microbes, Teaming with nutrients, One straw revolution, soul of soil and few books about growing cannabis, so I have some kind of idea what I am supposed to do, but i need help with few things.
I was going to use one of BurnOne's mixes but I think that I will start no-till garden using Gascanastan's mix in 3 gallon diy fabric pots with blumats with living mulch.

Questions I have:
1. Can I use bone meal at same dose as fish bone meal?
2. Can potassium sulfate be used as subsitude for langbeinite if so at what dose?
3. Can I use horse poo compost as subsitude for compost?

I am open to any sugestions if I should do something diferently.
Thank you for your time and sorry for my english I am finnish.

1) yes, no problem. Just remember bone meal is not mobile, so put it where you want it. Prolly not best top dressed, better as a soil additive, and mixed in the root zone.

2) not really, two different animals. Go very easy with langbeinite, a little goes a long way. I like a table spoon for 5 gallons of water once or twice in early flower. Putting it in soi,l I had burning.

3) yes, just make sure it's well composted. Horse manure works very well. Worms like it too, so if you have access to horse manure maybe you should also look at a worm farm.

 

[CannaBrix]

anybody have any idea if this is good shit?

http://www.humicgrowth.com/downloads/LiquidHumicAcidComplete_english.pdf

 

[DrFever]

anybody have any idea if this is good shit?

http://www.humicgrowth.com/downloads/LiquidHumicAcidComplete_english.pdf

I am not sure i always thought that although they are acids one binds and other transports also i always tend to use them seperate instead of here where they say they are together on that site
Personally its a marketing scam i think they mention 12 percent
May we suggest that you don't let yourself be fooled by deceptive marketing schemes of unethical competitors claiming to have the purest and most concentrated fulvic acid. NO STANDARD FULVIC ACID TESTING METHOD EXISTS! THAT IS A FACT. Insist on knowing whether their source deposit is a fresh-water origin deposit or a salt-water origin deposit. Also, if the competitor is claiming rediculously high fulvic acid percentages (anything more than 20%) insist on obtaining a photocopy of the ORIGINAL TEST RESULTS REPORT and not a substitute. Some unethical competitors simply type up their own alleged report and present it to you as if that bogus madeup report is the actual original report! Please don't fall for that old trick. Moreover, at one particular website the competitor disparages ALL competitors products by using the scare tactic and fraudulent statement that "EVERY Fulvic Acid product" from NEW MEXICO contains SODIUM BENZOATE!

 

[CannaBrix]

Sorry I have the powder.

They are saying fulvic acids do exist in their product.

Guess I should figure out if its salt/fresh water deposit source.

How can I tell if their product is legitimate?

 

[DrFever]

Personally honestly i have only used them in liquid forms seperate bottles i use humic in veg and fulvic in flower

if its cheap give it a try

 

[Cannavore]

here's where i'm at on my first rols adventure:

 

[heady blunts]

chem cross in a buncha dirt!

from stan's beans! week 4.

 

[exploziv]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying you guys are not right (at least some of you), but you could discuss it without throwin insults. Hope this helps.
Don't worry Weird, I don't care about negative rep, it's your opinion and I can understand that. But let's not run this thread into offtopic.

 

[yortbogey]

this pissing contest ..need to stop now .....

 

[heady blunts]

 

[Cannavore]

dirt porn

 

[Bongstar420]

I got my fulvic made from compost. Its powder and golden brown, not dark brown...hygrophobic proper...keeps stuff from precipitating very very well (like if you mix up CaNO3 + MgSO4 with it you won't get white precip). It is stated that "fulvic acid" is a range of compounds and is not a specific chemical. I don't particularly care. We just need to get that compost extract which the mined or otherwise is.

I am not sure i always thought that although they are acids one binds and other transports also i always tend to use them seperate instead of here where they say they are together on that site
Personally its a marketing scam i think they mention 12 percent
May we suggest that you don't let yourself be fooled by deceptive marketing schemes of unethical competitors claiming to have the purest and most concentrated fulvic acid. NO STANDARD FULVIC ACID TESTING METHOD EXISTS! THAT IS A FACT. Insist on knowing whether their source deposit is a fresh-water origin deposit or a salt-water origin deposit. Also, if the competitor is claiming rediculously high fulvic acid percentages (anything more than 20%) insist on obtaining a photocopy of the ORIGINAL TEST RESULTS REPORT and not a substitute. Some unethical competitors simply type up their own alleged report and present it to you as if that bogus madeup report is the actual original report! Please don't fall for that old trick. Moreover, at one particular website the competitor disparages ALL competitors products by using the scare tactic and fraudulent statement that "EVERY Fulvic Acid product" from NEW MEXICO contains SODIUM BENZOATE!

 

[MtnMicke]

New guy to IC here. I'm up to page 200 in the (closed) earlier portion of this thread. It'll be sometime before I'm caught up. For now, just want to thank all the info contributors to the thread who are so generous with their knowledge and time! Special thanks to Gascanastan and Clackamas Coots. It's been awhile since I've read and learned so much.

I'll save the q's for later since it seems every 20 or 30 pages answers some questions... and creates some new ones. I'm keeping notes due to my crummy memory - esp when stoned.

My plan is floating a bit, but it's currently about like this: 2nd grow. This time, LED lighting, BAS living organic soil, DIY SIP with maybe a new twist or two and possibly No Till if the first grow goes without major flubs.

Alright then, back to the reading.

mm

 

[CannaBrix]

I thought this thread was being cleared up.....

 

[Weird]

if you follow the history of the big bang and LOS threads he only came in here after he got heated in the big bang thread.

No contributions to living soil in any other manner.

But if there is truth to the technique im sure other people will get be able to duplicate and show similar results

 

[DrFever]

if you follow the history of the big bang and LOS threads he only came in here after he got heated in the big bang thread.

No contributions to living soil in any other manner.

But if there is truth to the technique im sure other people will get be able to duplicate and show similar results

Actually dude you got it all wrong for instance look at the month ?? i started posting in this thread ??? spring i do not grow organics indoor only outside..
this is a pot forum not some science forum for nerds .. going back to your Big bang thread which really was a joke
I am just a normal average guy using what ever house hold wastes from veggies to some fats into compost bin ..
THATS A FACT ....

Now again being outside its out to the elements of nature not some tent or basement grow or what ever insects rodents who the hell knows right
And also i am not some scientist about to bring this all to a science to prove good or bad.. i use what ever that is in my geological area or native lands .. period and trust me the garden is out standing with 0 nutrients being used only whats in the ground so please refrain from your gestures
rather then being negative you really are doing nothing to this thread ..
and really trolling if you look at it..
i add fats to my soil who cares if you like the idea give it a try i not then don't i really do not give a crap either way if you catch my drift

I was Replying to the person with fats and suggested what i would do thats it

 

[DrFever]

You suggested fats may stop stretch in flowering.

Unless you can support it (not just two pictures of two random plants), just stop.

You've said you've been using bacon fat forever. How is it then that your plant not stretching can be attributed to this? This is the first time you've seen no-stretch, but have been using fats all along. Even your grandfather has been using fats.

If you plants aren't stretching now, it is environmental, or something ELSE you've changed.

You've also determined "healthy soil" is the most efficient organism at breaking down fat. That just is NOT true.

Seems as though polar bears are better: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d...-fatty-foods-without-heart-harm/#.VZLXe_lVhHw

I bet their manure would make GREAT compost...

We have left the fat discussion at that a compost pile CAN break it down.
Most people and all universities think its a bad idea, others seem to be all for it.

Actually last time i grew outdoor was 6000 miles away now being back to my native lands and first time growing out door north of the 60 parallel literally and on land that we used fats,,
I guess as amendments dating back 45 years......
A family thing .
seeing no stretch is what i have observed so far ??? i am not crediting fats, but suggesting it might have done this i dunno its a guess like most scientific hypothesis just saying first time growing MJ in fat amended soils right thats MJ other veggies have always flourished in the soil ...
I stress that only amendments added to the soil EVER was

FATS
Veggie scraps
Coffee grinds
GRASS

would you like me to dig a hole i can show you tons of worms that are natural non added

 

[Payaso]

Well, all kiding aside, this is supposed to be an ORGANIC forum, and I do not see how pouring bacon grease in your soil mix is anything but troll fodder, and it is going to be problematic growing organic cannabis that way... so getting back on topic is the goal here.

I have living organic recycled soil in my container garden which is thriving. Unfortunately the locals say we can't grow cannabis, but we can grow culinary herbs. Even in the drought I'd say everything is quite vgorous, especially the oregano and tarragon.

 

[Baked Alaskan]

Does or has anyone ever used earthboxes? I've had incredible results, all the while using less nutrients less water and less time maintaining everything.

I use a living soil in the top four inches or so, plain water in the res and two fertilizer trenches with organic granular ferts. Only top water once with an ACT at flip to 12hrs.

My living soil is mostly homemade composts with old soil. My base is promix.

I think the combo of feeding the soil and feeding the plant (fert trenches) works great. The trenches supply nutrients without making the living soil too hot.

The last three plants I grew in AK were between 7&9 ounces each. With a five week veg after cuttings rooted.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Would be positive to hear more bokashi banter around here, I don't expect the regulars of this thread to be practicing bokashi, but its welcome technique.

Tarragon and sole is a fine pairing. Hi Payaso!!!