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LED and BUD QUALITY
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exoticrobotic
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I realize my photos suck but im going to work on that. I need a good camera anyway. But you can clearly see amber and trichome heads intact and larger than stalks. And those came from Agrobar720s. I actually feel like mine look more swollen than your HPS photo. The shit is delicious and heady and puts people DOWN. Anyone can call this “mids” if they like
It's a bit blurry but I can see some large resin heads.
exoticrobotic
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Corpselover Fat
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Amazing photo. What loupe is it?
You have steadier hands than me
It' just one of these. It's fiddly, but I can be quite, uhm, determined sometimes
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The quality of my cannabis was almost identical when I switched to LED from HPS, same clone same watts. At the time I switched I thought the LED was slightly better quality although not much in it.
Pics of buds are great but unless you do a side by side grow with same clone under same conditions you don't know shit. Then you need to do a blind smoke test. Saying that all LED grown cannabis lacks quality is just wrong.
Also LEDs are different from one another in ways that HPS is not, so it can also likely depend on the LED.
Pics of buds are great but unless you do a side by side grow with same clone under same conditions you don't know shit. Then you need to do a blind smoke test. Saying that all LED grown cannabis lacks quality is just wrong.
Also LEDs are different from one another in ways that HPS is not, so it can also likely depend on the LED.
exoticrobotic
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All this talk of crap led bud must be risking ad revenues hence the title change.
We just gonna focus only on leds now though??
I'll smoke my hid bud while you guys figure out how to sort out the leds.
The 3500k lm301b led resin heads look nice. I like the look and size of those resin heads.
We just gonna focus only on leds now though??
I'll smoke my hid bud while you guys figure out how to sort out the leds.
The 3500k lm301b led resin heads look nice. I like the look and size of those resin heads.
to Corpse: The high Kelvin LED is to imitate natural sunlight and more so to equal the spectrum at high elevation and equatorial sun. I have not seen a difference with lower Kelvin as I do not use it and never did. If you are satisfied with 3000K or lower then great. It will yield more I think.
High elevation sun is higher than 5000K btw. I grow landrace sativa strains so these are all high kelvin sun in their original lands.
High elevation sun is higher than 5000K btw. I grow landrace sativa strains so these are all high kelvin sun in their original lands.
Corpselover Fat
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All this talk of crap led bud must be risking ad revenues hence the title change.
We just gonna focus only on leds now though??
I'll smoke my hid bud while you guys figure out how to sort out the leds.
The 3500k lm301b led resin heads look nice. I like the look and size of those resin heads.
This is not the same thread
Corpselover Fat
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Ah, ok. I thought you might have tried both. I'm using 3500k, which I felt like might be good middle ground. The higher colour temps have a big blue spike, which I thought might be a problem.
The higher K would be slightly more energy efficient so it would be a plus.
exoticrobotic
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Corpselover Fat
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i'm very very very high.
I haven't had any since sunday. This hasn't happened for several years. I actually got confused too when I went back a couple of pages to find the pic.
Ca++
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One consistent problem I see with LED switchers, is them not using enough.
Everyone knows a 1.2 needs a 600 HPS. This is because all HPS were about equal, and the other choices were 400 or 1000. In these circumstances, we could very quickly see if someone used the wrong light.
Now we see a lot of people have a dabble using Amazon lights. People are not banding together in solidarity to say the lights are the wrong choice. Where once everyone could judge what a good light is, now it's a minority. The voice of truth, is lost in the Amazon chorus. Some buy the right wattage, but the LEDs are inefficient. Others are buying outright lies. Others are getting the right stuff, but not enough of it. There are many forks off the path of luminosity, that can lead us unwittingly into the darkness. There is a real 'education' factor to getting it right. I know quite a few growers who don't use the internet, but have used an LED light passed between them, before it landed in a coal store somewhere. They don't have the science background to understand, that their real world testing was bogus, because their best LED in the world, was as twinkly as a sweetie wrapper.
It was this high... we turned it up&down... it was 1000000w...It was this big... this heavy...this colour.. It was this load of irrelevant nonsense.
OpenQuote=Ridiculous nonsense
I must say, Mercury lighting beats everything. LED is Okay. CMH was better, but Mercury was the best. I think it was that strong UV band that Mercury produces. An element slowly removed from our lights over time. Now the latest energy class specifications are also looking at recycling issues, Mercury has been removed from most lights completely. Nothing will ever beat that first spliff grown under Mercury lighting. It's just gone downhill since. I'm forever chasing that feeling. Smoking more and more. But it just won't happen.
Look at it. Bit of HPS like amber. A lick of green for penetration. Then lots of UV products to really mullah them into submission.
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I just made that up, but giving it some concideration isn't a bad thing. When everyone around you cries foul, it's then that pages of disagreement make you a fool. Lighting choice is so complicated now, that people are messing it up regularly. Every couple of months we see an LED test grow where the user switches a 600 for 300w of inefficient LEDs, guided by Amazon reviews (written by the seller). With all that blood in the water, the sharks are going to circle.
There is no escaping... that Mercury was the best light ever
If you were growing in 80s/90s UK, you were offered these by the car full. 400w MBFU pictured for prosperity. Verts with a big dome reflector, not pictured.
Everyone knows a 1.2 needs a 600 HPS. This is because all HPS were about equal, and the other choices were 400 or 1000. In these circumstances, we could very quickly see if someone used the wrong light.
Now we see a lot of people have a dabble using Amazon lights. People are not banding together in solidarity to say the lights are the wrong choice. Where once everyone could judge what a good light is, now it's a minority. The voice of truth, is lost in the Amazon chorus. Some buy the right wattage, but the LEDs are inefficient. Others are buying outright lies. Others are getting the right stuff, but not enough of it. There are many forks off the path of luminosity, that can lead us unwittingly into the darkness. There is a real 'education' factor to getting it right. I know quite a few growers who don't use the internet, but have used an LED light passed between them, before it landed in a coal store somewhere. They don't have the science background to understand, that their real world testing was bogus, because their best LED in the world, was as twinkly as a sweetie wrapper.
It was this high... we turned it up&down... it was 1000000w...It was this big... this heavy...this colour.. It was this load of irrelevant nonsense.
OpenQuote=Ridiculous nonsense
I must say, Mercury lighting beats everything. LED is Okay. CMH was better, but Mercury was the best. I think it was that strong UV band that Mercury produces. An element slowly removed from our lights over time. Now the latest energy class specifications are also looking at recycling issues, Mercury has been removed from most lights completely. Nothing will ever beat that first spliff grown under Mercury lighting. It's just gone downhill since. I'm forever chasing that feeling. Smoking more and more. But it just won't happen.
Look at it. Bit of HPS like amber. A lick of green for penetration. Then lots of UV products to really mullah them into submission.
EndQuote
I just made that up, but giving it some concideration isn't a bad thing. When everyone around you cries foul, it's then that pages of disagreement make you a fool. Lighting choice is so complicated now, that people are messing it up regularly. Every couple of months we see an LED test grow where the user switches a 600 for 300w of inefficient LEDs, guided by Amazon reviews (written by the seller). With all that blood in the water, the sharks are going to circle.
There is no escaping... that Mercury was the best light ever
If you were growing in 80s/90s UK, you were offered these by the car full. 400w MBFU pictured for prosperity. Verts with a big dome reflector, not pictured.
Mercury was and is the most important substance, no wonder they ban it everywhere claiming it's "dangerous" lol
People drink this shit, hold it in their hands, hell, it's an element with so much capabilities but much of them are not disclosed to us
First time that I hear about mercury being used in light producing fixtures, I know about it's uses in antennas, flying saucers, anti density levitation etc...
Do you have more pics of this system ?
People drink this shit, hold it in their hands, hell, it's an element with so much capabilities but much of them are not disclosed to us
First time that I hear about mercury being used in light producing fixtures, I know about it's uses in antennas, flying saucers, anti density levitation etc...
Do you have more pics of this system ?
Oh my god....
Mercury the metal is relatively safe, yes. But gaseous vapors are very dangerous. Mercury containing compounds are much worse than Mercury itself, because it's can move around our bodies much easier. Especially compounds that can cross the blood brain barrier. A single drop of dimethyl mercury on your skin will kill you over the next six months. No cure, nothing can save you.
Mercury is used in regular CFL bulbs. That's why you shouldn't have lightsaber fights with fluorescent light tubes.
Brother, you are mad as a hatter
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Well heres some more to look at whilst you smoke your hid buds all led trich shots im afraid taken 3 days ago stardawg manny coming down soonAll this talk of crap led bud must be risking ad revenues hence the title change.
We just gonna focus only on leds now though??
I'll smoke my hid bud while you guys figure out how to sort out the leds.
The 3500k lm301b led resin heads look nice. I like the look and size of those resin heads.
I completely forgot about this thread. I do have an update on what caused reversed females to not fully reverse or produce pollen under LED.
Ive been using a product that has organic oils in the ingredients. Ive been using it regularly for years. Love the stuff... When I added LED the oils on the plants were blocking most of the STS treatments from soaking in. I spoke with others about it and they also use similar products.. Tests were done to remove as much of the oils as possible on the plants being reversed under LED. After 2 washes using H2o, the oils were removed. Plants were treated with STS and fully reversed using LED lights. Heat could also have contributed since LED doesn't produce any IR heat vs HID. With the high IR heat from HID, we did not see the same issues. This took forever to find the cause. This was just figured out about 2 months ago.
LED FEM POLLEN
Ive been using a product that has organic oils in the ingredients. Ive been using it regularly for years. Love the stuff... When I added LED the oils on the plants were blocking most of the STS treatments from soaking in. I spoke with others about it and they also use similar products.. Tests were done to remove as much of the oils as possible on the plants being reversed under LED. After 2 washes using H2o, the oils were removed. Plants were treated with STS and fully reversed using LED lights. Heat could also have contributed since LED doesn't produce any IR heat vs HID. With the high IR heat from HID, we did not see the same issues. This took forever to find the cause. This was just figured out about 2 months ago.
LED FEM POLLEN
JumpinJimmy
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Yes I’m jumping right in when one of the first things I see is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. I’ve been smoking for 25 years so I would know if the quality is good or not. It’s good. Have grown hps for many years and ran the same cuts when I switched to led. Was absolutely no decline in quality. Literally everybody that smokes it enjoys it the same. That’s just the reality. I’ve never witnessed trichomeless led bud until he presented those pictures. He’s a unicorn in his ability to pull that one off. I suspect the pictures are randoms of Google image And he has some kind of agenda. Who knows cause it was sure an ignorant thing to say. He slowly walked his statement back little by little but didn’t get there All the way. It’s a HIM problem. You want to know why dispo weed sucks? Cause all these new tootie hype strains (most at least) aren’t as strong as they could be and they are taken prematurely as some kind of religious practice. Not sure if that is what you’re basing led quality off of or not because I demand high potency bud as I’m a heavy smoker with a high tolerance. The led bud is great. Loved the hps bud too. The eye horrtilux super hps bulbs were awesome. Also keep in mind that some led are just straight trash.
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