LED and BUD QUALITY

[zachrockbadenof]

all these pics that are shown look...GREAT... but the proof is always in the smoking... some of the best weed i ever smoked looked like travis green (not a good look) but was really good.... u can't go by looks alone...

 

[xet]

UVA photoacclimation. not ringing a bell now?

 

[xet]

 

[Wall]

Si vous consacriez autant de temps à la culture qu’à répondre à ce fil, vos plantes seraient géniales.

+ 1000

 

[snakedope]

Haha always fun stirring up the LED - HID pot, people get so touchy, instead of posting pics and reviews and opinions everybody here is busy slandering one another...

I said enough, i just wanted this info out there for people to look and see, like i traveled all around the interwebs finding answers, RIU, ICMAG, its all the same to me, im looking for the best GLUE and info about it.
People gather info from these debates and threads, and piece them together the way they see fit.

With this note, im gonna go back to the op original post, and comment to him as follows:

I also feel like the HPS buds are great always, if you got a good clone i think they will grow the dankest results, as far as i seen with many many many many growers, myself included.

I do feel that most LED bud grown or sold here (MY country) (including the LED bud i grew) was more on the aromatic and nice side, nothing too punchy or sweet or smelly, cant smell it from across the room like the HPS bud, atleast not mine or the bud of many growers i see here in my area or country (remember, they used to have killer bud before) part of them sift and trim machine it, which is partially the reason why its low quality, but part of them dont, and either way their bud is mediocre at best, even if its not trimmed or sifted.

I didnt do a side by side, but i did endless cycles of HIDs, Outdoors also, and 2 cycles of LED, still waiting for the LED unwritten book of the road

 

[Cerathule]

im looking for the best GLUE and info about it.

why don't you trust cert. lab analytics. these are in favour of blue-inclusive lamp SPDs

 

[Cerathule]

Bias - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[snakedope]

I do trust them, i do trust they see 28% THC, i just dont trust it means anything.
THC went from a definition of qty of glue on a plant, to something else, not me or you know what it is, because 1-2 years ago a 16-18% bud was sticky like 3M glue, nowadays the 28% bud has less glue\punch\smell whatever then the low THC bud ? sorry, someone is lying.

 

[Redrum92]

Curtis, i now see it more clearly, trichomes on your buds are not developed enough.
Very small heads.

Here is the nug i bought for 30usd, LED ofcourse.
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Same problem like yours, very much stalks, plenty of trichome heads, just not there yet, and will never be under LED.
GoatCheese - i will look i promise, and i already know im gonna see stalks with small heads, trust me.
The only place i see real glue is HID grows, and some 40w+ cfls... all else just dont make good flowers, i smoked them all bro, my country is out there, some guys here even buy special strains from us, back to rolling tobacco

CFL? I must be misunderstanding because there's no way you think CFL>LED

People have posted good LED pics. You're basically saying "giraffes don't exist because there's not one in this picture, here" even though you've been shown plenty of pics of giraffes

I believe your experience with LED vs HID, but that doesn't mean it's universal.

 

[snakedope]

CFL? I must be misunderstanding because there's no way you think CFL>LED

People have posted good LED pics. You're basically saying "giraffes don't exist because there's not one in this picture, here" even though you've been shown plenty of pics of giraffes

I believe your experience with LED vs HID, but that doesn't mean it's universal.

I dont know if you ever looked at good CFL grows, they kick LED in terms of bud quality, and it makes sense, the good ones with 32w+ have over 2000 PAR energy each, LED only has 200-300 each.
Again, trichome bud quality, not growing quality, do i need to write over and over that LED is the best grow light ? GROW, not FLOWER.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Unwatching this drivel...

 

[revegeta666]

Same lol

 

[FletchF.Fletch]

All that Talent wasted. He should be zooming in on pictures of Ill people so he can tell the Doctors how to cure Cancer.

 

[snakedope]

I think i better hang in here for a while, for great quality bud sake

 

[FletchF.Fletch]

The World's loss is our gain I guess.

 

[Hammerhead]

More conversations using LED to grow cannabis is good.. Try not to make it personal for any having issues using LED.

Lots of us that used LED to flower males or reverse females are seeing issues using LED. I've had nothing but issues with male plants not producing enough pollen as CMH/HPS does every time. All reversed females would only partially reverse with no pollen produced. It's not just me. For now, I went back to using CMH/HPS to flower males or reverse females.. JL uses HPS 1st until the plants reverse then moves them to LED. He thinks LED doesn't have enough red for our needs. It is a documented issue..

 

[Jim Rockford]

He thinks LED doesn't have enough red for our needs. It is a documented issue..

I've built a new room running Iluminar iLogic 8s with UV and Far Red. I've been curious if for males they'd do the trick. I don't grow out males more than 2 or 3 times a year for small batch seeds but find the conversation interesting.

Flowering wise my Iluminar lights and Grower's Choice 720s have outperformed my old HPS setup. For a while I ran the same plants under HPS and Grower's Choice lamps to do a side by side. The testing lab cofirmed every plant grown under the LED lights had higher terpenes and in all cases but one more THC. I felt the plants were smaller but yielded as much if not more and had denser buds. I keep my garden short and scrogged so I'm not sure the LED's would do as good if my plants were 6' tall.

My eye doesn't notice much difference but when I take pics I can see more red in the spectrum with the iLogic 8s. My only concern will be if diodes for the far red and uv burn out faster.

 

[Sativafiend1973]

I started with the blurple LEDs then switched to HPS, I am now using LEDs again(not blurple), I have found that I have no problems what so ever with reversing females or just getting decent bud, I really think it is perception of expectation. Good weed is all in a growers skill, lights, nutrients as well as many other factors come into play, blaming LEDs, HPS, or CMH and saying one is better than the other is pointless.

 

[Hammerhead]

It's def not a perseption. None of us want LED to fail lol. I've been doing it for 5 decades. We all want LED to work the same as CMH/HPS does. Using HPS/CMH for the same breeding purpose has never caused any issues for us. All of my tests using LED as the light source on reversed plants did not produce the same results for plants under CMH/HPS. None under LED were usable as a pollen source. As I said it's a known issue making FEM pollen using LED. THE BIGGEST ISSUE I SEE FROM OTHERS IS THE REFUSAL TO ACCEPT OTHERS RESULTS/OPINIONS.
Until everyone gets on the same page people will continue with the same BS.

 

[GoatCheese]

For us, it has not worked for breeding purposes.

What do leds have to do with breeding?!

EDIT:
..oh, i just noticed your post above.
For me, my males look more or less the same as when i was blooming them under fluoros, no noticeable difference in pollen sack size. I use 3000K Samsung chips for blooming males.

Do you use the same nutrient feed to bloom males under leds vs. hps/cmh ?
I use the same nute composition as during my fluoro days except i give them calmag now that i bloom with leds.
I have never reversed females so i can't comment on that.