LED and BUD QUALITY

[Scfarmer]

one time, i hung my ac infinity fans with bungee cords to isolate the vibration.

Yep I've done that, aswel as the ratchet hangers because this lot is so damn heavy I can't lift it up together

 

[Scfarmer]

I found that a single 10inch filter was not enough to completely remove the smell especially in the final weeks . So I added another. I've also found it extends the life of the system because filter one takes all the crap, it's still works after years just not as well.
Filter two then gets filtered air and lasts a long time.
I clean filter one every so often with the hose pipe aswel as a few hours of industrial strength ozone between cycles when I deep clean the tents

 

[greyfader]

i have seriously butchered up some rental houses but i always fixed them back to original before leaving. basically, for evidence control but also to not leave the owner with a mess.

 

[greyfader]

I found that a single 10inch filter was not enough to completely remove the smell especially in the final weeks . So I added another. I've also found it extends the life of the system because filter one takes all the crap, it's still works after years just not as well.
Filter two then gets filtered air and lasts a long time.
I clean filter one every so often with the hose pipe aswel as a few hours of industrial strength ozone between cycles when I deep clean the tents

in addition to filtering for odor control, i picked locations that had the predominant wind direction away from neighbors, towards open areas or into the woods. put the exhaust height as high up as possible, as in the attic exiting the house through the ridge vents. this, in one situation, put the exhaust height about 27ft above the ground level. the heat made it rise from there instead of going towards the ground.

also, i practiced odor camouflage by putting a bucket with a mop in it on the front porch with pine sol and cleaners in it topped off daily.

i sprayed around the foundation of the house with it too. the neighbors thought i was using pest control chemicals.

swine pest repellant!

 

[4maggio]

How do you regulate it so it doesn't heat the room up too much?

There's a dial for on 750F or 1500F, the other is set it, check it, reset it, check it till ya get it where you want by thermostat. I use it to control night time temps. I have a 2x4x7 tent in an 8x8 lung room inside a 10x13 bed room. I live in Florida, 80% of the time I'm on AC in the house (bedroom temps) >window shaker and dehumidifier (lung room temps) > Humidifier (and that little heater ON at night OFF during the day) into tent > VPD via Controllers. If it gets to hot at night, I turn it down a smidge. Later in bloom (few more days) I'll take it out completely. But if you need heat, this one has been doing good for me.

 

[4maggio]

in addition to filtering for odor control, i picked locations that had the predominant wind direction away from neighbors, towards open areas or into the woods. put the exhaust height as high up as possible, as in the attic exiting the house through the ridge vents. this, in one situation, put the exhaust height about 27ft above the ground level. the heat made it rise from there instead of going towards the ground.

also, i practiced odor camouflage by putting a bucket with a mop in it on the front porch with pine sol and cleaners in it topped off daily.

i sprayed around the foundation of the house with it too. the neighbors thought i was using pest control chemicals.

swine pest repellant!

aka delta9nsx? I been away. You used to have warehouses. No Jive.

 

[Scfarmer]

i have seriously butchered up some rental houses but i always fixed them back to original before leaving. basically, for evidence control but also to not leave the owner with a mess.

I never did any butchering always used the attic and put it back the way it was before leaving. I did have a full on fire once. Cost thousands to put right .when I left I got my full deposit back
No questions as to why I re decorated the entire place including painting the attic

 

[Scfarmer]

There's a dial for on 750F or 1500F, the other is set it, check it, reset it, check it till ya get it where you want by thermostat. I use it to control night time temps. I have a 2x4x7 tent in an 8x8 lung room inside a 10x13 bed room. I live in Florida, 80% of the time I'm on AC in the house (bedroom temps) >window shaker and dehumidifier (lung room temps) > Humidifier (and that little heater ON at night OFF during the day) into tent > VPD via Controllers. If it gets to hot at night, I turn it down a smidge. Later in bloom (few more days) I'll take it out completely. But if you need heat, this one has been doing good for me.

Thanks I will do some searching and buy one. I have a 500w with thermo dial that will regulate itself, also a 750/1500 but that is just on or off. Testing it out now at 750 continuous to see if it will work

 

[greyfader]

aka delta9nsx? I been away. You used to have warehouses. No Jive.

warehouses for about about 6 years in legal environments. 3 of the years in oregon producing thc plants and 3 years in nashville making cbd plants. but for most of the last 28 years i've been a black market grower. sometimes in states with medieval laws so practicing tradecraft is a healthy thing.

observing plant count limits having to do with mandatory sentencing laws but twisting their tails by growing huge plants.

i liked renting large houses out in the country with "shop" buildings behind them. or just big old, slightly run down houses with the bedrooms stuffed with plants.

once i had the entire top floor with 3 bedrooms full of plants and used the upstairs bathroom as a control center for the hydro reservoirs and water supply. i had hoses and electrical cords running down the hallway floors. rotating lights on periods to milk the most from a limited amperage panel.

it's amazing how much weed you can produce annually if you try. i liked using a weekly perpetual schedule with big upright trees grown between bare vertically hanging hps lights.

with 9 nine week plants in a dedicated flowering room one was coming down every week. using a separate smaller room with 5 plants to veg and then moving the plants into flower by hand, one per week.

this also let's you use a small cloning space with only 6 clones. i would cut 2 per week and root them 3 weeks before going into the veg room. throw one clone out.

no mothers but only 20 countable plants at any given time. i was growing 2-3 lb plants most of the time so 52 times even 2 lbs is 104 lbs of weed per year. this was back in the times when black market prices were running around 2500 lb so it made for a nice little low-risk income.

i got caught one time but because of the low plant count and no previous history and being a cancer and liver transplant patient it costs about 20 grand to basically pay our way out of it. no jail time and probation and we immediately went to a legal state and set up again and kept going. most of the product was sent right back to the state i had been operating in because that's where my market was. i sent back more than i produced while living there so they would have been better off just leaving me alone to start with. all they did by busting me was increase the flow.

it was really funny when the head narc sent one of the deputies to cut down and count the plants. the guy took a little pair of garden snips with him. he came back a few minutes later and said he needed a saw to cut them down.

 

[Herbal-Essence]

it's amazing how much weed you can produce annually if you try.

I love this quote

 

[4maggio]

warehouses for about about 6 years in legal environments. 3 of the years in oregon producing thc plants and 3 years in nashville making cbd plants. but for most of the last 28 years i've been a black market grower. sometimes in states with medieval laws so practicing tradecraft is a healthy thing.

observing plant count limits having to do with mandatory sentencing laws but twisting their tails by growing huge plants.

i liked renting large houses out in the country with "shop" buildings behind them. or just big old, slightly run down houses with the bedrooms stuffed with plants.

once i had the entire top floor with 3 bedrooms full of plants and used the upstairs bathroom as a control center for the hydro reservoirs and water supply. i had hoses and electrical cords running down the hallway floors. rotating lights on periods to milk the most from a limited amperage panel.

it's amazing how much weed you can produce annually if you try. i liked using a weekly perpetual schedule with big upright trees grown between bare vertically hanging hps lights.

with 9 nine week plants in a dedicated flowering room one was coming down every week. using a separate smaller room with 5 plants to veg and then moving the plants into flower by hand, one per week.

this also let's you use a small cloning space with only 6 clones. i would cut 2 per week and root them 3 weeks before going into the veg room. throw one clone out.

no mothers but only 20 countable plants at any given time. i was growing 2-3 lb plants most of the time so 52 times even 2 lbs is 104 lbs of weed per year. this was back in the times when black market prices were running around 2500 lb so it made for a nice little low-risk income.

i got caught one time but because of the low plant count and no previous history and being a cancer and liver transplant patient it costs about 20 grand to basically pay our way out of it. no jail time and probation and we immediately went to a legal state and set up again and kept going. most of the product was sent right back to the state i had been operating in because that's where my market was. i sent back more than i produced while living there so they would have been better off just leaving me alone to start with. all they did by busting me was increase the flow.

it was really funny when the head narc sent one of the deputies to cut down and count the plants. the guy took a little pair of garden snips with him. he came back a few minutes later and said he needed a saw to cut them down.

You still PPKilling it? Sorry to hear of you encounters. I was/am a big fan. Thank you.

 

[Ca++]

bungee is great

I even have my air pump done

lots of pieces can end up poorly aligned though, so it's better to lay them all out on the floor. String a beam along them all, then hoist the beam up. Once up, you can start with the bungee until the hoisting lines go slack. Don't remove the lines though. They might be needed if the elastic fails.

All nice and straight on the floor. Tied to a beam. Then lifted and secured. Then the cord is taken around a turn at a time, pulled to about 20% of it's possible extension. It looks like 4 turns this end, but that carbon end will have more.

If that's not good enough, it needs an mdf box. The box shouldn't touch the suspended mass, so this means attaching to the fixed beam. In the loft shot above, the box can be sat on the floor, and reach up around the fan assembly. I have such a thing done, though I don't think I took a pic, I could get one.

 

[greyfader]

You still PPKilling it? Sorry to hear of you encounters. I was/am a big fan. Thank you.

yep, ppk is the only way! it is the only device i know of that let's you fine tune the moisture content in the medium and keep it within an ideal band of parameters.

i'm seem to be growing mostly 10 week strains lately so 10 weeks of 12 hour periods is 840 hours of photo period. the more time in the life of the plant that you keep it within an ideal water and nutrient status range the bigger and heavier the plant will be.

it's really a flow pattern and not a specific build. both of the warehouse grows were fully recirculating, closed loop, automatic systems just like all the smaller ones.

there are 3 tools for adjusting the moisture. the duration of each watering event or pulse, the interval between them, and the height of the solution level below the plants, which can be raised or lowered at will.

thank you for the kind words but i don't want to derail the thread too much so let's get back to the lighting.

i'll be doing a detailed ppk thread using leds soon!

 

[chilliwilli]

i'll be doing a detailed ppk thread using leds soon!

That's amazing. The old threads don't have working pics anymore and i'd like to know how they work.

 

[4maggio]

yep, ppk is the only way! it is the only device i know of that let's you fine tune the moisture content in the medium and keep it within an ideal band of parameters.

i'm seem to be growing mostly 10 week strains lately so 10 weeks of 12 hour periods is 840 hours of photo period. the more time in the life of the plant that you keep it within an ideal water and nutrient status range the bigger and heavier the plant will be.

it's really a flow pattern and not a specific build. both of the warehouse grows were fully recirculating, closed loop, automatic systems just like all the smaller ones.

there are 3 tools for adjusting the moisture. the duration of each watering event or pulse, the interval between them, and the height of the solution level below the plants, which can be raised or lowered at will.

thank you for the kind words but i don't want to derail the thread too much so let's get back to the lighting.

i'll be doing a detailed ppk thread using leds soon!

You're the most thorough member there is. I can't wait for your wisdom about LEDs & PPK.
I'll be on the lookout.

 

[Rocket Soul]

yep, ppk is the only way! it is the only device i know of that let's you fine tune the moisture content in the medium and keep it within an ideal band of parameters.

i'm seem to be growing mostly 10 week strains lately so 10 weeks of 12 hour periods is 840 hours of photo period. the more time in the life of the plant that you keep it within an ideal water and nutrient status range the bigger and heavier the plant will be.

it's really a flow pattern and not a specific build. both of the warehouse grows were fully recirculating, closed loop, automatic systems just like all the smaller ones.

there are 3 tools for adjusting the moisture. the duration of each watering event or pulse, the interval between them, and the height of the solution level below the plants, which can be raised or lowered at will.

thank you for the kind words but i don't want to derail the thread too much so let's get back to the lighting.

i'll be doing a detailed ppk thread using leds soon!

If your PPK is still going for another round next year please consider letting me get you some proper lighting, i got good stuff on the way theres noone id like more to test them.

 

[greyfader]

You're the most thorough member there is. I can't wait for your wisdom about LEDs & PPK.
I'll be on the lookout.

thank you! but, i'm hardly the "most" throrough! i may be the most stubborn, though! and i don't think i possess any special "wisdom", either.

what i do is read research papers all day and try to pull out ideas and recombine them into something that might help grow better plants.

in that sense, i'm more like a scavenger of ideas rather than wise.

i just got this image of myself standing out in the middle of a big, stinking , pile of trash looking for gourmet tidbits to eat.

it's really more like that than anything else!

i'm not well organized, i'm a pack rat with clutter everywhere, i waste so much time searching for tools that are just lying around somewhere, or under something else that must be moved to see them.

i don't use any known scientific method. instead of well controlled side by sides i use the "one after another" method, only roughly quantifying results.

right now, i consider myself to be just a sick, stubborn, old man who got lucky with a few ideas that he stole from the work of other people.

so, please, hold the accolades!

 

[greyfader]

If your PPK is still going for another round next year please consider letting me get you some proper lighting, i got good stuff on the way theres noone id like more to test them.

thank you!

so, we are back on subject again.

you mentioned somewhere in the ancient past of this thread that you thought efficiency was over-rated.

i think that maybe there are different kinds of efficiency.

one is the straight-up conversion of electrical energy to par radiation.

another is the application of the photons in general.

so, there are two hypothetical lights, let's say they are both 1k watts.

but one has a linear arrangement of larger diodes on bars and one has a much greater number of smaller diodes that radiate outward in a circular pattern from multiple, overlapping, point sources.

we have discussed how the elimination of shading creates a greater illuminated surface.

what if the one that radiates outward from multiple point sources hits a greater surface area of the plant from more angles simultaneously than the one with larger diodes on linear bars?

would this not drive overall photosynthesis at a higher or equal rate?

even at a lower electrical efficiency, thereby offsetting the greater electrical efficiency of the other light?

 

[Koondense]

Good questions,
reminds me of a debate about two different ways of thinking about lightning for cannabis and plants in general.
Which is "better" ideally, a point source light or diffuse lightning?
So in nature it comes down to clear sky vs cloud layer.
My thinking would be about intensity of light needed for ideal photosynthesis, like is 100% sunlight the optimum or is it too much? Can a clouded day be better for the plant?
So naturally the same goes for lightning, the HPS(closer to point source) vs LED bars(diffuse) debate and tribalism etc...
Never ending story

Cheers

 

[Hiddenjems]

Good questions,
reminds me of a debate about two different ways of thinking about lightning for cannabis and plants in general.
Which is "better" ideally, a point source light or diffuse lightning?
So in nature it comes down to clear sky vs cloud layer.
My thinking would be about intensity of light needed for ideal photosynthesis, like is 100% sunlight the optimum or is it too much? Can a clouded day be better for the plant?
So naturally the same goes for lightning, the HPS(closer to point source) vs LED bars(diffuse) debate and tribalism etc...
Never ending story

Cheers

The sun isn’t a good example for indoor single point lighting. For one the bottom of your plant will never be twice as far from the sun as the top. Indoors it’s the norm.

I also have a question for anyone that can answer. What is ppk?