LED and BUD QUALITY

[Ca++]

Obviously we are talking about things that don't exist, if he doesn't get it. We must be all under the same delusion, and he's the only one that gets it. He doesn't even need science to understand either. He just looks, and knows that science is wrong. If only he could explain it in terms that make any sense to us. I feel dimmer than a cfl in his presence.

 

[GoatCheese]

No one really knows why the plant does it, just can speculate. No scientist will say they know exactly why.
How the trichomes grow is mostly genetics.

What do you think the antiviral/-fungal/-bacterial properties are for?

But maybe it’s best you wait till someone else writes a paper for you to read, ay. Need help tying your shoelaces, still, junior?

Sorry, i dont have bugs in my indoor, also you dont, and you still get killer buds.
Bugs are not the reason for this defensive reaction, not from what reality shows, only exist in "scientific papers"
If it was the reason, the whole study of HIL and UV would be useless, Indoor growing without bugs would be useless, clearly this is not the issue.

If you are busy speculating, at least have some foot hold of reality before.
i have 1 plant outside, 1 month old, it is bitten from every angle and guess what... no resin, no flowering.

“antibacterial,antiviral and antifungal properties”
...is what i wrote also.

You reply so fast that i wonder if you take any time to think about what others just wrote to you. And you only reacted to a small part of the info i just told you, so i wonder.
You just want to get back at people who don’t agree with you, i think – like kids snapping back at their parents.

...go clean your room, son

No resin on your outdoor?

LOL!
Your plant has resin on it even on the first true leaves, genius. Do you know anything about the plant ?!

 

[Ca++]

Changed my mind..


Lots of plants have trichomes

 

[Snipp]

What do you think the antiviral/-fungal/-bacterial properties are for?

But maybe it’s best you wait till someone else writes a paper for you to read, ay. Need help tying your shoelaces, still, junior?


“antibacterial,antiviral and antifungal properties”
...is what i wrote also.

You reply so fast that i wonder if you take any time to think about what others just wrote to you. And you only reacted to a small part of the info i just told you, so i wonder.
You just want to get back at people who don’t agree with you, i think – like kids snapping back at their parents.

...go clean your room, son

No resin on your outdoor?

LOL!
Your plant has resin on it even on the first true leaves, genius. Do you know anything about the plant ?!

Science is if you can prove and

What do you think the antiviral/-fungal/-bacterial properties are for?

But maybe it’s best you wait till someone else writes a paper for you to read, ay. Need help tying your shoelaces, still, junior?


“antibacterial,antiviral and antifungal properties”
...is what i wrote also.

You reply so fast that i wonder if you take any time to think about what others just wrote to you. And you only reacted to a small part of the info i just told you, so i wonder.
You just want to get back at people who don’t agree with you, i think – like kids snapping back at their parents.

...go clean your room, son

No resin on your outdoor?

LOL!
Your plant has resin on it even on the first true leaves, genius. Do you know anything about the plant ?!

Need help tying your shoelaces, still, junior?
- you are getting insultive. Do I need any advise from you?

 

[Snipp]

I probably was growing weed before your mum had a bush to cut

 

[GoatCheese]

Science is if you can prove and

Need help tying your shoelaces, still, junior?
- you are getting insultive. Do I need any advise from you?

Come on, you give Snakey shit about his “glue” stuff in many comments. You can dish it out but can’t take any? Don't pretend you're on some higher level of behavior.

Scientific research is sometimes proven wrong; sun doesn't revolve around planet Earth. Space was supposed to be an empty vacum, now we know it's filled with stuff. So what does "science" mean?

 

[ledo]

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The energy density discussion seems misplaced to me. However, LED isn't that bad. If you look at the surface area of a 600w arc tube, it's a good few inches. If we look at a 100w cob as one radiant surface, the 600 whoops it. However, it's not a single emitter, it's perhaps 150 small dots. Absolutely tiny. I suggest the LED has a higher energy density when we look at the point of emission.
In any case, the point of emission doesn't seem important to the plant. Though I can offer a reason it might be. Where constant bombardment at exactly the same angle eventually penetrates. We might need to adjust our idea of what a long time is to see this. Where a cell is already tied up doing something, and so can't pick off the next photon. Leading to greater penetration on a tiny scale. This is just some random thought though. Evidence points towards increasing the angles of attack, to gain something. Hence the bar lights.

It's exactly what I was trying to state (I can brake down that Arc tube into infinitly small dots/points of energy too, was my point, where does it end, it ends at watts coming IN and light vs heat out for either tech, LED these days blows away HID - fact), if you're trying to compare two techs that are extremely different you have to find some common ground(s).... and you're exactly right, LED blows HID out the water and the efficiencies continue to improve though have plateaued some, I'd suspect getting more out just isn't worth it, economies of scale.... The inverse square law of light should not be lost on anyone, either...

But yes LED do put out more light, usable light etc (watt for watt) it's a fact, I've measured such numerous times with varying light meters, as have too many others to note...... Just cuz someone who has no experience using LED, says the data sheets are all lies bla bla bla.....

Yet amazingly when you look around every parking lot, every store, every home, every stadium, every crab boat, every truck, every plane....everything is switching over to LED for all lighting applications from low to high powered stadium lights, all moving to LED... but they are not brighter, don't penetrate and produce dull diffuse light, lol - where are them stadium CFL's after all.... .... !?

The reason LED struggle, and have historically is due lack of FR and IR.... I was doing studies with LED, party CFL bulbs, HID, UVB, UVA, UVC etc, all way back in the 2000's...... Having the same discussions all over again and again and again, is never enjoyable but everyone comes up to speed at different times....

when I say dinosaur or fossil it has NOTHING to do with anyones age (shit, I haven't a clue how old people are); its much more about adoption of new ideas, thoughts....

back in 2008, LED sucked ass, really bad.... 2015, still pretty bad, by 2020 they were blowing HID out the water for nearly all applications except for IR & FR.....

Take it for what it's worth, from someone who's been there all along the ride, and working with some of the best LED MFG's out there, and all the way back to the LED dark days days of Mike and Cammie flame wars over LED's in the late 2000's........

Fun times y'all

 

[Snipp]

Its proven until someone else proves it is not.

 

[ledo]

Alot of people that state "weed isn't what it used to be" forget their own process of ageing gradually takes their own sensitivity away, or need a tolerance break.

Nostaglia is a deceiving bitch too, nearly always - shit was simply better when you were 13, 17, 26.... everything, better -

 

[ledo]

So plants do use energy from the source? Or the photons that fall on their leaves, as expressed by either PPFD or lux?

What does it matter if these are produced from either an areal of hundred tiny points or 1 bigger point?
It's irrelevant.
And misleading. No HID is a true point-source either. Most of a HIDs light is diffused by the reflector anyway...

exactly ! just cuz you grab onto an idea with both hands, don't make it true or logical....... Like earlier repeatedly saying to me I stated 65w on a diode, which I never did - he obsessed over something I never said and just kept repeating himself..... The Guy won't listen or hear anything anyone else is saying, just keeps repeating the same things... Ones which don't matter to plants, have no basis in science, no basis in reality and no basis if you actually use both side by side, it's called experience and it's terribly lacking in at least one hero in here...

The LED I have, watt for watt produce way more light than the HID, at 3 feet down, 6 feet, 10 feet, any distance...... i don't care how it began, I care how it ends on the plants leafs and is cycled by them within, I've gotten rock hard 2 GPW off LED, plenty of times.... not sure I ever have from HID, close but not quite 2.......

Light on left much brighter than the DE HID - I also run Fluence VYPR 2's elsewhere - anyone who thinks that many low powered diodes don’t grow amazing cannabis and are bright, definitely should check one out before speaking… at @630w IIRC, they compare to 1000w HID, seriously

Peace out

 

[ledo]

So you ignore proper evidence that cannabinoids largely absorb UVB yet claim science is with you? I think you are the only one believing that.

You haven't even read the study in such a short time. You ignore everything that is being brought forth but build your own reality using your fantasy ideas. This is mental.

on spectrum or full blown- can nearly guarantee it... there's nothing wrong with it of course, my brother is... It's Just important to understand what and whom you are arguing with and the futility in expecting them to EVER take a second to consider what you say or share........

 

[Snipp]

The HID would be nice as heater for the room in the cold season.

 

[ledo]

The HID would be nice as heater for the room in the cold season.

exactly what many people do, myself included; the FR & IR is especially appreciated in the cold months; I get @200” snow a year; I understand the cold and lighting; somewhat due in part the doldrums we have here during winter

 

[Snipp]

exactly what many people do, myself included; the FR & IR is especially appreciated in the cold months; I get @200” snow a year; I understand the cold and lighting; somewhat due in part the doldrums we have here during winter

I have to recycle the warm air from the tents in winter. But its ecological at least

 

[ledo]

I have to recycle the warm air from the tents in winter. But its ecological at least

I don’t use fresh air; run many closed rooms… the Co2 buildup in a home from furnaces, people, animals etc is much more than most realize… if one were to buy a quality Co2 meter and just watch it I’d bet their quite surprised at the levels; same for closed up A/C in summer, just not quite as high as winter…. 25 years ago I used to bring in fresh, when Growing in HS and college, we live & learn

 

[Cerathule]

@snakedope When you look with your eyes at a HIDs arch ray it appears very bright because our eyes funnel all the photons coming from that direction directly onto your eye nerve.

Conversely when you look at a single diode in a quantum board the other diodes' light aside of your visionfocus are not centered, their impression is reduced.

This "focus" doesn't happen with a leaf, which is more like a flat sheet of paper. The light from 1000 diodes can savely reach and combine at the very same spot at a leaf. The leaf takes it from every side, it doesn't matter.

 

[Snipp]

Just got notified about this video

 

[Snipp]

Short one, not really informative. At least she's nice.

 

[Cerathule]

Light on left much brighter than the DE HID - I also run Fluence VYPR 2's elsewhere - anyone who thinks that many low powered diodes don’t grow amazing cannabis and are bright, definitely should check one out before speaking… at @630w IIRC, they compare to 1000w HID, seriously

Awesome, I like HID & LED combos. The LED pump in so much raw light customized at the right and highly absorbed regions, whereas HIDs can broaden the spectrum to either much into infrared in case of HPS, bringing heat, or UV in the case of MH.

It's just not good to combine both into a single fixture. But it's ok to have many sources from various angles for better spread and depth-effect.

 

[Snipp]

better not starting talking about co2 and light.