LED and BUD QUALITY

[Snipp]

Awesome, I like HID & LED combos. The LED pump in so much raw light customized at the right and highly absorbed regions, whereas HIDs can broaden the spectrum to either much into infrared in case of HPS, bringing heat, or UV in the case of MH.

It's just not good to combine both into a single fixture. But it's ok to have many sources from various angles for better spread and depth-effect. View attachment 18741023

Disco

 

[Bmac1]

LED Flowers. Anyone know where I can dispose of all this crappy bud?

 

[Snipp]

Do you know dobs ( I see you like building)??
Everything onboard no driver needed ( 220/110v) dimmable

Costs around 2$ - 50watt

Not as efficient as samsung, but as suplemental light cheap and handy

 

[Cerathule]

Do you know dobs ( I see you like building)??
Everything onboard no driver needed ( 220/110v) dimmable

Costs around 2$ - 50watt

Not as efficient as samsung, but as suplemental light cheap and handy
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kinda dependant on spectrum of the chips

The HPS lack UV, blue, red & farred, it mostly has orange, so one sidelight is for HPS support.
The MH lacks 660 + 730.
But when combining MH + HPS then UV & blue are already enough. So mostly I solder monochromatic diodes.
The 3500k COBs in the other tent has 400, 660 & 730nm added.
Now I got a Mars FC3000 and will do the same.

TBH I'd love to have 340nm, 690, 710 & 760 diodes alongside 400, 660 & 730 for real full spec. A true farred enrichment to target all those special chlorophylls.

 

[Snipp]

Like those 3 watt ones?
You can buy them in all spectrums

 

[Cerathule]

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Like those 3 watt ones?
You can buy them in all spectrums

some colors are expensive but don't put out much so it's like 100 bucks for virtually nothing

and of course, one needs a proper datasheet, to know, how much umol per watts are raw released, to set for a relative diode count

 

[snakedope]

So you ignore proper evidence that cannabinoids largely absorb UVB yet claim science is with you? I think you are the only one believing that.

You haven't even read the study in such a short time. You ignore everything that is being brought forth but build your own reality using your fantasy ideas. This is mental.

Im not ignoring it, im saying it dosent make a difference in our case.
I told u already, POOR HPS PROVE U WRONG.

Obviously we are talking about things that don't exist, if he doesn't get it. We must be all under the same delusion, and he's the only one that gets it. He doesn't even need science to understand either. He just looks, and knows that science is wrong. If only he could explain it in terms that make any sense to us. I feel dimmer than a cfl in his presence.

In theory they exist, yes, i agree with you.
You are not under delusion, at the same output LED kick HPS, i keep saying it, its not a HPS LED fight lol, its low output lights fight, may that be HPS or LED or CFL i dont really care, LED is the victim here but i can talk about 14w cfl also haha
science is not wrong bro, science say what i say thats it, go research yourself, go try adding intensity by adding same intensity sources, i wish you good luck with that, if you believe this, maybe you do live in delusion after all ?
Nontheless, i would love hearing your results.

Goatcheese, i really feel that you are seeing too much stalks under your LED to the point you call hairs on a seedling trichomes... not good.

It's exactly what I was trying to state (I can brake down that Arc tube into infinitly small dots/points of energy too, was my point, where does it end, it ends at watts coming IN and light vs heat out for either tech, LED these days blows away HID - fact), if you're trying to compare two techs that are extremely different you have to find some common ground(s).... and you're exactly right, LED blows HID out the water and the efficiencies continue to improve though have plateaued some, I'd suspect getting more out just isn't worth it, economies of scale.... The inverse square law of light should not be lost on anyone, either...

You again ... you can only do it in your mind, in reality that bs you call braking down arc tube to small dots or points of energy is again, your own theory and i call that BS.
You compare output to output, thats it, stop trying to think you are smart, you are most def not

But yes LED do put out more light, usable light etc (watt for watt) it's a fact, I've measured such numerous times with varying light meters, as have too many others to note...... Just cuz someone who has no experience using LED, says the data sheets are all lies bla bla bla.....

We all know that, LED is better, stop making LED a victim here, data sheets dont lie, at least i dont think they are, not to the point it would matter, but this is not related to the bud quality issue.

Yet amazingly when you look around every parking lot, every store, every home, every stadium, every crab boat, every truck, every plane....everything is switching over to LED for all lighting applications from low to high powered stadium lights, all moving to LED... but they are not brighter, don't penetrate and produce dull diffuse light, lol - where are them stadium CFL's after all.... .... !?

Why would you put CFLs in a stadium ? the biggest one i saw was 35K lm, its not enough, well it could be if they made a panel of it like LED... but for what ? LED is better, more diodes, more space covered, in a stadium covering space is key, not rate of the light, also LED makes more light, i dont get your comparison here ? again trying to sound smart but you are giving examples that dont even relate to the subject.

The reason LED struggle, and have historically is due lack of FR and IR.... I was doing studies with LED, party CFL bulbs, HID, UVB, UVA, UVC etc, all way back in the 2000's...... Having the same discussions all over again and again and again, is never enjoyable but everyone comes up to speed at different times....

when I say dinosaur or fossil it has NOTHING to do with anyones age (shit, I haven't a clue how old people are); its much more about adoption of new ideas, thoughts....

I have no problem with LED buddy, in case you dont understand, i have LED panels.
They are used for vegging when i use them.

back in 2008, LED sucked ass, really bad.... 2015, still pretty bad, by 2020 they were blowing HID out the water for nearly all applications except for IR & FR.....

except intensity also i might add.

Take it for what it's worth, from someone who's been there all along the ride, and working with some of the best LED MFG's out there, and all the way back to the LED dark days days of Mike and Cammie flame wars over LED's in the late 2000's........

Fun times y'all

How, when this someone cant understand the most simple thing on earth ?
Its even worse, you worked in the industry, and still dont accept normal facts about the field you worked on, i dont get it, am i making this up ? im still waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
Prove me if you want, how you are adding intensity when adding same source output.
Bring bugsbee or whatever his name, let him say it, he will laugh at you all.

exactly ! just cuz you grab onto an idea with both hands, don't make it true or logical....... Like earlier repeatedly saying to me I stated 65w on a diode, which I never did - he obsessed over something I never said and just kept repeating himself..... The Guy won't listen or hear anything anyone else is saying, just keeps repeating the same things... Ones which don't matter to plants, have no basis in science, no basis in reality and no basis if you actually use both side by side, it's called experience and it's terribly lacking in at least one hero in here...

Like you, i keep repeating things that dont matter for trichomes.
have no basis in science and reality hahahaha ahh kids these days
Ive done All kinds of grows, so keep your mouth shut about me friend, you are going way too far describing a person you know SHIT about.

The LED I have, watt for watt produce way more light than the HID, at 3 feet down, 6 feet, 10 feet, any distance...... i don't care how it began, I care how it ends on the plants leafs and is cycled by them within, I've gotten rock hard 2 GPW off LED, plenty of times.... not sure I ever have from HID, close but not quite 2.......

Like i said, talking GPW is the std today, quality is not an issue, lame.
So you dont care your lights only produce 40-60lm per sec ? i mean sure you can use it for veg... but you flower with it also ? light scientist you are not i see

Light on left much brighter than the DE HID - I also run Fluence VYPR 2's elsewhere - anyone who thinks that many low powered diodes don’t grow amazing cannabis and are bright, definitely should check one out before speaking… at @630w IIRC, they compare to 1000w HID, seriously

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Peace out

Everyone knows LED GROWS ! nice plants, but do shit for budz, if you deny that you need high powered output lights to grow decent budz, i would suggest anyone to not take anything you say seriously, you need to go back to 1st grade all over again.

 

[Cerathule]

Amplified Farms Case Study

In addition to the energy savings, the team at Amplified Farms noted the Fluence commercial LED cannabis lighting room achieved higher THC levels and more.

fluence.science

 

[Snipp]

@Cerathule but those are all lying

 

[GoatCheese]

Goatcheese, i really feel that you are seeing too much stalks under your LED to the point you call hairs on a seedling trichomes... not good.

These are called ’globular resin glands’.

You can do first selection for breeding purposes regarding resin production at this stage. Write that down. You're getting schooled over here. This is valuable info i'm handing out. You too @Ca++ .

Use the quote function next time so i can see you better. LOL ... you can’t hide, thou you clearly try.

It’s difficult for you to admit when you’re horribly wrong, Snakey.

 

[snakedope]

These are called ’globular resin glands’.

You can do first selection for breeding purposes regarding resin production at this stage. Write that down. You're getting schooled over here. This is valuable info i'm handing out. You too @Ca++ .

Use the quote function next time so i can see you better. LOL ... you can’t hide, thou you clearly try.

It’s difficult for you to admit when you’re horribly wrong, Snakey.

No problem here buddy, i would be happy to admit im wrong, its not a fight club
Now that you pointed me where to look more closely i do see something in the realm of what u are talking about, hard to judge but seem legit indeed.

I do agree with what you say about breeding this, and sometimes being schooled is good, i didnt know it was a good sign for resin breeding, i mean i did but when u say it and show it like this im more convinced now then before, Well noted and i thank you for this heads up !

i like writing down your name, its not about hiding haha i dont try to hide believe me, just afraid for my own ass being in jail if i go too far, judge me if u want, thats not the point and i dont care less about it.

 

[ledo]

These are called ’globular resin glands’.

You can do first selection for breeding purposes regarding resin production at this stage. Write that down. You're getting schooled over here. This is valuable info i'm handing out. You too @Ca++ .

Yup

 

[Cerathule]

These are called ’globular resin glands’.

You can do first selection for breeding purposes regarding resin production at this stage. Write that down. You're getting schooled over here. This is valuable info i'm handing out. You too @Ca++ .

Use the quote function next time so i can see you better. LOL ... you can’t hide, thou you clearly try.

It’s difficult for you to admit when you’re horribly wrong, Snakey.

I get those in veg at a higher rate when using UVA
also appear at stems

 

[goingrey]

This post is pure waffle..


There is uncertainty over a photon being a wave or particle.

When we talk of the wavelength, it's the horizontal axis. Time taken to change state back in forth. There is no amplitude. With greater energy, or excitement, the state changes faster, rather than the amplitude peak increasing. It's not a peak, but rather a flatline.
It's all pie in the sky, but consider this. We can take two reds and add there energy together. The result isn't a more powerful red. You make a blue. The energy has increased the frequency, not amplitude. What we see as different colours is actually related to the energy the photon carries. Energy and frequency are linked, rather than energy and amplitude.

Having glanced at the topic of waves and particles a few times, light is a particle. Though it doesn't quite fit our need to isolate one and study it as such.

Perhaps string theory or cheerios are easier to digest.


Having had a bowl, I see our colour cones have different chems in them. Each is likely responsive to the frequency of modulation. It can't be the energy carried, or there would be no differentiation. That accepted concept can't be right.

This isn't well studied yet, so many views exist that you need to navigate around. You are almost better off making your own story up. As they all contradict.


Edit: One huge problem with what I just said, is I'm looking at colours as we do. Talking about our eyes perception of differing wavelengths. This is a plant. A plant really does care about the energy side of things. There is undeniable proof of that, but non that frequency matters. Yes we talk about colours, as we see them. However energy and colour are tied, and energy is what we quantify with plant studies.
It seems likely that some chems in the plant will be effected by frequency modulation. I have seen no proof though.

The plants also care about the wavelength. The reason they look green to us is because those wavelengths are reflected and not used to the same extent as other wavelengths. I don't understand your food analogies, but the dual (including wave) nature of light is quite well accepted by most people.

 

[GoatCheese]

I get those in veg at a higher rate when using UVA
also appear at stems

So you see difference in resin production when using UVA with the same seed stock from very early on? Interesting.

The seedling in that pic is about 7-10 days old since i dropped the seed in a glass of water to soak. It was under a 3000K cfl light, iirc. For me i don’t see noticeable difference whether i used fluoros, 3500K Cree cob or Samsung 3500K/5000K strips

Here’s how a really frosty seedling turns out in later life- Not too bad resin for a male that was bloomed under 2x 36w fluoros in 1,5 liters of potting soil, ay ..no hydro or coco manipulation of resin content.
F3 Taskenti (Magic Herbs)
..it's the frostiest male i have bloomed so far.

 

[delta9nxs]

@GoatCheese those pics are cool as fuck!

 

[snakedope]

ay ..no hydro or coco manipulation of resin content.

Why do you like to wake demons up haha
That is one frosty male, i think the trichomes on him are better then some fem led grows ive seen

 

[Ca++]

These are called ’globular resin glands’.

You can do first selection for breeding purposes regarding resin production at this stage. Write that down. You're getting schooled over here. This is valuable info i'm handing out. You too @Ca++ .

Hey, what?

I know there are 3 types of trichones and while we find them on weed plants, they are on others also. It's pretty much anything extending out of a leaf. If that wasn't a trichone, then what would it be..

 

[ledo]

I mostly grow either pure NLD or mostly pure NLD, so those are only pics I have on site here (which are very few but give idea that LED can work) - most this stuff grown under LED only or LED dominate rooms…

 

[ledo]

Some pure NLD bubble pics I made & posted somewhere in here not long ago… I save nothing on my phone & upload elsewhere so slim Pickens but this is some decent hash for sure

I gentle heat press to activate; like Frenchy just totally different style, easier…

See my balls

IIRC one was @11g the other 10g