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Lacto Bacilli: process and discussion
- Thread starter jaykush
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It would be more convincing to me if your arguments were based more on "this does not work" rather than calling me lazy. If you saw my garden you would know this isn't true.
I'm trying to further knowledge here, not step on anybody's ego. The paths are many, but the truth is fuckin' one, ya know?
I'm trying to further knowledge here, not step on anybody's ego. The paths are many, but the truth is fuckin' one, ya know?
NUG-JUG
Member
Hey nobody is calling you lazy. Please skim through the entire thread. Skip the inane bullshit and only read the relevant information. Jaykush tells numerous people to stop trying to speed the process up, and just follow the directions. I did, and my lacto b magic juice is potent.
I appreciate that this tek is a good one. I'm just a little dismayed at how quickly my idea was dismissed by knowledgeable people here with no thought as to whether or not it might actually work. I guess I'll go do some research and report back, maybe my ideas will get a little respect if I have some data.
I'm not trying to get around anything, or skip any steps. I'm looking for alternate routes entirely. If I want a foolproof method, I'll use this one, but there are other ways to get lactobacteria for small scale growing. Live cultures are all around, yogurt being one of the weaker around, probably.
If this tek worked, it would open up lactobacteria to many growers who might not otherwise benefit.
I'm not trying to get around anything, or skip any steps. I'm looking for alternate routes entirely. If I want a foolproof method, I'll use this one, but there are other ways to get lactobacteria for small scale growing. Live cultures are all around, yogurt being one of the weaker around, probably.
If this tek worked, it would open up lactobacteria to many growers who might not otherwise benefit.
i guess lazy was the wrong word. impatient might be better. i guess its because i don't see how one would want to make this even easier or more simple as its by far the easiest thing i have ever made for gardening. it takes 10 minutes of my time over a 2 week period. after that i have enough serum to last months on end. and that i made it all for pennies. no where did i or anyone talk crap on your garden so calm down.
you can use yogurt if you want. im not stopping you, it might work. give it a try, look through a microscope to check for activity and such and let us know.
you can, but you wont get the same results as the lacto b. culture.
no the rice wash is a source of carbs, the honey is a sugar source. no sugars needed unless you want to store your finished culture.
in low concentrations yes, in the concentrations we want no.
once again, if you are doing this for the first time. PLEASE follow the directions the first few times until you have the method down. THEN you can start messing around, switching variables, speeding it up, etc... because after you have done it the original way, you will have a baseline to compare to. if you go off and do whatever first, you don't know what to expect or what you are looking for. if you mess something up chances are you will blame the method not you.
you can use yogurt if you want. im not stopping you, it might work. give it a try, look through a microscope to check for activity and such and let us know.
you can, but you wont get the same results as the lacto b. culture.
no the rice wash is a source of carbs, the honey is a sugar source. no sugars needed unless you want to store your finished culture.
in low concentrations yes, in the concentrations we want no.
once again, if you are doing this for the first time. PLEASE follow the directions the first few times until you have the method down. THEN you can start messing around, switching variables, speeding it up, etc... because after you have done it the original way, you will have a baseline to compare to. if you go off and do whatever first, you don't know what to expect or what you are looking for. if you mess something up chances are you will blame the method not you.
Just remember that you're already set up for this. Someone might not have the bucket/spigot etc. or have some need for an immediate inoculation.
You were totally dismissive of my idea and I have a right to call you on it, even if you are a mod. I was trying to add to the discussion, not distract from it.
You were totally dismissive of my idea and I have a right to call you on it, even if you are a mod. I was trying to add to the discussion, not distract from it.
twrex
Member
lol you don't have to get all crazy with spigots and air locks and all that haha. i use a plastic water bottle, rice wash is a waste product of making my dinner, milk almost everyone has and is in every store, and sugar is dirt cheap.
as for the need for immediate inoculation, use compost tea instead if you need biology asap. 12-24 hours and your shit is done, hell you could even make a compost slurry in 5 minutes if someone is that impatient. its really not that hard to plan 2 weeks ahead to make this stuff.
and i did not dismiss your idea about yogurt, i said it would be far more expensive for farmers to use yogurt than make this culture with rice, milk, sugar and water. i even told you to go for it and give it a try
Good enough. This turned into a decent aside, at least. Your choice of words is still pretty dismissive and almost backhandedly insulting though. "Lazy, impatient" are not words I would use if I was trying to take someone seriously.
I don't really want to continue this conversation because it's pointless and you're not going to admit you were dismissive, even if it's right there in the posts. It's just doubly insulting when you act like it never even happened instead of just saying "sorry bro, I misunderstood you" and moving on.
I'll post my findings if I ever set up any experiments with this, have a nice day.
I don't really want to continue this conversation because it's pointless and you're not going to admit you were dismissive, even if it's right there in the posts. It's just doubly insulting when you act like it never even happened instead of just saying "sorry bro, I misunderstood you" and moving on.
I'll post my findings if I ever set up any experiments with this, have a nice day.
NUG-JUG
Member
lol you don't have to get all crazy with spigots and air locks and all that haha. i use a plastic water bottle, rice wash is a waste product of making my dinner, milk almost everyone has and is in every store, and sugar is dirt cheap.
as for the need for immediate inoculation, use compost tea instead if you need biology asap. 12-24 hours and your shit is done, hell you could even make a compost slurry in 5 minutes if someone is that impatient. its really not that hard to plan 2 weeks ahead to make this stuff.
and i did not dismiss your idea about yogurt, i said it would be far more expensive for farmers to use yogurt than make this culture with rice, milk, sugar and water. i even told you to go for it and give it a try
I've been adding chunks of tempeh,and sauerkraut to some cultures....no difference in the end result that is visible to the eye. Just poking around for different types.
Props to Jaykush 
for educating everybody for 2 years on this thread!!! 
One of the truly beneficial threads on this forum. i love it.
my first post to say thanks to JayK et al for this thread....i have washed rice and collected air from under a healthy bush, a pinch of soil from a 19th century tree nursery, nother pinch'o soil from the top layer of a root ball from last crop, and i swished some leaves of different plants in my yard in the water...its now in the boler room wth th lid on loose...wating for my new frends to multiply......is ths good so far!
thanks for your time!
thanks for your time!
awesome, so...i need to make another batch for my family and pets then...
i will follow the instructions to the T for the consumable batch....do i have to inoculate people and the dogs with the serum staight, or the can the dogs chow down on the cheese??
thanks for the info again!
edit: i done did some searchin, and from what i saw: adding milk to the current rice water when its fermented would be a waste...i will just add some water n mollasses and keep it for foliar aplication. when make the next batch with just air an milk, collecting only lb, after innoculation will it fend off infection in the body?
i will follow the instructions to the T for the consumable batch....do i have to inoculate people and the dogs with the serum staight, or the can the dogs chow down on the cheese??
thanks for the info again!
edit: i done did some searchin, and from what i saw: adding milk to the current rice water when its fermented would be a waste...i will just add some water n mollasses and keep it for foliar aplication. when make the next batch with just air an milk, collecting only lb, after innoculation will it fend off infection in the body?
