Lacto Bacilli: process and discussion

[harold]

great thread! i take it the lower the ph the less chance of undesirables being in the culture? will ph just drop naturally over time?
I plan on making a bokashi meal fertilizer, imagine your dry mix (alfalfa, fish meal, rock phosphate, kelp, rock dust, bio char) and then adding a LB solution until your mix is nice and damp, let it sit for a while. Hopefully you will have a mix that will be readily available to your plants. what do think?

 

[MrFista]

I got some bokashi bran and put it directly on top of a plant, about a tablespoon. The bran immediately was colonised with fungi, the plant looks great.

I did a 1:1000 LAB spray a few days ago. 1 litre to 1000 litres water, and soaked everything in it. Now that's a probiotic regime. Will follow through similar treatment with 1000 litres Water:EM, just brewing a big bottle now.

I love the fact this stuff makes all the animals healthy. I've passed this recipe out a lot.

 

[harold]

bump! i would be very grateful if someone could give me some advice on how to make this culture safer for human consumption.

 

[elito]

has anyone used LB in hydro dwc,i read the thread half way and i dont have the time to finish it,i hope im not asking something that been asked a few pages back

 

[justalilrowdy]

I find this so interesting and have started a project myself for bokashi from a simple recipe i found.. its my first attemp and i just added the milk yesterday so we will see but so far so good.. very scientific..lol
Extreme Bokashi - make your own innoculant
Here's a method called Newspaper Bokashi. You start with the water you wash rice with, ferment it with milk, give your newspaper a bath in the potion, and dry the newspaper. The newspaper is innoculated with your microbes. You then use the bokashi bucket, layering your kitchen scraps with the newspaper instead of bran.
http://bokashicomposting.com/
COLLECTING WILD LACTOBACILLUS
Combine 1 part rice to 2 parts water. Shake or stir vigorously. Drain. The water will be cloudy. Lightly cover it. (Canning jar and ring to hold a coffee filter, cheesecloth or piece of paper towel should work) Air should be able to move in and out. The liquid should fill only 1/4 to 1/2 of the jar. Need a LOT of air exposure. Place in a cool dark place for 4 - 8 days. It should smell somewhat sour. Strain out any particles.

PURIFYING THE LACTOBACILLUS
Put the ricewater in a larger container. Add 10 parts milk or skim milk. Cover lightly, ferment for 14 days. Most of he solids should float to the top, leaving a yellowish liquid. Strain off the solids. This is your purified lactobacillus serum. (Don't you feel like a real scientist now?)

INNOCULATING YOUR NEWSPAPER
Take 1 part serum, 1 part molasses and 6 parts water. Soak newspapers, then drain. Put the newspaper in ziplock bags, squeeze air out and ferment for 10 days to 2 weeks. Remove newspaper, separate the layers and lay them out to dry.
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NO-JUICE METHOD
Start with 2 to 3 inches of absorbent material - newspaper, sawdust, etc.

Use high-carbohydrate waste as the bottom layer. Layer no more than 1/2 inch of waste, 1 layer of newspaper, repeat.

Chopping the waste small gives a faster, more uniform end result. Press out as much air as possible each time you add waste. Save your scraps and try to only open the bucket once a day to add more.

 

[nvthis]

Great thread

 

[justalilrowdy]

cooked and refridgerated.. so easy a caveman could do it!

 

[Clackamas Coot]

I find this so interesting and have started a project myself for bokashi from a simple recipe i found.. its my first attemp and i just added the milk yesterday so we will see but so far so good.. very scientific..lol
Extreme Bokashi - make your own innoculant
Here's a method called Newspaper Bokashi. You start with the water you wash rice with, ferment it with milk, give your newspaper a bath in the potion, and dry the newspaper. The newspaper is innoculated with your microbes. You then use the bokashi bucket, layering your kitchen scraps with the newspaper instead of bran.
http://bokashicomposting.com/
COLLECTING WILD LACTOBACILLUS
Combine 1 part rice to 2 parts water. Shake or stir vigorously. Drain. The water will be cloudy. Lightly cover it. (Canning jar and ring to hold a coffee filter, cheesecloth or piece of paper towel should work) Air should be able to move in and out. The liquid should fill only 1/4 to 1/2 of the jar. Need a LOT of air exposure. Place in a cool dark place for 4 - 8 days. It should smell somewhat sour. Strain out any particles.

PURIFYING THE LACTOBACILLUS
Put the ricewater in a larger container. Add 10 parts milk or skim milk. Cover lightly, ferment for 14 days. Most of he solids should float to the top, leaving a yellowish liquid. Strain off the solids. This is your purified lactobacillus serum. (Don't you feel like a real scientist now?)

INNOCULATING YOUR NEWSPAPER
Take 1 part serum, 1 part molasses and 6 parts water. Soak newspapers, then drain. Put the newspaper in ziplock bags, squeeze air out and ferment for 10 days to 2 weeks. Remove newspaper, separate the layers and lay them out to dry.
__________________
NO-JUICE METHOD
Start with 2 to 3 inches of absorbent material - newspaper, sawdust, etc.

Use high-carbohydrate waste as the bottom layer. Layer no more than 1/2 inch of waste, 1 layer of newspaper, repeat.

Chopping the waste small gives a faster, more uniform end result. Press out as much air as possible each time you add waste. Save your scraps and try to only open the bucket once a day to add more.

I've been adding about 1/2 of homemade bokashi bran to 5 gallons of potting soil and I feel that it's a definite benefit.

CC

 

[guest2012y]

I wax my car with it!...........Really though I just keep it in the fridge and add a tiny splash to my aerated teas 24 hours before feeding time. I think that works.

 

[rrog]

I have been making this and using through the entire grow. I have nothing to say this is better than not using it, but my understanding of the micro-bio tells me it's definitely a great thing.

Regarding eating it, why not just eat yogurt? Or make you're own yogurt like I do. LactoB

 

[dabbler]

Can I use pond water to for rice wash?

Can I use pond water to for rice wash?

I dont want to use my tap water because of chlorine issues. I water my plants with pond water throughout the entire grow.
So I was thinking that I could use pond water to wash the rice in step 1 and possibly collect more LB bacteria that are not airborne and may be present in the pond?

Would this be ok or would it cause problems?

 

[jaykush]

i have never used pondwater before dabbler. you can just let the tap water sit out in the sun for a day and use that. the sun evaporates chlorine.

 

[Stoned Crow]

I dont want to use my tap water because of chlorine issues. I water my plants with pond water throughout the entire grow.
So I was thinking that I could use pond water to wash the rice in step 1 and possibly collect more LB bacteria that are not airborne and may be present in the pond?

Would this be ok or would it cause problems?

I've used pond water alot in the past, and it worked great. Our pond would freeze almost all the way through in winter (we're a ways north), but when spring came, that water was/is alive with things I've never seen before....SC

EDIT: From my experience, the only worry I have with pond water is the high salt content that sometimes occurs.....SC

 

[PetFlora]

I am assuming 'lacto" means dairy based. Most acidophilus/yoghurt is made from commercial dairy milk- at the bare minimum it contains BGH, and antibiotics.

However, there is a soil-based probiotic organism (SBO) sold under the name Pet Flora, which consists of a wide variety of SBOs. It is a powder that comes in capsules for dogs, cats, and humans. I take it daily, but I am running an aero rig. It will not work there as it becomes activated as soon as it is wet. Should be great for soil grows.

 

[mad librettist]

no, lacto does not mean milk based. it got the name from a historical association with milk, but that's as far as it goes. the genus can survive on any kind of sugar, not just lactose. there are a billion lactobacilli on your hands right now. In fact, the technology is now there to identify you positively using the bacterial footprint you leave, which is unique to you (hey, just like plants!)

L. acidophilus is indeed a lactobacillus. when you see "acidophilus" on a package, it is a catch all term for bacteria that make yogurt.

 

[Burney]

I use Lacto as a foliar spray and soil drench
I also use 'Garbage Enzyme' (gargle it)
Lacto is the CHEESE
I love it

 

[jammie]

wow- garbage enzymes- learned something new today

 

[ISP_SmokeTrain]

Cool thread. I'm going to give this a go. Thanks Jaykush.

 

[grandmasgreenma]

vitamins and bacteria

vitamins and bacteria

i was wondering if anyone else has ever tried using vitamins from health dept. at your local dept store.i have found lacto bacilli among many others.also using enzymes.will let everyone know how it grows.

 

[Burney]

i was wondering if anyone else has ever tried using vitamins......
yes i have crushed 1 vitamin C tablet and also 1 St Joseph 84mg aspirin tablet in watering solution