Jamaican Strain Identification?

[pescador]

Pescador - it's certainly fine indoors - 8-9 weeks in both soil and hydro, with almost identical results. More purpling in soil I noticed. I'm giving out the first cut of this on Saturday to another member, as I think it should be taken further, on all levels! It needs a name urgently, for ID as much as anything else - me and the guy who brought the seeds back are trying to think of one now...

I've also got my Ja X Flo seeds to test - or 'Ja-Lo', as I'm thinking of calling it...

My vote for a name would be "Purple Jam".

 

[pescador]

tiedye420

Sorry, I somehow accidentally skipped over your post. Sorry to hear about the ripper.


Hope you still have enough good smoke to enjoy.

All the best and stay safe

pescador

 

[Elevator Man]

Well...some more info now on the origins of this, after our chat this weekend. The weed was from the Kentish area of St. Catherine's parish - haven't had that specific info before. And given the mellow smoke and very mild flavour/smell (though not potency!), I'm thinking of something like 'Kentish Creme'...

Given this is far removed from what I'd call a typical Jamaican, I'm not sure whether it might confuse folks to call it 'Jamaican - XXX', if they're expecting your usual thin-leafed South Indian style plant. And once it gets worked on a little (like my Flo cross), it won't be much like anything! But given it's from that area, and it's certainly not been used before, I might just go with that...

 

[pescador]

Good reasoning elevator man, and great name.


I was thinking, that seeing that most of the imported genes to Jamaica are hermie free, then finding a hermie may be an indicator that original Jamaican genes are present.

 

[Elevator Man]

Pescador - never seen a banana on this strain that's for sure, and it doesn't look like it ever would throw one - it's almost a pure indica in terms of bud structure and resin content. In fact the resin content is outrageous to be honest - right up there with the best. I just dug out these seeded clone shots - can't remember whether I included these before, but they certainly show the potential for hash-making:



I still have no idea what the parentage could be, but having seen some larger plants now, there's clearly sativa in there somewhere, but it seems rock-solid in terms of sexual stability. There's a few other seeds from the same batch this came from have gone out to another member, and there could well be a good male in there, but if it was randomly pollenated in the first place, then there's no telling what the results would be.

 

[titoon29]

Hi !

Awesome thread elevator man !
I just pick up some clones from a jamaican pearl mother selected... This is an incredible yielder, and with an awesome high... The only problem is that she takes 15 weeks... From caribbean weeds i ve seen so far she looks a lot bigger, but maybe she has taken only the kick ass high part from jamaican, along with the flowering time, and the early pearl yielding ( the father ?)

Here the only picture i got, hydroponics under 400 or 600W...

I love your pink buds
All the best

 

[Ras Pablo]

Two Jamaican 85´

 

[Guest]

We're getting together at the weekend for a 'summit' on this one - me, the guy who brought the seeds back, another guy who grows it, and an IC Mag member for sanity's sake. We're going to smoke a bunch and so some 'analysis'...

We'll also come up with a name, definitely, but will put those suggestions in the pot for starters! And a clone will finally leave here...

I was the lucky icmagger, and I have to say, there was some great smoke that weekend. I took the fruits of my recent harvest - 4 different Purple Afghan phenos, Cheese, OG Kush and Egyptian and I have to say, one of the most enlightening moments of the evening was when I held a nugget of OG Kush side-by-side with a nugget of Jamaican. Now, the OG Kush is a very resinous strain for sure, but next to it, the Jamaican was a whole level higher in terms of visible resin, the Jamaican has huge numbers of extremely large, long trichomes giving it a furry appearance, it looked 2-3x as resinous as the OG, which is pretty insane and gave us all a good chuckle that one of our unknown clones from the North of England had the legendary Og beat hands down for appearance.

Now, the smoke, well, it's fantasticly tasty. When I first sampled it a while back, I immediately thought it was extremely tasty and described it as tasting like a hot beef and onion sandwich. Now I've tried other samples grown differently, I still think it's very, very tasty, not sure on the flavour, further testing required, but I remember thinking of musky, spicy things and Worcester Sauce. Potenccy? Well, it's got nothing to fear from the OG on that score, the OG imaprts a heavy body and mind stone that makes you feel like you are melting. The Jamaican is similarly numbing and sedating but it has more effect in the head and seems a more complex mix of stone and high. Again, further testing required for me to have a firm opinion.

So to sum up, I drove 150 miles through a storm to meet some wonderful people with a great love of cannabis and many years of growing and smoking, much knowledge and wisdom was shared, much smoke was inhaled, good times were had by all. Samples were shared and tested, seeds were exchanged and the craic was thoroughly had. And there's me thinking my super frosty and ultra dense nuggets of OG Kush would thoroughly impress everyone, one of Cali's best in the heart of northern England. Well bugger me, they had something more exotic, more resinous, more tasty and perhaps more potent, so although the OG was enjoyed and positive noises emitted, this unknown Jamaican definitely took the prize for best weed.

To compound the 'elite' big-name strain's come-up-ance, not only was my cali elite upstaged by some Caribbean upstart, but my lovely, stinky, tasty Cheese met it's match in an unknown cut that is probably as old as the Cheese, certainly 15 years old so it is said. This cut has the Cheese matched in terms of smell - it has no name, simply being known as 'The Smelly One', taste - it is a deliciously sour, lemony flavour, resin - perhaps frostier than the Cheese as the bud leaves were coated to the tips in trichomes and potency - a similarly heady high to the Cheese, but after smoking more, a body stone comes through. The origins have been much discussed, some say it;s an old Northern Lights, or perhpas it's NL x Big Bud or NL x Haze? Who knows, but I think it's 60% sativa at least.

The best thing about our 'summit' meeting? I departed not only with samples of the Jamaican 'Kentish Creme' and mysterious 'Smelly One', but well-rooted, perfectly healthy clones of both strains! I also was very pleased to be gifted a Flo cut, and after sampling the outdoor Flo, I have to say it has a rather unique taste and appearance, the calyxes and bud leaves taking on a subtle lavender hue and having a gorgeous minty flavour. I was also delighted to be gifted the 6 remaining Jamaican seeds from the same source that the 'Kentish Creme' cut was grown from. I promised to grow them out and do my best to find suitable breeding partners for the lovely Miss Creme, I'm really excited to be given this chance to work with these fantastic and rare genetics, I have them safely in my freezer and have 3 clones of the Creme in my aerocloner so the work will begin after Christmas. I hope that the generous people who passed on the Creme and Smelly to me were half as pleased with the Purple Afghan crosses I gave them in seedform as I was with genes they gave me.

I will also do a variety of outcrosses to assess the stability and combining ability of the Creme and to find out which traits she passes on.

No-one was silyl enough to try and rate the samples, but I'd say if you were interested in such things, I would have rated them something like this:

1st Jamaican
2nd OG Kush
3rd Smelly One/Cheese

Honorable mentions: Purple Afghan pheno #4 and outdoor Flo

'What the hell is that?' award: Egyptian

Overall verdict: We will definitely have to continue to meetup and share genes and hopefully involve others with like minds and generous hearts. The cannabis seed business is shady to say the least and the sharks are many and predatory, by sharing and working together, we can have all the 'elite' quality genes we need without spending any money and funding the sharks.

Here are some pics of some of the buds I took to our 'summit':

Egyptian:

Cheese:

Purple Afghan #3:

Purple Afghan #4:

Purple Afghan #6:

 

[truecannabliss]

Sounds like a great time, good to see uk'ers hooking up.
Peace

 

[Guest]

I didn't take my camera with me, but I'm sure Elevator Man has a few pics of the Jamaican and Smelly One.

Here's the clones I have just after I took 3 cuts from each:

I'm feeling quite controversial today, I've just sampled a lower bud from my SSSDH and I think my Mexican from bagseed is better, it certains yields a lot more.

I've got some Dark Kush landrace indicas a couple of weeks into veg, it's described as 'herbal valium'. If i find one that is better than OG Kush will I really upset people?

Maybe you can come and join the fun next time we meet up, True?

 

[Elevator Man]

It was indeed a fun evening, and a rare opportunity to really chat about nothing else. Only problem with one evening is it's hard to truly ascertain the best qualities of each sample obviously, as they all tend to overlap by the end. At least I didn't have to drive all the way home again with clones in the car, so kudos for that!

As for the Jamaican, it is definitely something special. I personally find it equally stimulating as sedating, nicely balanced in fact, but the potency is undeniable, and very heady. And resin content is off the scale - whether all the trichomes are resin-bearing is worth investigating, as many seem to be non-capitate in shape - i.e. no head, but they appear to go milky/amber along with the capitate glands. Strange.

The only similar glandular formation I've seen is in the Cannabible, Vol.1, and it's a strain called 'Mystique', with a similar flavour description too, but I know nothing more about it. Only time will tell what this can produce, but my 18 Kentish Creme X purple Flo seeds are seriously beginning to rattle in their vial!

As for pics of those two strains BH mentioned - oh yeah, I got plenty...

Kentish Creme (Mystery Jamaican):






Mystery Strain (the smelly one):

 

[Guest]

Lovely pics, and they smoke as well as they look.

The moral of the story seems to be that a cut doesn't need to be famous or have a name to be 'elite' quality. To me, the value of growing things like the OG and Cheese has been to have a benchmark to judge the quality of strains grown from seed.

The Kentish Creme may breed well, or it may prove not to, not being true-breeding for it;s desirable traits. Only way to find out her combining abilities and to find out what traits she passes on is to make outcrosses and test grow them. Your proven Flo male is a good starting point for sure, as you know the Flo line very well, test growing the Creme x Flo (hehe, call it 'Creamy Flo') would give you a good insight into what traits the Jamaican has handed down and how stable she is as if the F1s contain 3 main phenos, you know both sides of the cross are pretty stable and true-breeding.

I don't have any proven males at the moment, but I might use the best Dark Kush, Trainwreck and Sour Diesel males to pollinate creme cuts in the near future.

Sour Diesel x Kentish Creme = Sour Cream
Dark Kush x Kentish Creme = Dark Kent (pun on Superman's alter ego... anyone?)

Although I take the mickey out of all the fancy names folks give things these days, it's kinda fun dreaming up names... lol

 

[Elevator Man]

New Kentish Creme Harvest...

New Kentish Creme Harvest...

A friend cut a harvest of 'the Creme' today - he decided to grow untopped clones, which was a mistake, as they became six-foot trees in no time, and he's lost a lot of weight to branches - it's quite a chunky strain, and needs to be kept bushy, with many tops. That said, the tops he did get were some of the most unusual and wild-looking I've ever seen.

Of particular note this time are the insanely large calyxes - these were bottom buds struggling for light, but even so, these are the biggest calyxes I have ever seen by a LONG way, and would love to know if anyone else has ever experienced anything like this? The 18 seeds I made with Flo are huge, and I have 8 of those germinating now - I just had to!

I'm now convinced that this plant is the result of accidental or deliberate pollenation of a landrace Jamaican strain with some outrageously old-fashioned Kush or other indica - possibly Deep Chunk, OG Kush or something similar, as it has a very familar look to it. The resin coverage is off the scale as always - I'm growing OG Kush at the moment, and it's the same level as that, with the same giant calyxes and golfball buds that stay separate. However, the Creme excels in webbed, threadlike trichomes, especially under the leaves, and this is a glorious example.

We can only keep speculating for now, but please enjoy the latest, and wackiest, harvest pics of this amazing plant!

 

[motaco]

lol. yeah I've seen calyx's that big but only on one other strain the molokai

 

[Elevator Man]

Funny, I was just looking at the Molokai in the Cannabible - does look similar. The seeds I made from the little clones last year are huge too - it really does have some monster calyxes under any conditions, but these new ones are ridiculous.

 

[titoon29]

Awesome picts
Love these big calyxes, never seen any weed in west indies lookin like that, so much resin !!! That's for sure a keeper !

Now starting a 15 weeks flowering jamaican pearl grow, and starting to unlearn the word indica, thanks to you guys !!!

 

[Elevator Man]

And now dry...

And now dry...

Here's a few new pics of those KC buds above, now dry. Interestingly, the flavour and aroma are both stronger than before when I grew it - sharper, slightly more fruity, less earthy and more sweet. The only difference is that this was a hydro crop, whereas mine was soil.



The other totally unique identifier (in my experience anyway), are the threadlike trichomes that coat the undersides of the bud-leaves. These actually tangle together, though strangely many seem to be non-capitate, and yet still full of resin.

Also presented for your delectation is a direct comparison between Kentish Creme and OG Kush, now that I finally have both in my possession at the same time! The OG is a seriously resinous strain to be sure, but for overall coverage, to almost furry levels, it's the KC every time. Hopefully folks can spot which is which in each pic without me giving the answers...

 

[Guest]

Looks superb mate, just as I remember it! When I compared the outdoor KC bud to my indoor OG bud the KC was more frosty looking, largely due to the larger size of both the resin heads and the stalks of the glands too. I can tell right away which is which as I got to do the same comparison in the palm of my hand a while back. All I'll say is, the KC looks prettier than the OG and nore silver, in the last pic the comparison is really good, shows the larger calyxes and more silvery look of the KC buds off well.

 

[Guest]

Here's a few new pics of those KC buds above, now dry. Interestingly, the flavour and aroma are both stronger than before when I grew it - sharper, slightly more fruity, less earthy and more sweet. The only difference is that this was a hydro crop, whereas mine was soil.



The other totally unique identifier (in my experience anyway), are the threadlike trichomes that coat the undersides of the bud-leaves. These actually tangle together, though strangely many seem to be non-capitate, and yet still full of resin.

Also presented for your delectation is a direct comparison between Kentish Creme and OG Kush, now that I finally have both in my possession at the same time! The OG is a seriously resinous strain to be sure, but for overall coverage, to almost furry levels, it's the KC every time. Hopefully folks can spot which is which in each pic without me giving the answers...

i think you got those dialled in rather well ,,,awesome buds

 

[Guest]

why do you guys have to be soooo far away?fuck it, ill build a raft.