It's the CLUBS not the GROWERS!!!

[SacredTHCRitual]

I think it was already said but I want to point it out again because they made a good point

if a medical patient is truly sick and cannot afford the medicine, I have never seen a club that calls itself compassion ever deny that person cheaper access. If the patient is honest with his caregiver or club, they will most definitely work something out...but on the flip side, these young kids that have money and are using the prop 215 system to their advantage to get high on the med supply then it is still a novelty and one best expect a tax on that service and novelty...I think people should be able to still get high but should they be able to do it for as cheap as somebody really really needing it?? you be the judge...

..the clubs have their own unique business niche, a weekend farmers market would have its own niche as well

This thread got off to a bad start because it starts of shunning the finger and giving the stink eye to the clubs...the clubs can mark up or profit how ever they like because of the facts stated above.

Be glad its not like a methadone or opiate clinic where they literally have you by the balls with your meds...can't realistically grow your own poppies unfortunately...but hey if you don't like the system, A. grow your own weed (do this anyways)...B. others probably think like you do, talk to others, organize, create a new system or a club alternative...if the idea is grand, people will flock to it...ill see yal there

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I think you're paying a lot more for the product to get INTO your hands than you are paying for production.

By default, this would suggest the markup goes to the delivery service, not the producer.

$1200 + dispensary markup = as high as $7680. As high as $6480 differential.

...if you dont do work you cant ever understand everything that goes into it. its the same as people who say it is so easy to run a business but have never owned one themselfs...

Don't have to understand the minutia of "that's the way it is." Legal dispensaries are using high-end black market retail. Based on other threads here, less than top-quality outdoor mj is making it tough for the expert indoor-grower who by all accounts has better quality.

Don't have to understand what's not being said. Other than the grower that just got clipped for $1200/lb can escape the rip next haul and hopefully make better wholesale. And some will no longer curse the distributor for ripping them at $1200/lb. They'll silently appreciate the fact that the distributor artificially inflates legal retail with black market pricing.

Do you run a retail establishment? Does this keep you from understanding that legal dispensaries are making 20 to 30% net-profit when the average for retail is 2 to 3%?

Sorry, gay references = fail

 

[dagnabit]

ill buy every single $1200 lb of top shelf out there....
hell ill cut the dispensaries and pay 1800.

ill shut down the lights tomorrow.

 

[Storm Shadow]

This thread is spinning in circles like my puppy does before she pinches her load....

Grow the absolute Bomb and I swear you'll never have anything to cry about...people will be jocking

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

ill buy every single $1200 lb of top shelf out there....
hell ill cut the dispensaries and pay 1800.

ill shut down the lights tomorrow.

shitttt

take out a 50k loan tonight brah


lol

 

[bbing]

Its not mid quality outdoor DB, its mendo fuggerz runnin "purple" from many tagged greenies..

maybe?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

It's not the clubs or the growers - it's prohibition. We both face all sorts of risks that would be substantially less frequent in a legal market. Until that day it is what it is. All I can say is those who truly need it and can't afford it have never gone without....at least not at any of my establishments

 

[Weed-Luver]

It's not the clubs or the growers - it's prohibition. We both face all sorts of risks that would be substantially less frequent in a legal market. Until that day it is what it is. All I can say is those who truly need it and can't afford it have never gone without....at least not at any of my establishments

Wrong...Greed is the root of all evil..just like the NFL everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie..prohibition won't end anything..
somebody will always undercut another in the name of money..
but let this be said, BHT your one hell of a guy for not letting suffering patients go without..
and as stated i would definetly give up 4800lb for 1600lb to be legal...Anyday...
peace wl

 

[DoobieDuck]

...is it the clubs or the growers?
lets try to stay on topic here...

I'll fall back on what I said before..

I was disappointed in getting only 1800 for mine, what I considered elite, top shelf cannabis

I got 2800 last year...both were sold directly to the same collective. It is retailing it for 5600.

Now most important, I say I was disappointed, but not unsatisfied. I'm happy with that, it will provide some much needed help to the wifey and I, it will help off set the electrical costs, trimmers help and costs, etc. Plus I got a summer of therapy in my garden, something you can't put a price on! I like you guys and this thread..I'd hate to see the question get answered LOL! DD

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Wrong...Greed is the root of all evil..just like the NFL everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie..prohibition won't end anything..
somebody will always undercut another in the name of money..
but let this be said, BHT your one hell of a guy for not letting suffering patients go without..
and as stated i would definetly give up 4800lb for 1600lb to be legal...Anyday...
peace wl

Prohibition won't end greed - but it will make people need not worry about producing and distributing larger quantities thus forcing the market price down

 

[TruthOrLie]

I just had to laugh to myself while driving today...

I just had to laugh to myself while driving today...

So you're comparing top shelf herb to $500 watermelons and LouisXIII cognac...

How many $500 watermelons do people buy a month?

How many bottles of LouisXIII does your average cognac drinker purchase?

I'll bet a lot more money is made off of "regular" watermelons and bottles of E&J.

...

Unlike $500 watermelons and LouisXIII, some people really need some good weed. They NEED it. Thats why they pay robbery prices.

...

I used to get ounces of butane hash oil for $240.

I didn't prepare the soil.

I didn't blend the nutes.

I didn't water the plants.

I didn't harvest, dry, cure.

I didn't process the oil.

All I did was package it for an hour into 30 containers and take it to the dispensary where I wanted $12 a gram and they only wanted to give $10.

Well, I took the $10 and made my $40/hr for the day.

Next time they wanted more, I asked for my $12 and got $60/hr.

30 containers.

30 felonies.

Once I figured out the risk, it wasn't worth it making in one hour what many people make in an 8hr day standing on their feet.

...

What you guys defending your "prices" don't realize, is all the hard work you do, if this stuff is truly "legalized" then billionaire individuals and billionaire corporations can invest and produce QUALITY $100 ounces of "almost-kush"

If you could buy some good stuff for $100 an oz, the only people buying your homegrown for $300 are those same folks willing to chuck away a couple racks on a bottle of LouisXIII... and that's not many folks.

So yea, your homegrown is nice, your warehouse of hard work is terrific. But its terribly marked up and its not because of your skill.

...

Its like gold. You can buy fake gold that looks like the real stuff, but its not the real stuff.

That's what a lot of this homegrown, warehouse, illegal bullshit is.

Some knockoff, early harvested, poorly dried/cured that looks like the real stuff.

When its legal and the big money can produce the real stuff without legal problems, the price will plummet.

 

[dagnabit]

So you're comparing top shelf herb to $500 watermelons and LouisXIII cognac...

How many $500 watermelons do people buy a month?

How many bottles of LouisXIII does your average cognac drinker purchase?

I'll bet a lot more money is made off of "regular" watermelons and bottles of E&J.

...

Unlike $500 watermelons and LouisXIII, some people really need some good weed. They NEED it. Thats why they pay robbery prices.

...

I used to get ounces of butane hash oil for $240.

I didn't prepare the soil.

I didn't blend the nutes.

I didn't water the plants.

I didn't harvest, dry, cure.

I didn't process the oil.

All I did was package it for an hour into 30 containers and take it to the dispensary where I wanted $12 a gram and they only wanted to give $10.

Well, I took the $10 and made my $40/hr for the day.

Next time they wanted more, I asked for my $12 and got $60/hr.

30 containers.

30 felonies.

Once I figured out the risk, it wasn't worth it making in one hour what many people make in an 8hr day standing on their feet.

...

What you guys defending your "prices" don't realize, is all the hard work you do, if this stuff is truly "legalized" then billionaire individuals and billionaire corporations can invest and produce QUALITY $100 ounces of "almost-kush"

If you could buy some good stuff for $100 an oz, the only people buying your homegrown for $300 are those same folks willing to chuck away a couple racks on a bottle of LouisXIII... and that's not many folks.

So yea, your homegrown is nice, your warehouse of hard work is terrific. But its terribly marked up and its not because of your skill.

...

Its like gold. You can buy fake gold that looks like the real stuff, but its not the real stuff.

That's what a lot of this homegrown, warehouse, illegal bullshit is.

Some knockoff, early harvested, poorly dried/cured that looks like the real stuff.

When its legal and the big money can produce the real stuff without legal problems, the price will plummet.

most of your louis is sold at $200 an oz in high end restaurants nd bars

and there is alot sold every day.

same thing will happen in a legal mj market.

sure some folks will buy "good enough"

but there will always be those willing to pay $30g for the best.
growers with the best will get what the market will bear.

thats all. nothing more nothing less.

im not commenting on the morality of it.

im just saying that when "legal" happens (still waiting for any of you to define it so we can then truly discuss it's effect on the market) top shelf prices wont change much.

yes the other striations of quality will see some fluctuation but the best quality product will still see $300.00 per oz at the retail level.

the only way for any of us to be proven right/wrong is for "legalization" (whatever that moving target) to happen...

oh and for the densuke melons?
well there wont be any more...

at least not the kind that dont glow...
they were grown outside sendai.

if you want to make extra loot grow some of these

it's really simple to do (you need bees and they are dying off)
and they will fetch a premium at local restaurants and gift shops

 

[TruthOrLie]

dude. take away the risk factor, no one is paying you $300 an oz to water some plants an hour a day for 2 months.

louisXIII sold for $200 an oz takes 100 YEARS to blend. _100 YEARS_

gold isn't a safe business to trade in. Its "legal" but its not safe. you can't just have a store full gold with no security.

maybe "legal" is the hang up term here.

As long as selling bud is not "Safe" then it will have this premium... because the producers and distributors have costs to pay to remain safe.

As soon as people stop robbing people for it and you can buy it like other perishable goods...

well, I give up.

I can't predict the future.

I believe its terribly over priced now.

Even when its under priced, its over priced.

 

[dagnabit]

dude. take away the risk factor, no one is paying you $300 an oz to water some plants an hour a day for 2 months.

that's where you are WAY off...

but you've never done the work so we cant explain it to you.

if that was all it took to produce medicine there would not be so many threads from growers in the infirmary.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

It's not the clubs or the growers - it's prohibition. We both face all sorts of risks that would be substantially less frequent in a legal market. Until that day it is what it is. All I can say is those who truly need it and can't afford it have never gone without....at least not at any of my establishments

Realistic and compassionate. You and Duck make for sound reasoning.

 

[TruthOrLie]

that's where you are WAY off...

but you've never done the work so we cant explain it to you.

if that was all it took to produce medicine there would not be so many threads from growers in the infirmary.

Show me the guy buying a $300 oz of tobacco and you win.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

im just saying that when "legal" happens (still waiting for any of you to define it so we can then truly discuss it's effect on the market) top shelf prices wont change much.

You only need a definition of convoluted legality. Otherwise try common sense reasoning. I think you mentioned you can dance in front of a cop on the street corner with weed wrapped around your neck. If that were true, that's a good example of legal... or dancing in front of a derelict cop.

With legality, capitalism can and may run amok. In other words, a legal whatever may incur illegality if and when regulation/enforcement materializes.

This is a hypothetical example, not hyperbole like you've previously hammered.

"Legal" isn't necessarily static. We've got wet jurisdictions, dry jurisdictions and a plethora of regulation in between. When we get to liquor, federal laws clear the waters somewhat. Except for the jurisdictions that go above and beyond federal regulation.

Example? No jurisdictional liquor sales, regardless what the feds allow. No wine or beer sales on Sunday. Feds don't require dry Sundays for beer and wine. One has to apply aspects to what legality you're referencing.

I believe Merriam Webster also qualifies as legal definition of legal. If you have a point, make an offer. Are you suggesting that opponents of your way of thinking can't figure out what legal means?

yes the other striations of quality will see some fluctuation but the best quality product will still see $300.00 per oz at the retail level.

Quantifying is subjective. You've already paired $100 from your best-quality scenario. A few posts back, your $400 ounce in 1997 is still going for $400 today.

the only way for any of us to be proven right/wrong is for "legalization" (whatever that moving target) to happen.

Nobody's proving anything accept the past and present. That's why quantifying anything you're having trouble defining is moot.

IMO, the discussion here is idealism vs realism. Buy low / sell high / astronomical net vs buy fair / sell fair / fair net. Nobody questions black market ethics, it is what it is. Pluck the black market from the equation and observe capitalist ethics. It is what it is. That's why regulation is reality, when and where it applies. IMO, it'll apply here. What and when presents more uncertainty.

At present. adding if, what and when together is a bit subjective. Applying capitalist principles to free market aspects is objective. This doesn't force anybody to accept what hasn't taken place. Objective reasoning suggests it will, based on the macro... where macro is the market. Macro isn't a comparison of seller vs buyer idealistic reasoning.

Here's a legal scenario - if working within the parameters, no fine, no bust, no incarceration. Making the legal aspect any more confusing and one might think you're setting up a coin-flip argument. Why not make your own definition. And if there's anything you wish to add, take a shot. Who knows? You might demonstrate a welcome aspect.

oh and for the densuke melons?
well there wont be any more...

at least not the kind that dont glow...
they were grown outside sendai.

if you want to make extra loot grow some of these

it's really simple to do (you need bees and they are dying off)
and they will fetch a premium at local restaurants and gift shops

Maybe you'll receive invitation to $200/oz shot parties, Playboy Mansion, etc and name your price? Until then, try making fewer certainties.

And try not to take this personal. How many times have you heard, "It's business, nothing personal"?

 

[TruthOrLie]

Whats the legal status of MJ in Japan by the way? I'm sure those ladies would much rather be selling $100 ounces of MJ than those stupid heart shaped watermelons. And I bet they'd make a shit ton more money, too.

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

Show me the guy buying a $300 oz of tobacco and you win.

Don't need to show you that and we win, people are paying 300 an oz and more for marijuana, supply and demand, price is set at what the market will bear. Free market!

How may times do I have to tell you that man, you cannot argue with that. As long as people need what I have, they will pay whatever they can justify for it and price is set. Sounds like you are just on the wrong damn side of the equation man.

Suppy and demand, market sets price, that to me is an end game in this thread. Watermelons, tobacco, tomatos, are NOT marijuana. People pay what they pay. Sounds like you should try and smoke what you can afford.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Are you being serious? You really think the price is that high because people think thats a fair price? You're trying to tell me that if this stuff was legal in the US, and became legal elsewhere in the world, that people couldn't import top shelf for dirt cheap? You're freaking me out.

Then explain to me why it costs half as much on the West Coast than it does on the East Coast? How about down in the south? Explain to me why costs are so different... oh, I forgot, because people on the East Coast can just afford to pay more for less.