joaquin386
Active member
S G,
a Punto Rojo seed is not the same than a Punto Rojo seedline IMO
1 puntorrojo seed can´t originate a seedline unless it´s outcrossed or the original mother was hermie...
Jesus was born like that
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Is Nevilles Haze still the strongest haze?
- Thread starter JKD
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Jesus was born like that
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Cinderella99
LOL ^^
Moppel, are you sure there's something out there that's an undiscovered gem? I have more faith in human networks to have been able to bring the "gems" to the forefront and then for the capitalistic system to have been able to hone these genes in to the excellent strains that we have access to today.
That's not to say that there aren't pure landrace sativas that have been pushed out of the masses' reach do to them being perceived as obsolete and impractical for todays growing style and demand for powerful, quick and high yielding indicas. These aren't undiscovered, though --as you point out.
However, I'll bet there's some stuff still floating around the hills in NorCal, grown by small groups, that more closely resembles some peoples' ideal haze than what can be purchased in seed form today. I just don't think that any of these "undiscovered" hazes have any more of a chance of being the agreed upon haze than what's currently available. 90% of the haze legend that we have today has been fed/developed by people puffing on Sam, Shanti and Tom's hazes. As you can see, I'm more of a pragmatist than a purist. Peace.
Moppel, are you sure there's something out there that's an undiscovered gem? I have more faith in human networks to have been able to bring the "gems" to the forefront and then for the capitalistic system to have been able to hone these genes in to the excellent strains that we have access to today.
That's not to say that there aren't pure landrace sativas that have been pushed out of the masses' reach do to them being perceived as obsolete and impractical for todays growing style and demand for powerful, quick and high yielding indicas. These aren't undiscovered, though --as you point out.
However, I'll bet there's some stuff still floating around the hills in NorCal, grown by small groups, that more closely resembles some peoples' ideal haze than what can be purchased in seed form today. I just don't think that any of these "undiscovered" hazes have any more of a chance of being the agreed upon haze than what's currently available. 90% of the haze legend that we have today has been fed/developed by people puffing on Sam, Shanti and Tom's hazes. As you can see, I'm more of a pragmatist than a purist. Peace.
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hulkbogan
Who care's where it originally came from. Good haze will send you to outer space and the sweet spicy candy incense smell and flavor is really memorable.
happyhi
Member
sorry
sorry
sorry for not being specific enough, it all started with a few seeds found in a bag of punto rojo weed. which at the time was some of the strongest shit around. he planted a few, the rest is history.
peace/hh
sorry
happyhi,
a punto rojo seed..what does that mean? a punto rojo female that was crossed to a mexican male and then the hybrid was breed to itself for the duration of it´s existence?
Or was it just a colombian x colombian?
I´m a bit confused,sorry
Cool post,and unless Sam says otherwise,that´s some great great info
thx
sorry for not being specific enough, it all started with a few seeds found in a bag of punto rojo weed. which at the time was some of the strongest shit around. he planted a few, the rest is history.
peace/hh
joaquin386
Active member
Thanks for giving that info happyhi on those old times. You brought some light on the issue.
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Dalaihempy
Hi Gypsy well thats fine but maybe wheel your sward with fairness and not just wheel it to silence.
I have no problem with you Gypsy i always got on with you even way back in og days and cw days way before you even got involved in running sites like this wen others trashed you i did not always treated you with respect but saying that you want to ban me well maybe i will just delet and leve trust me mate i dont want to be part of a community that is not wanting me to be there or do i want to be part of a community that i have lost respect for fact is Gypsy you have some idear of what neville has done and you know shanti as i do on a personal level and yet you sit back and not say a thing when they bash neville why is that why becouse sam is here now. common mate.
I dont hate sam but he sure hates neville yet why is it when sam last sed that neville stole my lines yada yada and shanti came in and posted basicly to sam and sed neville went collected lots of genetics and how does any one know wat neville did or were neville went to collect genetics or any of nevilles personal life or travels sam stoped backed off no offence Gypsy but this sort of stuff only goes to discredit neville and mr nice in short.
No its not good clean fun your basicly rubbishing a guy that did a lot for this community and you are distorting the past efferts of a person you know little about or what he infact did.
I had a go at roco please roco is a big boy if he posts a replie to me i have a right to replie to him who are you his mother.
I dont hate brits im infact dateing one the only racist here is you and your comment about all australians loveing to fight and the rest is childish grow up and get over it seams you to are suffering from cannabis envy im woundering now who you infact are as you also seam to have a prob with neville and it shows in your posts.
I don´t know what you´re talking about...
"the invite only clics "
WTF does that mean?
btw,
I´m starting to believe that those A and C males are not HB Haze but Mullum Madness...that Old Thia...from cops source,that hit the streets of Melbourne in the late 60´s...LOL
you are a lier,sorry if the truth is ugly
Roco you do not want me to post about these secretive groups and clics you very well know what im talking about here you also hate neville tuff get over it his got and collected genetics done more than you could ever hope to and you keep growing ot1 line mate injoy it wen you want real haze then go find some be it tfd sams vertion or nevilles.
You guys are childish and its clear as day and act like little bullys that like to gang up and go off crying wen you get a nose bleed lol fact is you lot all suffer cannabis envy can not handle what neville has achived and did you know i my self never met neville friend did but fact is he deserves more respect than you lot are showing him in this post and this all started at the time ot1 line showed iup funny that.
Seeds speek for them selfs quolity of product is what counts not what you lot say or what i do in short.
If i do get banned was a pleasure but if i get banned think a few others in here should to.
Anyone else think hempy has mental issues? lol
4. green/brown- this plant had the most incense smell and was probably the most like old school high altitude mexican. i can't remember how the taste was different except that it was old school tasting, not as sweet more musky.
These memories are old as am i, so my apologies if they aren't as descriptive as some.
THANKYOU SOO VERY MUCH
i been waiting for that for a long time thank for the blast from the past
momma always said dont be afraid to ask questions
very interesting to hear of incense trait in ohaze now being a fact proof in da pudding
id lov to hear any more details that come to mind , happy hi id lov to smoke out n hear som of your haze stories
my man i asked along time ago n you didnt mention incense till now but wat a great time to announce it .
TO ALL THOSE WHO THOUGHT I WAS BLOWIN SMOKE ABOUT NYC HAZE n ingnored n didnt consider my thoughts
again wow incense reported in the original id lov to hear any more info on 4
wit the comparison to mexican would you say a Highland Oaxaca
confused as to the original abit as you say purple was 1 n sams says the original was his fav but he refers to green ?
how bout your current sams ohaze of wat stock line is it ?
1luvbigherb
These memories are old as am i, so my apologies if they aren't as descriptive as some.
THANKYOU SOO VERY MUCH
i been waiting for that for a long time thank for the blast from the past
momma always said dont be afraid to ask questions
very interesting to hear of incense trait in ohaze now being a fact proof in da pudding
id lov to hear any more details that come to mind , happy hi id lov to smoke out n hear som of your haze stories
my man i asked along time ago n you didnt mention incense till now but wat a great time to announce it .
TO ALL THOSE WHO THOUGHT I WAS BLOWIN SMOKE ABOUT NYC HAZE n ingnored n didnt consider my thoughts
again wow incense reported in the original id lov to hear any more info on 4
wit the comparison to mexican would you say a Highland Oaxaca
confused as to the original abit as you say purple was 1 n sams says the original was his fav but he refers to green ?
how bout your current sams ohaze of wat stock line is it ?
1luvbigherb
Incense type smells are also common in Colombian lines, particularly the highland golds. If have has both Mexican and Colombian genes in it then it makes sense that there is an incense smelling pheno.
Just me 2 cents, or as you Brits say 2 pence (and it actually is)... Don't ban hempy. Discussion is good (if it's civil and I believe it is now) and we need that around here Gypsy... OG had it (some level of free expression ya know), and it's obvious hempy isn't a troll, opinionated yes, a troll no...
)... Don't ban hempy. Discussion is good (if it's civil and I believe it is now) and we need that around here Gypsy... OG had it (some level of free expression ya know), and it's obvious hempy isn't a troll, opinionated yes, a troll no...
Hempy is the biggest troll icmag has now hands down...He's constantly bad mouthing strains he admits he's never even grown or smoked before...What a joke!..I've seen him come in and ruin threads with his hate a few times and its getting pretty old now..Hempy has done alot for the community and has been around a long time but that doesnt give him the right to be a troll hater that ruins threads!.....I think Gypsy made a good call to call out Hempy and put him in his place!....~ogr
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Cinderella99
Sorry, hemp...
"...Hi Gypsy well thats fine but maybe wheel your sward with fairness and not just wheel it to silence...."
Translation: "Hi Gypsy. Well, that's fine, but maybe you should wield your sword with fairness and not just wield it to win the silence..."
Like Agine instead of Again...It's amazing...it appears as a conscious effort to misspell...I mean, there's nothing even remotely phonetic about it. Never mind the contradictions after translation...
But yes...Save hempy--don't ban...I think that GN was joking
"...Hi Gypsy well thats fine but maybe wheel your sward with fairness and not just wheel it to silence...."
Translation: "Hi Gypsy. Well, that's fine, but maybe you should wield your sword with fairness and not just wield it to win the silence..."
Like Agine instead of Again...It's amazing...it appears as a conscious effort to misspell...I mean, there's nothing even remotely phonetic about it. Never mind the contradictions after translation...
But yes...Save hempy--don't ban...I think that GN was joking
Hi team.
Well I have had a change of heart with my grow decision.
For my own curiosity, and so there is a comparison between these strains by someone who has grown them all, I've decided to go with:
MNS Nevilles Haze.
TFD Original Haze.
Tom Hill Haze - when they become available.
OT1 Haze - when they become available.
Will post pictures and smoke reports after grow/cure/smoke.
See you then...
JKD
Well I have had a change of heart with my grow decision.
For my own curiosity, and so there is a comparison between these strains by someone who has grown them all, I've decided to go with:
MNS Nevilles Haze.
TFD Original Haze.
Tom Hill Haze - when they become available.
OT1 Haze - when they become available.
Will post pictures and smoke reports after grow/cure/smoke.
See you then...
JKD
Be nice if you could track down some Mullumbimbi Madness to add to the Haze growshow, see if there is a similarity.
I now hear that the Neville's Haze is not even real Haze? lol that was a good one , some people here have a great sense of humor
Sam never mentioned he found the Haze in the hybrids like SSH & NH to not be real Haze..He never questioned the authenticity of Nev's/Shanti's Haze genetics.Infact according to Sam these hybrids use Haze that Neville got directly from him.. Sam has even posted that he likes Shanti's/Nev's Haze hybrids , NH and SSH . (although he prefers Haze in pure form and believes the high of these hybrids/is not exactly the same as pure Haze even if you select for the most hazy plants)
Don't you think if these hybrids were not using the real Haze which he is extremely familiar with..he would not be able to tell with a few decades of Haze experience on his back.. Bottomline..No matter how much some like to distort facts one thing is certain..For those that look for the best Hazes in the market today , MNS is one of the best options.
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Raco,
"a punto rojo seed..what does that mean? a punto rojo female that was crossed to a mexican male and then the hybrid was breed to itself for the duration of it´s existence? Or was it just a colombian x colombian?"
Happyhi,
thank you for all your contributions regarding the history of Haze.
I saw you got and grow the Neville's Haze from White Label.. I 'm sorry to be the messenger of bad news but the WL NH is far from the real version.Is a knock off and from what I 've seen from reports it grows nothing like the real deal which grows pretty much like a pure sativa and takes over 14-18weeks. Real NH was created by Neville and now available from Shantibaba / MrNiceSeeds who is the only one that holds the real parents. All the other versions are f2s at best..So if you get disappointed by the results and its not up to the expectations..don't blame the line. If you want the real NH that became a legend for its very long lasting trippy/psychedelic/giggly and extremely potent acid like high go with MNS NH. I would also recommend Mango Haze and La Nina. They all have haze phenos that will blow your socks off and bring that smile to your face. Reading your and Sam's descriptions I assure you that you will find most of the qualities you describe the Haze from the '70s had, in these hybrids. Good luck to your quest!
have fun
l33t
Sam never mentioned he found the Haze in the hybrids like SSH & NH to not be real Haze..He never questioned the authenticity of Nev's/Shanti's Haze genetics.Infact according to Sam these hybrids use Haze that Neville got directly from him.. Sam has even posted that he likes Shanti's/Nev's Haze hybrids , NH and SSH . (although he prefers Haze in pure form and believes the high of these hybrids/is not exactly the same as pure Haze even if you select for the most hazy plants)
Don't you think if these hybrids were not using the real Haze which he is extremely familiar with..he would not be able to tell with a few decades of Haze experience on his back.. Bottomline..No matter how much some like to distort facts one thing is certain..For those that look for the best Hazes in the market today , MNS is one of the best options.
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Raco,
"a punto rojo seed..what does that mean? a punto rojo female that was crossed to a mexican male and then the hybrid was breed to itself for the duration of it´s existence? Or was it just a colombian x colombian?"
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Happyhi,
thank you for all your contributions regarding the history of Haze.
I saw you got and grow the Neville's Haze from White Label.. I 'm sorry to be the messenger of bad news but the WL NH is far from the real version.Is a knock off and from what I 've seen from reports it grows nothing like the real deal which grows pretty much like a pure sativa and takes over 14-18weeks. Real NH was created by Neville and now available from Shantibaba / MrNiceSeeds who is the only one that holds the real parents. All the other versions are f2s at best..So if you get disappointed by the results and its not up to the expectations..don't blame the line. If you want the real NH that became a legend for its very long lasting trippy/psychedelic/giggly and extremely potent acid like high go with MNS NH. I would also recommend Mango Haze and La Nina. They all have haze phenos that will blow your socks off and bring that smile to your face. Reading your and Sam's descriptions I assure you that you will find most of the qualities you describe the Haze from the '70s had, in these hybrids. Good luck to your quest!
have fun
l33t
happyhi
Member
yes
yes
no question about it, but he is entertaining! particularly his
english!
peace/hh
yes
no question about it, but he is entertaining! particularly his
english!
peace/hh
happyhi
Member
nh
nh
133t- many thanks for your reply, truly appreciate the help. funny you should say that as i have what are supposed to be two NH varieities one from white label and the other from i think greenhouse
it came in a circular pack and were supposed to be feminized.
I got one keeper from greenhouse and one from white label
and they both look pretty weak to be honest.
OJD's that are getting close to finishing look stellar!
i initially ordered a bunch of expensive seeds when i got back into it and was really bummed that they didn't pop. GN was EXTREMELY gracious as were a few other members of the community and gifted me some things that are really exciting.
as i've mentioned before i dropped out after '81 and just returned to my calling three years ago once i felt i could do it legally, thank god!
the help and good vibes i have gotten from this community has been one of the highlights of my day, so, thanks for that to all!
i will be ordering some of the NH and the others you suggest as i am still searching for that jaw hurting laughter. but tell me truthfully are the mns nh seeds worth 110 pounds for 15 seeds?
thanks 10 plus bucks a seed, i don't mind shelling it out if it is
really that special.
love all the stories, just hearing them and telling them reminds just how lucky we all our to have this herb in our lives, it's magic!
peace/hh
nh
133t- many thanks for your reply, truly appreciate the help. funny you should say that as i have what are supposed to be two NH varieities one from white label and the other from i think greenhouse
it came in a circular pack and were supposed to be feminized.
I got one keeper from greenhouse and one from white label
and they both look pretty weak to be honest.
OJD's that are getting close to finishing look stellar!
i initially ordered a bunch of expensive seeds when i got back into it and was really bummed that they didn't pop. GN was EXTREMELY gracious as were a few other members of the community and gifted me some things that are really exciting.
as i've mentioned before i dropped out after '81 and just returned to my calling three years ago once i felt i could do it legally, thank god!
the help and good vibes i have gotten from this community has been one of the highlights of my day, so, thanks for that to all!
i will be ordering some of the NH and the others you suggest as i am still searching for that jaw hurting laughter. but tell me truthfully are the mns nh seeds worth 110 pounds for 15 seeds?
thanks 10 plus bucks a seed, i don't mind shelling it out if it is
really that special.
love all the stories, just hearing them and telling them reminds just how lucky we all our to have this herb in our lives, it's magic!
peace/hh
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Sativa_Grows
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