"HEMPEROR"
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ok G,B i decided im half way through so ill go the rest just out of interest, thanks for your knowledge and exp, always appreciated.
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International Clone Only cuts in the UK
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Hey fellers... I know you guys all talk openly about UK cuts here on the boards but I was curious to know whats it like "on the streets" where you're from?
The reason I ask is, I have an old mate in Liverpool area who's been growing for 10 years+ and when I asked him why he doesnt run livers, he told me he'd never heard of it..
So I asked if he'd heard of blues and he said no, he hadnt heard of that either... the only UK cut that he does know and run is Exo cheese, so I asked him if he knows about the other cheese cuts ..brightside, suicide, psychosis, nelly etc.. he said no... he thought there was only one real cheese.. not only that but it's all people ever ask for round his way.
Now, I know half the reason for this is coz he's a bit old school and doesnt use internet boards (I been trying to get him on here for years) but Im shocked and amazed that someone I know to be "cool and not at all a muppet" has never been properly educated in cuts going around the UK, some of which are from his own city...kinda bonkers no?
Is it really still as guarded as it used to be in the UK in terms of exchange of info? Since I've been coming here to ic, I got the impression that its much more open and that people are helping each other out with good equipment tips and sharing knowledge.. but is that just on here then? Living in NL has given me a warped sense of what the scene is like at home these days.. in some ways I think UK is over taking Holland in terms of attitude... if anything, we're going backwards here (see new laws of march 1st - all the grow shops here closing down, seed comps not sending in Holland anymore..meantime, in UK they cant open growshops fast enough).
So is it only close friends and growers that know about these other UK cuts or are they common knowledge where you live?
(please note, I'm just curious to know whats up at home, I'm not asking for anything other than info, I have everything I need right here and my mate doesn't even know what these other cuts are and is happy as anything with his cheese..lol)
The reason I ask is, I have an old mate in Liverpool area who's been growing for 10 years+ and when I asked him why he doesnt run livers, he told me he'd never heard of it..
So I asked if he'd heard of blues and he said no, he hadnt heard of that either... the only UK cut that he does know and run is Exo cheese, so I asked him if he knows about the other cheese cuts ..brightside, suicide, psychosis, nelly etc.. he said no... he thought there was only one real cheese.. not only that but it's all people ever ask for round his way.
Now, I know half the reason for this is coz he's a bit old school and doesnt use internet boards (I been trying to get him on here for years) but Im shocked and amazed that someone I know to be "cool and not at all a muppet" has never been properly educated in cuts going around the UK, some of which are from his own city...kinda bonkers no?
Is it really still as guarded as it used to be in the UK in terms of exchange of info? Since I've been coming here to ic, I got the impression that its much more open and that people are helping each other out with good equipment tips and sharing knowledge.. but is that just on here then? Living in NL has given me a warped sense of what the scene is like at home these days.. in some ways I think UK is over taking Holland in terms of attitude... if anything, we're going backwards here (see new laws of march 1st - all the grow shops here closing down, seed comps not sending in Holland anymore..meantime, in UK they cant open growshops fast enough).
So is it only close friends and growers that know about these other UK cuts or are they common knowledge where you live?
(please note, I'm just curious to know whats up at home, I'm not asking for anything other than info, I have everything I need right here and my mate doesn't even know what these other cuts are and is happy as anything with his cheese..lol)
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Morning JS. I'll get the that PM in a moment!
When I mentioned GG#4 to a punter, he said he'd heard of it, but he was the only one. I think most people are oblivious to the 'UK' strains. I tell them what I have and they say "yeah like it" or "prefer blah blah blah". The more commercial strains are well know, but I don't think people in my area know that there are clone only strains that go around. Most the people I know grow from seed and don't even take cuts from their own plants citing it's too much hassle to clone. Just my experience around my area with my associates.
When I mentioned GG#4 to a punter, he said he'd heard of it, but he was the only one. I think most people are oblivious to the 'UK' strains. I tell them what I have and they say "yeah like it" or "prefer blah blah blah". The more commercial strains are well know, but I don't think people in my area know that there are clone only strains that go around. Most the people I know grow from seed and don't even take cuts from their own plants citing it's too much hassle to clone. Just my experience around my area with my associates.
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darkhorse
L.V.P.K
Tutti Fruitti
Cheese, exodus & Brightside.
Tutti Fruitti
Cheese, exodus & Brightside.
Sounds correct Ganja Babba, I have heard EM preach this too and I did try it, but just go's against what were doing indoors with forced photoperiod. Without reducing lighting diurnally/nocturnally your not achieving what they do in these equatorial places..
Unlocking trait's.... Providing that they are there after selective breeding for some considerable time..
Light movement and spectrum plays much more of a role indoors than this photoperiod manipulation ..
This is another horticultural situation where the optimum for cost and production is valued as 12/12.. And with soil & pots vegging longer is likely to cause poor fertility late into bloom using the standard pots used for 12/12 cultivation. Coco/Hydro it won't matter so much..
You ain't gonna flower a pure types in a long days..
10 - on 14 off with longer flowering natural types is going to give more yield as the plant has more time to respire being beasted under lamps as they are not selectively bred for a consistent 12/12.. Most cannabis plants available use Cryptochrome naturally under perfect conditions to determine the reproductive phase and circadian rhythms.
Turn that gene off and these auto's are yielding more than what regular plants are doing, with Tri's you fill the canopy with some extra limbs per inch...
Most the dutch IBL stuff or rather 'Produced in Holland' from back in the day will grow different for sure in altered photoperiods because they were created with the 12 /12 in mind...
Unlocking trait's.... Providing that they are there after selective breeding for some considerable time..
Light movement and spectrum plays much more of a role indoors than this photoperiod manipulation ..
This is another horticultural situation where the optimum for cost and production is valued as 12/12.. And with soil & pots vegging longer is likely to cause poor fertility late into bloom using the standard pots used for 12/12 cultivation. Coco/Hydro it won't matter so much..
You ain't gonna flower a pure types in a long days..
10 - on 14 off with longer flowering natural types is going to give more yield as the plant has more time to respire being beasted under lamps as they are not selectively bred for a consistent 12/12.. Most cannabis plants available use Cryptochrome naturally under perfect conditions to determine the reproductive phase and circadian rhythms.
Turn that gene off and these auto's are yielding more than what regular plants are doing, with Tri's you fill the canopy with some extra limbs per inch...
Most the dutch IBL stuff or rather 'Produced in Holland' from back in the day will grow different for sure in altered photoperiods because they were created with the 12 /12 in mind...
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ganjygav
Where I live the only cuts that are ever available I know of is cheese & lemon. Nobody could even tell me what cheese or lemon it is. It's just cheese or lemon. I've heard of livers but never seen or smoked let alone grown it. For my 1st ever grow I did manage to get 2 cuts of white cheese which at the time was clone only. Since I've been stuck growing seeds because I just can't find decent cuts in east Anglia. I look on this thread green with envy lol
bang on mate, he has one or two outlets and has a good amount of grey on his bonnet lol
but I'm with you, that he never even heard of any of them? it's crazy to me.. although I think that's because I come here and read some much good open info.
hehehe...at least where you live there is more than one kind
I think the other reason my views are so distorted is I've been living in Holland for 15 years and here names are always bandied about coz they get "press" in the coffeeshops, that way even casual users have heard of OG Kush, Amnesia Haze, Chocolope etc...
Should point out that when I left the Wales, no one was sharing info, cuts or anything else for that matter, back then it was a very very closed scene...
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ganjygav
hehehe...at least where you live there is more than one kind
I think the other reason my views are so distorted is I've been living in Holland for 15 years and here names are always bandied about coz they get "press" in the coffeeshops, that way even casual users have heard of OG Kush, Amnesia Haze, Chocolope etc...
Should point out that when I left the Wales, no one was sharing info, cuts or anything else for that matter, back then it was a very very closed scene...
It's still very guarded where I am,I live in small town. I've grown both the lemon and cheese cuts that are available here and they stink a bit much for my liking. The largest amount of plants I've grown was 9 cheese cuts and my whole street stunk for 3 weeks. Never again lol. I've heard of hundreds of names but mostly because my face is buried in seed bank sites. I only know 2 other people who grow local and they grow same cuts over and over,I like growing something different every time so seeds is the only way for me.
lmfao @ stinking out the whole street... I only grew real exo cheese once, had 2 cuts and fair play they fkn reeked.. at the end it was properly rotten as well.. I thought summat had gone wrong and I musta got root rot or something.. was putrid smelling.. nothing like the bud when it was dry, then it smelled like cheese again, but for a while there it just fkn stank summat awful... lmfao
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ganjygav
I had all the cheese cuts hanging up drying upstairs and I had got half way through a joint and my door knocked. I opened it with the joint hanging out of my mouth and there stood a police officer. SHIIIIIT SHIT SHIT lol. He was looking for the previous tennants,I told him I didn't know them or where they lived the whole time waiting for him to mention the smell and want to come in. He didn't mention it or even give me a funny look. For a week afterwards I was so paranoid that I was gonna wake to the door getting kicked in and losing my crop. Never happened,I must have got a police officer with no sense of smell or he just couldn't be bothered. I've since tried to grow low smelling strains only apart from last spring I grew skunk no1 and I don't know why I didn't expect that to stink.
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jaded1
Mum gooey,so damn frosty!
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ganjygav
^^ whats in that momma?
Most likely he's growing the Dank dank Jamie and these guys can't get weed like it anywhere else in Liverpool so that just say to him Grow that.. If you have cheese you don't need anything else.
Most the people I know can tell the difference between good weed and shit weed.. I know a grower near me that can't sell his weed in my area because his quality and attention to detail sucks as much as I have ever seen..
I honestly don't know how weed is grown so badly... The weed isn't doing it put it that way...
Anyhow..
The guys round these ways know taste and they know they like Psycho more than cheese co's the taste is better and the high is too. But they are not concerned with the difference in Psychosis and Psychoberry.. They will take the berry over the Psychosis.. (An ounce of berry is twice the size)
The consensus round this way with all the guys is when you have Psychoisis or berry why grow the other stuff????
But they will not complain when it's not there for them and they have to smoke the Cheese for a few weeks..
The complaints come when you grow OG kush and Chem dog and all that generic bland shit that tastes like crappy garlic bud and cheap shit..
The only thing that sells in decent amounts is the smelly stuff and The Amnesia..
Guys ain't interested in owt else..
They perhaps will take a bit of something new but will come back and wan't the proper old stuff.
Even that lemon sherbet taste from dam isn't a seller round here..
I'd only grow some new stuff if there was a back log of sellable stuff..
Cheese isn't hard to buy in kilos round this way.....
Sounds about exactly right Mate... He's been quietly doing his cheese for years and never had any bother getting rid or never had complaints about smell/flavour/potentcy... so I guess he never had any reason to even try anything else, just seems a bit odd to me
Being here in NL, the names go through the same hype thing as you see in US (sometimes the hype is imported from the US too ie: KushMania), sometimes it's hype on a name only other times it's hype because something is actually good (white choco, kali mist, the occasional nlxhaze that kind of thing) those tend to sell out quickly though or original mums get lost and you never see them again, only to hear lost souls walking the streets, asking everywhere they go.... "have you got the old Kali, mate?".
I spose the other thing that skews my view is that here, a dealer/coffeeshop will usually have a good few kinds, where as at home, you might be lucky if your guy has more than one.. so that one has to be everything in one package eh... it's more normal here that he'll have a couple of shit ones as well as a couple of decent strains..
I see that home is still a very different market to here then, but I hoped that with all that I read in this thread and the other UK sections about UK clone onlys and imported elites, that maybe there was a whole new class of conscientious, educated tokers out there... well actually, I see there is eh .. it's all you fellers that post in here at IC.. maybe some of us ain't so new anymore though hahaha.
cheers for the input everyone
Being here in NL, the names go through the same hype thing as you see in US (sometimes the hype is imported from the US too ie: KushMania), sometimes it's hype on a name only other times it's hype because something is actually good (white choco, kali mist, the occasional nlxhaze that kind of thing) those tend to sell out quickly though or original mums get lost and you never see them again, only to hear lost souls walking the streets, asking everywhere they go.... "have you got the old Kali, mate?".
I spose the other thing that skews my view is that here, a dealer/coffeeshop will usually have a good few kinds, where as at home, you might be lucky if your guy has more than one.. so that one has to be everything in one package eh... it's more normal here that he'll have a couple of shit ones as well as a couple of decent strains..
I see that home is still a very different market to here then, but I hoped that with all that I read in this thread and the other UK sections about UK clone onlys and imported elites, that maybe there was a whole new class of conscientious, educated tokers out there... well actually, I see there is eh .. it's all you fellers that post in here at IC.. maybe some of us ain't so new anymore though hahaha.
cheers for the input everyone
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jaded1
She's a mix of mex and lumbo gold,cambodian,maui and thai Gav
"HEMPEROR"
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^^^ the exact reason why the uk skunks will always be grown in my rooms, chems/diesels dawgs no one likes round our way so reason i dropped them. livers,psychosis,true blues,bubblegum,blueberry and any other skunky fruity stuff ppl rip your hands off for. fact is uk skunks piss on anything else imho of course all subjective but they never let me down.
ps, ther psychoberry was the weakist of the bunch tho but still nice.
Yeah the berry is weak potency Hemp although it has the vigour none the other have, it's more hard, you could neglect a bunch of plants for ages and the berry is the most full of luster and green in colour when you do return. It seems to grow more biomass by volume but weigh less and use less nutriment.. Weird Shit...
it's not subjective. It's Personal preference unless your Mrs won't let you grow cheese or your paranoid you neighbours will grass you up.. Me I don't give a fuck!!!
it's not subjective. It's Personal preference unless your Mrs won't let you grow cheese or your paranoid you neighbours will grass you up.. Me I don't give a fuck!!!
Imo this is what's embarrasing about the whole UK seen it stalled years ago and we have been going round in circles ever since. People gas cheese and blues up to be some sort of holy grail but in reality they have become the default entry level buget council astate weed of choice, there nothing new or exciting but yes it will sell. The new generation of smokers have grown up thinking them are the only strains of weed that exist.
For me growing cheese or blue's is pointless the commercial growers got that shit locked down. I can get a kilo of each dropped off at the front door right now so why would I waste my time growing the same thing the next man is already bring to the table? Also that's why my stuff goes for a much higher price because it boutique for the connoisseur.
Over the last year I've noticed a trend in some of the best cheese and blue's I've seen getting knock back for haze's (slh, ssh, ch, amnesia and even imported amnesia) for a higher price.
This isn't a dig at anyone just my opinion. Also I use the term cheese and blue's loosely to describe any of the related cut as they all get past on as the same thing around my way.
For me growing cheese or blue's is pointless the commercial growers got that shit locked down. I can get a kilo of each dropped off at the front door right now so why would I waste my time growing the same thing the next man is already bring to the table? Also that's why my stuff goes for a much higher price because it boutique for the connoisseur.
Over the last year I've noticed a trend in some of the best cheese and blue's I've seen getting knock back for haze's (slh, ssh, ch, amnesia and even imported amnesia) for a higher price.
This isn't a dig at anyone just my opinion. Also I use the term cheese and blue's loosely to describe any of the related cut as they all get past on as the same thing around my way.
GlandualFever
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I use the terms supermarket puff for cheese and lemon, coz thats the best place to get em.
Ive grown 2 distinct cuttings of Lemon. One the Super Lemon Haze, the other just straight Lemon Haze (The name i was told) but it defo was more floral, and tangier in taste than the SLH. Ive only ever done Cheese once, that was exodus, and in NFT. Grew beautifully, but had to be hacked down in 1st week 12/12.
I defo think that UK skunk dominance is a BAD THING, and that the gene pool is far more diverse and has a lot more to offer than Indica Dom Sk hybrids. But trends are always gonna be there. I think its the fast finishing types that can produce that tickle a mans fancy when he is risking his liberty to cultivate in the first place.
The Kush hype, the haze hype, Diesel hype, etc, come and go everywhere. It seems Skunks, like the Cheese, the Blues, Livers, etc are a fact of UK clone and breeding scene. UGORG created their whole brand around it. Thats why its great seeing people like OJD do his thing, purely based on what he likes and wants to see on the market.
I wanna see more imports tbh. Thats where everyone remembers their fav smokes, be it Jamaican, Thai, Colombian, Swazi, Afghan, Red Leb, etc. OUTDOOR IMPORT IS SORELY MISSED!!
Ive grown 2 distinct cuttings of Lemon. One the Super Lemon Haze, the other just straight Lemon Haze (The name i was told) but it defo was more floral, and tangier in taste than the SLH. Ive only ever done Cheese once, that was exodus, and in NFT. Grew beautifully, but had to be hacked down in 1st week 12/12.
I defo think that UK skunk dominance is a BAD THING, and that the gene pool is far more diverse and has a lot more to offer than Indica Dom Sk hybrids. But trends are always gonna be there. I think its the fast finishing types that can produce that tickle a mans fancy when he is risking his liberty to cultivate in the first place.
The Kush hype, the haze hype, Diesel hype, etc, come and go everywhere. It seems Skunks, like the Cheese, the Blues, Livers, etc are a fact of UK clone and breeding scene. UGORG created their whole brand around it. Thats why its great seeing people like OJD do his thing, purely based on what he likes and wants to see on the market.
I wanna see more imports tbh. Thats where everyone remembers their fav smokes, be it Jamaican, Thai, Colombian, Swazi, Afghan, Red Leb, etc. OUTDOOR IMPORT IS SORELY MISSED!!
