International Clone Only cuts in the UK

[Green81]

Tried all of that with my stardawg cut. Outside for 3 months, fast cloning. I believe the problem is a pathogen that's forever weaken that particular cut. It's going in the bin

 

[Mate Dave]

E rick can i ask you wot you meant by fast cloning when tying to eradicate disease? a friend if mine is trying to save his starfighter cut that keeps going downhill at 5 weeks bloom onwards hitting major deficiencys for no apparant reason, nothing else in the same grow does it so nothing he is doing wrong. can you explain plz taa

The plant is probably shit..

Nevil says that plants from the natural world once limited to the scope of a HPS/CMH or LED's have a shit fit.

They wonder what the crap source of light is who the fucjk is the grower and what's with the horrible feed regime.

I suggest that the cutting has inadequate roots and tracheids to sufice the growth, that or it's not got the brix.

Do a test Hemperor as that would tell you how crap it is...

Cloning or rather cuttings of meristematic tissue is what Rick is suggesting. Somethinmg The Skunkman also suggests and I higly recomend. It is not a clone.. Only a cutting.. Clones are always in vitro..

Send it to Chimera then he can help you with that.

The mitosis that coccours in the tips is fastest and outgrows the Defector/effecter gene causeing problems..

But if it's become Latent your fucked.. There is no Bayer to help this..

Nevil lost many superiour plants to epigenetic shift which occours most rapidly from the natural to indoor and can happen if the traits are not selected for in the unique environment..

You wan't organic soil and No Chems at all.

They will not help, NaCl is probably the cause as it's poison to plant cells and the nucleus..

I think Hydro is a poor cultivation method. Soil is far superiour in every way.

In the natural range for genetics to reach their potential it can only be done in soil and outdoors..

Their isn't a hydro tank in the world that can keep up with a soil bed...

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Lads, look up and read about Tissue Culture, you will get rid of any variation from mother plants, ie any genetic drift will be elimated, think of a reset button, and cuts will be pest and disease free, etc.

Tried all of that with my stardawg cut. Outside for 3 months, fast cloning. I believe the problem is a pathogen that's forever weaken that particular cut. It's going in the bin

Green, are you growing the Illuminati cut of Star Dawg?

 

[Mate Dave]

That Illuminati came with Broad mites and the other clones.. The source of the Broad mite epodemic was a farm in the US that was using them as a biological controll of another pest...

There's a talk on Youtube with the Kushman and some others who moved grows from the area once this was discovered..

The Yanks showed their poor cultivation skills and polluted the UK growrooms sending with them fuckers...

OVIPOSITION TRIALS POSITIVE FOR SWIRSKII
The results of the oviposition trials showed that A. swirskii can reproduce when fed exclusively on broad mites. The females laid on average 1.2 eggs per day. When A. swirskii feed on other prey such as thrips or on pollen, they produce slightly more eggs, which means that broad mites might not be their optimal prey, but are still a good enough food source for their survival and persistence.

The greenhouse trial on sweet pepper compared the efficacy of A. swirskii for broad mite control to three other treatments:
Another commonly used predatory mite – N. cucumeris.
An Avid® (Syngenta Crop Protection, Inc.) foliar spray.
A non-treated control (Figure 2a).
- See more at: http://www.greenhousecanada.com/inputs/biocontrols/september-2010-2417#sthash.l5hasPZs.dpuf

 

[Piff Rhys Jones]

Lads, look up and read about Tissue Culture

Yo HGO how you doing man?

I always assumed tissue culture was something you'd need a serious lab to be successful with. Have you ever had a go at it?

Peace

 

[Timm]

Broad mites are also used to control weeds on highways and roadsides in some US states

It's also worth noting that starfighter is a heavily inbred strain along with most of those US strains. Probably just shit weak genetics like gg4

 

[Mate Dave]

I have done micro propagation @ work experience. They didn't let me get into the fine practical stuff because I wasn't trained. It's much easier then getting success on grafts and pay's much less than rose budders.

I hear that you can do it in margarine and don't need agar..

Honestly though I don't fancy being caught with that kinda sophisticated setup here in the UK.

Unless you can find a totipotent cell your going to struggle.. Without a Pa1 and a Pa2 and a registered company you can't buy what you need to achive it..

So no it cannot be done well untrained and un qualified.. Theoretically you can get the potions and the lab gear..

Playing with plants without a clue what to do is pissing into the wind..


The bit I need explaing to me is how can you clone past a virus that has effected the Nucleus, surely the cells used will still continue to mutate from an effector....

Remember Dutch elm and Chalara fraxinea, well you can't prevent that shit so why will it work in cannabis...

 

[Green81]

Lads, look up and read about Tissue Culture, you will get rid of any variation from mother plants, ie any genetic drift will be elimated, think of a reset button, and cuts will be pest and disease free, etc.




Green, are you growing the Illuminati cut of Star Dawg?

Yes brother the same cut, went out to live in Surrey for 3 months, cuttings were taken from the newest growth and then brought back, suffice to say it hasn't worked. I have here finishing week 9 at the moment and buds are 1/10th of the size compared to the other ladies.

 

[Mate Dave]

13 sucessive generations are needed of recultured cultures in micropropagation to render Hermaphroditism invalid and perhaps remove disease/virus/bacteria if it can be done.. Hopefully it gets them to the purest healthiest state..

Useless for someone without degraded stock..

They say it's the only way to make 10,000+ clones a month.. Really they talk a lot of shit...

Clearly these wankers haven't worked a commercial grade facility.. 400 cuttings a day is a piece of piss.. We had to do 10,000 units whilst on work experience. It takes a few people all day..

Clones or cuttings are unlimited if space allows.. This tech is for 1 man bands, it removes space that you once had with mums.. Frees up time.

Not effective if your legal, without disease, and have skill as a gardener why run higher costs, do plants and cultivation tech not work in this day and age or something

They reckon 24000kw on mothers is needed for the same a 1k in vitro..

Me personally I'd flip the 24k rooms.. Every day.. Wankers.

 

["HEMPEROR"]

fast cloning is the term I use for a method of "out growing" pathogens, and other nastiest,,,

sounds like your star fighter is going though a lockout issue. maybe it has a dislike to p/k when the others don't have the same issue,,, I see it happen when using high level p/k boosters. try adding cal/mag that should stop any issues with lockout caused by p/k

fast cloning ,,,,is where you root a clone quickly an get the fucker to grow then clone only the tips,,,rinse and repeat , (get her under a HPS and high EC veg feed asap.) veg super big and fast,,,then clone only the tips of the highest part,,,pathogens and other nasties will be more present in the lower parts of the plant,,,then do it again. and again, and again...eventually you will out run any nasties. combined with neem oil, an some other sprays or treatment you can get back any original phenotype

your Starfighter could have one or many issues.but id guess its lockout from the sounds of it. caused by excessive pk,,try the cal/mag,,also id use fast cloning and switch to NFT ,,make sure you have no toxicity issue. its possible you have a toxicity buildup or nutrient is not ionicaly balanced but

sounds like the the Starfighter is the only one that's not coping flowering food, try the cal/mag,,,read up on how pk can cause lock out and cal/mag can solve it. ,,balance your nutes using NFT ,,remember NFT give a sterile environment and lets you flush the whole rootzone properly ,,,,, fast clone, remove all non food grade plastics,,,i think that's the best advice going,,,i think

try using Chelated Minerals too,,,

thanks ill look into all those suggestions. cherez

 

[Mate Dave]

thanks ill look into all those suggestions. cherez

If you can't fix it with proper cultivation/grow it better. Try some real science and see if that helps..

 

["HEMPEROR"]

If you can't fix it with proper cultivation/grow it better. Try some real science and see if that helps..

grow it better GOOD one nuttin wrong wiv my cultivation brother maybe i should grow my next crop see if turns out as good as your last cheese run lol

 

[Mate Dave]

I'm on about the nutes.. They don't always help Bro learn the science behind osmosis and you'll do ok for it..

You lost yourself Hemp. I was agreeing with you but your ego don't allow for collateral. I though you understood that micro prop was not the way to go because you knew it was a fools errand. But you've shown your true colours more than once..

By the way that cheese is mome of the best I have tasted...

I'll send you a sample.. Send me some of yours...

I wasn't dissn your style but you couldn't understand that bit either I see..

 

["HEMPEROR"]

I'm on about the nutes.. They don't always help Bro learn the science behind osmosis and you'll do ok for it..

You lost yourself Hemp. I was agreeing with you but your ego don't allow for collateral. I though you understood that micro prop was not the way to go because you knew it was a fools errand. But you've shown your true colours more than once..

By the way that cheese is mome of the best I have tasted...

I'll send you a sample.. Send me some of yours...

I wasn't dissn your style but you couldn't understand that bit either I see..

chill out dave im just jesting, no ego here mate one thing i have learned over the past few runs, less is better when it comes to additives, plain canna a+b pk, roots excell, great white, super thrive,drop of cal/mag dont need nowt else best runs ive done with that simple formula,,,,

 

[Mate Dave]

Always chilled Dude.. I use complete fertiliser. Addatives are just for tailoring specific pot requirements in my view.

I agree A+B is pukka I don't use rootz excell but I will get some in.

I use big bud... or Koolbloom MKP Superthrive.

Try a dash of MKP a week before flip and @ week 4. That's what i was told for fruiting crops in nursery work.. They didn't lie...

 

["HEMPEROR"]

same formula for the 98 jack in the iws tent from 2 weeks ago. gunna visit the grow in a bit ill show how there doin, looked great a few days ago,

 

[Mate Dave]

Gonna be big in there bro.


What's the Jack like? I want to follow the show dude if it's the pre 98 it's the 5ahz cut and an unknown male.. That cut the 5ahz is SSH and Deisel mum.

Should taste just pure mycrence as the male wasnt carrying the c male so there is no catpiss at all in origional Jack.

When Nev took his plants back from Ben @ sensi they perhaps didn't have backup mothers and full propagators... The NL5, g13 ect were gone before then and the Haze a disapeered from earlier raids...

The effect on Sensi stock lineage has been significant. They inbred some and lost taste and others may have shifted under the conditions Nev whitnessed on the begining of the Lamp era..

 

[Mate Dave]

Whoever created Deisel seeds couldn't stress test males. Rez's gear was epic crap with sex morphology, I swear he sold the opposite to Nev. He didn't refine used whatever was available and sold the seed that he didn't want!

The 5ahz mum was true female and came from NL#5 what couldn't be reversed... Ie it never hermied before bad treatment and bad males touched it..

I think Kali Mist is a combination of one of those old clones A or C.

Ask the duch heads bout the difference between C5&A5. I never grown them.. They are what won cups, in another class. The daudhters of these strains are said to be good but inferior to the parents..

They are the pinnacle..

 

["HEMPEROR"]

Gonna be big in there bro.


What's the Jack like? I want to follow the show dude if it's the pre 98 it's the 5ahz cut and an unknown male.. That cut the 5ahz is SSH and Deisel mum.

Should taste just pure mycrence as the male wasnt carrying the c male so there is no catpiss at all in origional Jack.

When Nev took his plants back from Ben @ sensi they perhaps didn't have backup mothers and full propagators... The NL5, g13 ect were gone before then and the Haze a disapeered from earlier raids...

The effect on Sensi stock lineage has been significant. They inbred some and lost taste and others may have shifted under the conditions Nev whitnessed on the begining of the Lamp era..

hey mate i dont gots a clue about the history, came from spain as 98 jack tis all i know except was told grows as an indica, and flowers as a sat dom? lets see hey.

 

["HEMPEROR"]

Broad mites are also used to control weeds on highways and roadsides in some US states

It's also worth noting that starfighter is a heavily inbred strain along with most of those US strains. Probably just shit weak genetics like gg4

you could possibly be right bro, not a keeper me thinks