International Clone Only cuts in the UK

[Mate Dave]

Theres been a tradition recently to select for THC and THCV more so in recent times because potency is or was up there at the moment in flowers. It's terpenes that get you most high, I think Sams research agrees with this.

So if A5 was a powerhouse resin horse and the other C5 with another 'Quality' and it only gets weaker/diluted from there bacause of inline pedigree, all other people looking for potency from that work now mainly select THCV/THC rich specimens with frost and no real effect longterm other than bag appeal. The produce a 'nik' use a padigree and borrow a doner from other females with genetics to contribute keeping things fresh always. Outcrossing produces better plants than incrossing. As long as there is some divergence it's ok with vigour.

The Duth law requires no THCV/THC strains to be available I think with 15% limit. Most lab results will be difficlt to see specimens of 28% like PK has, it's a pure hetro line from the old world with 40+ more years selection of the best females in 10,000 + in the field for more for superiour 'Kush hash plant's.' The dad was a pedigree male his dad before him was also of the pedigree.


Some of the hash you make isn't all the best from these THCV rich plants, that's why they mix goatskins I think in the old world to balance the stone they knew best!!!

Strains with CBD/CBN mendelin and THC/CBD which have more of a body stone are more medicinal and less psychoactive...

Plants selected for under varying circumstances changed the rules of nature in the plant world..

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Stardawg Illuminati cut defo didn't come infected with anything, I imported it 3 years ago and it was defo clean, as were the others, WD40, & The White.

I hear that broadmites are not a fan of heat treatment, a lad we all know wiped them out with heat treatment...still, I don't wana go and test it out lol

HGO

 

[Mate Dave]

I think that Colchicine will help breed plants with suitable adaption in these situations, you need meristem without the virus to cut.

So you treat the big plant to what I call a 'body wax'. She grows through this mutation inhibitor and you cut the stems and use phylo's to conclude the best plant to propagate without an effector. You may need a few thousand but we can do that as hobbyists..

This also works for createing unique sport pheno's. You take an Elite clone like cheese and instead of outcrossing and backcrossing you mutate it's ass so you get new 'Unique' phenotypes. These could hold the same progeny when crossed but offer uniqueness in their own phenotypical expression.


^^ You don't hear that every day but it works..

Send all the cheese cuts to Phylo's they will tell you who's got what and what's pure what's not..

My example with broad mites was just vague. You must be carefull with clone shipments, they could have been directly treated with nouxious chems that leave residuals within plant cells or the pests could have become tolerant and their saliva translocates into other cells effecting performance like PM virus.

A not so well known one.

Fact is, sap suckers will cause a shift in genetics. They cause loss in turgidity and thus degrade plant sap and health..

Broad mites live in Spidermight country. Same conditions.. Scalding water is effective as a bandaid.

 

[Timm]

Broad mites can be wiped out easy with a quick rotation of avid and forbid as a dip when they are small clones

Hey Mate Dave im curious.. are you trying to let everyone in this thread know what a smart and knowledgable man you are?lol

 

[Mate Dave]

Not really, just making things interesting from the usual dribble in here that talks of nothing intellectual.. It's a good thread but there is little info in it of use.. I've been doing research a long time and we can operate legally but it would cost about £22,000 a year for a no guarantee crop in travel ... I still say import cuts if they show superiority. Genetics = fastest route to success..

All the tech is available the land and legislation approved in all aspects @ various locations not allowing one factor to monopolise it.. The info is just not here...

There's nothing relatively new...

They still need us and the culture to gain diversity though

 

[englishrick]

Lads, look up and read about Tissue Culture, you will get rid of any variation from mother plants, ie any genetic drift will be elimated, think of a reset button, and cuts will be pest and disease free, etc.




Green, are you growing the Illuminati cut of Star Dawg?

I agree, tissue culture is definitely a reset button of sorts.

Quite a few people I know have done it now. Green in the thumb is a bloody master at that tech now. Love that guy!

 

[englishrick]

I like the name HUGO ,,hundred gram oz.

Isn't a 100g oz a Dutch ounce?

 

[Mate Dave]

I agree, tissue culture is definitely a reset button of sorts.

Quite a few people I know have done it now. Green in the thumb is a bloody master at that tech now. Love that guy!

What's he able to do with it Rick if you know? Proper tissue culture or just keep things alive.

I find he's uncomfortouble talking through his practices, I know it's unnefective for virus as a fact..

He just runs aroud hiding from questions giving skeptical uneducated answers..

I don't like him, trust him or belive him.. He need to express more to gain the trust.. I'd like to be a believer but I ain't.

He's been ran off this forum and Mr nice because he can't promote the science or offer support to his claims.

Much like when you tried to tell me how to breed 10 + years ago, that was some funny shit you came up with Rick.. Back then I told you about the 18 lines possible from 3 strains. How skunk was a poly of 1-1 with a minute backross to multiple mothers with farthers to hold it stable under tests.. Aparently Sam didn't make it.. Go back through the PM and read it again

I went and got educated because I was fed up with shit and lies from every source. Now I know how to do things best.. I was trained to do it.. I didn't read forums.

 

[englishrick]

Trust me you could learn a thing or 2 from him,,for anyone on his level ,,he's open as a book,,,glad you did some reading bro. Stick with it

 

[HappyHappy]

Damm you guys are dropping some knowledge in the last couple of pages.
Every day is a school day but i feel like i have been to late night college.
love reading this and learning a little bit but most goes over mystoner head but some stays in me head.haha.

 

[Mate Dave]

Thanks for your support Rick You 'knew the importance' of showing me quality information. Allard blew my mind.. I had to learn sommin to read that.. I knew nothing then but what I should trust..

I hold my friends dearly and count you as one. I wish we all had the top guidance and references to start out with.. It's most useful. It's a long ride the more we learn the less we know...

Albrecht was interesting but most interesting is learning myself now. Learn what works best from test's. "The law of return" I love gardening now and I found it a right struggle.. I still try one or two things to test principles and proove myself right..I am a self confessed genius when I put some time in. I see what I wanted to know fast... Or so I feel.

If GiTT can show me how to get the totipotent cell out the bit of the plant successfully because I know where it's @ it's logically. In the particular section it's on where to look but the 'cuts' are what I need to learn.. It's a success rate trial and error @ 1st. Like learning to T-bud or Graft or do anything.. It's Advanced propagation. When on work experience like @ college they set out the experiments/practical assignments where they provide all the implements. "Technicians job" They had the cells in slides there already 'preped' looking for something to confirm the presence on the 'Nucleus' I think perhaps. With all the things needed there ready for the practical. Like a Prop lessons. I listed everything photographed it and I have my list of how to set up on from my education. I'm not certain on the slide bit being necissary maybe that was kept clean or how they passed them to me frshly made 10 mins earlier, although they could have been frozen. You could put them into the different mediums depending on what your after.. Biological seed coatings are another matter but the 'equipment/apperatus' or whatever we called it in science class is all the same untill you refine you skill much like anything. Remeber that the 4-5 parts to an experiment, listing it top to botton, like cooking has methods ingreedients and a recipe, otherwise outcomes can be different.

It's a pice of piss once you can do it but it's closely guarded.. Like most information things in this game. This company I won't name, offer shit pay and the university was too expensive and i wanted a year out from study or 2, I was growing good money on trees @ the time actively.. Different story now I can get into any uni unconditionally I think, that's what my points tell me

Soil Science is perhaps 25 years old as a subject. That's where I may go with this, get a lab and do tests learn how to cut my expenses and not get middled on all the lab fees Cannabis is different here than the USA.

 

[truecannabliss]

Broad Mites came over on cuts i got back in 2011, nobody was clued up back then and despite quarantining and treating everything they still survived and caused major headaches.......it was such a nightmare to figure it out back then but eventually with a combination of heat, swarski mites and OG Bio War the issue was eradicated completely.
A lot of people mistook them for TMV, nutrient problems or some other issue. Hope no one is fighting this issue, its the worst.
Peace

 

[hazyfontazy]

I think that Colchicine will help breed plants with suitable adaption in these situations, you need meristem without the virus to cut.
.

Colchicine lol i just been given that for gout

talking off prescription drugs ,,anyone ever used thiamine as a b1 additive ?

 

[Mate Dave]

Colchicine lol i just been given that for gout

talking off prescription drugs ,,anyone ever used thiamine as a b1 additive ?

I've not tried it no. It's high in sulpher what isn't brilliant. But I'll try ferment some classically like Alfalfa.

The Triacontanol in that puffs up flowers and prevents botrytis.. Gives the impression of a bigger flower

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Broad Mites came over on cuts i got back in 2011, nobody was clued up back then and despite quarantining and treating everything they still survived and caused major headaches.......it was such a nightmare to figure it out back then but eventually with a combination of heat, swarski mites and OG Bio War the issue was eradicated completely.
A lot of people mistook them for TMV, nutrient problems or some other issue. Hope no one is fighting this issue, its the worst.
Peace

I think I remember that, was it the ECSD that came infected?

 

[lovelightpower]

some pics of my Purple Kush grow.

trying out the camera on a new phone.

Just posting this as it's an international cut.
Passed to me by Canadian clone fairy.
Had it a fair few years now, but never had a chance to flower enough of it to have an endless jar, always been a limited amount to some degree. Hopefully now I can smoke my fill.

 

[englishrick]

Broad Mites came over on cuts i got back in 2011, nobody was clued up back then and despite quarantining and treating everything they still survived and caused major headaches.......it was such a nightmare to figure it out back then but eventually with a combination of heat, swarski mites and OG Bio War the issue was eradicated completely.
A lot of people mistook them for TMV, nutrient problems or some other issue. Hope no one is fighting this issue, its the worst.
Peace

Have you ever wondered if we are fighting pathogens too...

I always seem to be cloning top tips and on nicely veged plants then after a while people say that there clones improve in my hands

 

[Ganja baba]

Tried all of that with my stardawg cut. Outside for 3 months, fast cloning. I believe the problem is a pathogen that's forever weaken that particular cut. It's going in the bin

Eagle 20 will kill the pathogen I'm sure just make sure you give the target plant 5 weeks then take a fresh cut and all should be fine , I've noticed some strains had issues I wasn't even aware of as they were old then after the eagle they seemed cured , worth a try if you don't want to get rid of a strain you love also should see off most insects as its systemic , again though it's last resort that works

 

[Mate Dave]

Have you ever wondered if we are fighting pathogens too...

I always seem to be cloning top tips and on nicely veged plants then after a while people say that there clones improve in my hands

Better cultivation.

 

[englishrick]

Eagle 20 will kill the pathogen I'm sure just make sure you give the target plant 5 weeks then take a fresh cut and all should be fine , I've noticed some strains had issues I wasn't even aware of as they were old then after the eagle they seemed cured , worth a try if you don't want to get rid of a strain you love also should see off most insects as its systemic , again though it's last resort that works

Hay G,,, I'm going to look closely at this pathogen subject at some point soon,,,good call on the E20 . I'm looking to deal with a friends broad mite issue soon. Going to order some Fukin spinosad and hit his shit with the hardest pesticides , growth regulators and systemics etc I can find,,I'm guessing a clean up on pathogens and a flush of systemics would be a nice finisher on the clone clean up


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